Coleman Shelton Signs with Rams

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I believe I read Dotson had to make some of the calls for Limmer during the season as he was getting up to speed.

I think the kid was just swimming in the deep end. And he may be able master the mental stuff, it just depends on his timeline.
The timeline is probably 2026. How fast can a freshman become a PhD?

Here is Snead's quote:

"...but I've often said he [Limmer] was a freshman and working amongst a bunch of PhD's. So there was an element where you missed, not necessarily in what he was doing, but in what the center does for other people."
 

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On Limmer:
The Rams’ center typically calls and sets the initial protection but Stafford has the power to supersede the call if he wants — an important detail especially in 2024 as the team went from former starter Coleman Shelton (who departed in free agency last spring) to second-year lineman Steve Avila, to rookie Beaux Limmer (with a Week 10 game in which veteran free-agent acquisition Jonah Jacksonplayed center, before the coaching staff moved back to Limmer). Stafford has played with four centers over the past calendar year.
Limmer, a sixth-round pick last spring, has secured his role as a starter. Stafford said that it remains Limmer’s responsibility to get up to speed on his calls (and to lean on guards Avila and Kevin Dotson for cross-checks), but against more complex or aggressive defenses, Limmer noted his appreciation that the veteran quarterback can take over:
2024, Week 8, Minnesota Vikings at Los Angeles Rams, :53 remaining in the first quarter, first-and-10
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After shifting Kupp inside, Stafford used multiple dummy counts. Broadcast microphones picked up his “ready-set-hut” — an actual count frequently starts with the word “turbo.” After noticing both overhang defenders jump, he knew the Vikings would blitz. Stafford “canned” the original call, meaning of the two plays McVay called into his headset, Stafford canceled the first play so the offense would run the second call.
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The second play was a pass, so Limmer wanted to slide the protection to the inside linebacker. Andrew Van Ginkel (No. 43) typically plays on the edge but on this play, he was inside, which likely alerted Limmer of the possibility that Van Ginkel could have been in that position to blitz.
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However, Stafford had a better read on the defense and adjusted the protection. Microphones captured it:
“Out to 22!”
Stafford’s call overruled the center and slid the protection out to safety Harrison Smith (No. 22).
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Stafford was correct: Smith blitzed while Van Ginkel dropped. Sometimes dropping non-traditional players out of certain exotic pressures leaves them vulnerable in coverage. Stafford attacked Van Ginkel, throwing to Nacua running a dig behind him.
“It gives me the most confidence,” Limmer said. “Obviously I’m a rookie this year, so coming in I didn’t know really anything about the offense. So if I ever make a wrong call or anything — I mean, he hears it right away and he’s flipping the protection or whatever it is. It gives me a lot of confidence not to make the wrong call, because he’s going to make it right if I do.”
 

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And the oline gets so few "real" reps in camp that it usually takes them the longest to jell every season (this is true for all the teams, not just us).
Maybe it just feels that way because we don't give a shit about the other teams? Lol......Yeah the limited reps in the preseason certainly don't help though
 

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I'm not sure why Shelton-for-Limmer is such a big deal to so many posters.
And we all know who they are. Shelton, by every measure is an upgrade AT THIS POINT over Limmer. It was obvious (to me) how much more coherent the Rams OL was with Shelton.

I hope Limmer raises his game and ultimately takes over the position, because that will mean the Rams get better, but I am fine if Shelton wins the starting gig for now.
 

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Maybe it just feels that way because we don't give a shit about the other teams? Lol......Yeah the limited reps in the preseason certainly don't help though
I'm sure there is something to your feeling that we typically start slow. While McVay is a trendsetter, there is a real cost to his method of not playing starters and key backups in preseason. That cost is you're going to start slower than you could.
 

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I'm sure there is something to your feeling that we typically start slow. While McVay is a trendsetter, there is a real cost to his method of not playing starters and key backups in preseason. That cost is you're going to start slower than you could.
in 2021 the rams started 7and 2
2020 5 and 2
2019 5 and 3
2018 8 and 0
2017 10 and 3
Up until after the SB win the Rams have always started out well. I think we can all agree the last 3 years have started out rough, but all those years things really stacked up against them or they were rebuilding.

I don't think not playing starters in preseason games cost the Rams anything.
 

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in 2021 the rams started 7and 2
2020 5 and 2
2019 5 and 3
2018 8 and 0
2017 10 and 3
Up until after the SB win the Rams have always started out well. I think we can all agree the last 3 years have started out rough, but all those years things really stacked up against them or they were rebuilding.

I don't think not playing starters in preseason games cost the Rams anything.
When did McVay start doing that? I don't believe he sat starters in his first few years coaching. But I'm going off the top of my head and could be wrong.
 

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And my point is they keep bringing players back that all of us can see, season after season, are below average players. Evans, Noteboom, Reeder, Rozeboom, now Shelton
It's fucking depressing.

And yet there we were in a very real position to beat the future SB champions. No one - and I mean NO ONE expected that - especially after a 1-4 start, yet there we were.

Hmmmmm. Maybe the Rams staff sees something in these players you guys don’t. Maybe they realize you can’t have it all.
 

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And yet there we were in a very real position to beat the future SB champions. No one - and I mean NO ONE expected that - especially after a 1-4 start, yet there we were.

Hmmmmm. Maybe the Rams staff sees something in these players you guys don’t. Maybe they realize you can’t have it all.
My whole point with Atwell has been very simple and it even applies to the Eagles game. If McVay saw so much potential in using Atwell then why did he get a whopping grand total of 0 snaps in that game. Make it make sense.
 

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My whole point with Atwell has been very simple and it even applies to the Eagles game. If McVay saw so much potential in using Atwell then why did he get a whopping grand total of 0 snaps in that game. Make it make sense.
It’s not up to me or you to make it make sense. All this second guessing and griping when the very people getting us to within a play or two from going to the NFCC happen to have a very different view of some of these players. Hell - in an ideal world, we’d just add and subtract players with impunity. We would never have anything but the best at their positions. We’d have only players the fans thought were worthy because the staff saw things the same way.

But the fact is that the Rams see things we don’t. They make moves and have motivations and don’t discuss them with us. They have plans that mostly work out but sometimes don’t. Gasp! They don't have the same perspective as the fans.

If they sucked at their jobs or even were mediocre, I’d probably see the point in constantly second guessing them or griping about their moves. But they are anything but mediocre.

None of this is simple. These guys are in a constant high stakes competition to get things right. Some moves are gambles. Some moves make no sense unless you are looking through their eyes.

It is what it is. And what it is is that we have a pretty great organization right now. And that organization keeps and trades away players for a myriad of reasons - reasons that generally work pretty damned well.
 

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It’s not up to me or you to make it make sense.
I think it is, as it pertains to the fact we post here to discuss these things, and these silly conversations being a reason many engage in message boards.
 

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I think it is, as it pertains to the fact we post here to discuss these things, and these silly conversations being a reason many engage in message boards.
Well that’s a stretch but ok…. Just seems like an odd exercise in futility and frustration.

Sure seems there are lots of things to talk about without the constant bitching and moaning about moves we can’t fully understand or control.
 

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It’s not up to me or you to make it make sense. All this second guessing and griping when the very people getting us to within a play or two from going to the NFCC happen to have a very different view of some of these players. Hell - in an ideal world, we’d just add and subtract players with impunity. We would never have anything but the best at their positions. We’d have only players the fans thought were worthy because the staff saw things the same way.

But the fact is that the Rams see things we don’t. They make moves and have motivations and don’t discuss them with us. They have plans that mostly work out but sometimes don’t. Gasp! They don't have the same perspective as the fans.

If they sucked at their jobs or even were mediocre, I’d probably see the point in constantly second guessing them or griping about their moves. But they are anything but mediocre.

None of this is simple. These guys are in a constant high stakes competition to get things right. Some moves are gambles. Some moves make no sense unless you are looking through their eyes.

It is what it is. And what it is is that we have a pretty great organization right now. And that organization keeps and trades away players for a myriad of reasons - reasons that generally work pretty damned well.
You know damned well how much I celebrated this season and wouldn't get negative at all about the lows and kept positive about where this team can go so don't go there with me on the bolded.

As for the rest I am pretty sure you yourself have said this board is for the very discussions you're telling me now not to do? Got it I'll never again question a free agent signing or draft pick.

All I've asked is somebody who is high on this signing to give me their reason for not using the guy last year except to cover injuries when McVay is talking this high on the guy. I don't get it but others apparently do and I'm asking for them to make it make sense. They talk about paying him for future production which makes no sense. If he was viewed so highly why sit him on the bench in your biggest game of they year. I'm hoping somebody can explain why it makes sense to them but so far nothing has any kind of reality to it.
 

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It’s not up to me or you to make it make sense. All this second guessing and griping when the very people getting us to within a play or two from going to the NFCC happen to have a very different view of some of these players. Hell - in an ideal world, we’d just add and subtract players with impunity. We would never have anything but the best at their positions. We’d have only players the fans thought were worthy because the staff saw things the same way.

But the fact is that the Rams see things we don’t. They make moves and have motivations and don’t discuss them with us. They have plans that mostly work out but sometimes don’t. Gasp! They don't have the same perspective as the fans.

If they sucked at their jobs or even were mediocre, I’d probably see the point in constantly second guessing them or griping about their moves. But they are anything but mediocre.

None of this is simple. These guys are in a constant high stakes competition to get things right. Some moves are gambles. Some moves make no sense unless you are looking through their eyes.

It is what it is. And what it is is that we have a pretty great organization right now. And that organization keeps and trades away players for a myriad of reasons - reasons that generally work pretty damned well.
Yes and no. The Rams have their reasons for the moves they make, but fans don't have to like them all.

I do think its best to try to understand the moves. For instance, when they signed Noteboom, they didn't have much of a choice. Going into the draft without a left tackle is risky and he just had his most successful stretch of games. Signing Reeder last year was likely all about leadership and having a player that understood the defense, but damn, he's painful to watch play at times. I understand the Shelton signing. Sure it would be nice to have an all pro center.
 

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Tutu did have some big moments when we needed a play.

Can't justify the 10M thing from any rational vantage point except the potential Mcvay still sees in him and the experience in the system.

I am sure there is a bit of stubborness going on with Mcvay not willing to admit he F'd up with Tutu/Creed thing.

But for a coach who is damn near the best in the business, he gets more then a few passes in my book.

I also think Mcvay wanted to go into the draft with leverage to draft BPA and not be pigeonholed into drafting certain positions.
 

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I am sure there is a bit of stubborness going on with Mcvay not willing to admit he F'd up with Tutu/Creed thing.
You're right that we've seen McVay be stubborn before. I would add though that the entire Tutu/Creed thing is a fan creation. We've had no indication, no evidence whatsoever that the Rams were even interested in a center that year, let alone Creed.

If McVay is admitting he F'd up it's with mismanagement in his failure to get Tutu on the field more.
 

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What I know:

-Tutu was successful stretching the field with his speed, findings space in the middle of the field and filling in when other WRs were injured.
-Tutu was not successful contesting balls, being a red zone target, or being a physical WR (including blocking).
- Tutu was only played/targeted when Nacua or Kupp were injured.
-Tutu was signed to a one year $10m contract. No commitment to him beyond this year.

What I think:

-McVay values Tutu’s speed and ability to find space in the middle of the field. The Rams don’t have another WR currently on the roster with those skills. And McVay covets that’s dimension.
-McVay doesn’t want to use his draft picks to reach for a Tutu replacement but may draft one that could take over that role next year.
-Tutu will get more opportunities this year (especially early) to make a case for keeping him beyond this year.
 

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I don't think anyone is saying that Tutu is gonna br great or that Mcvay had some kind of revelation. But they were losing Kupp AND Demarus Robinson so they needed a veteran wideout. Of course they limited their potential for error by only giving Tutu a 1 year deal. Now they can draft a WR and let Tutu go next year.