Bye Bye Brandon "Fired"

[JimY53]

But I'm starting to get annoyed at the snark being thrown his way. Have some freaking decency

When it comes to coaches, plenty of people do have some. But there are a lot who
don't show decency to coaches. They descend into calling coaches dumb and cowardly.

That's going too far.

 

[rdlkgliders]

Staley will be fine fine pro sports recirculate coaches often, it is only a firing he hasn't been banned from future jobs. His track record albeit short is positive as a positional coach and coordinator. The NFL seemingly more than any sport offers opportunity for jobs lateral above and below your last position. I see him working soon and certainly by the beginning of next season. Lots of coaches needed their 2nd or even 3rd chance as a head coach to find success. I am curious to see where Staley's next chapter begins.

 

[Gandalf]

The Chargers have fans????

Players families

 

[PARAM]

There are NFL coaches I enjoy seeing fired....Chip Kelly, Eric Mangini, Josh McDaniels, Joe Judge, Jim Mora (Jr.), Charlie Weiss.....and then there are guys like Staley, etc.. The NFL (owners) sets some guys up for failure. There is NO WAY Staley was ready to be a head coach. 1 year as a coordinator? Come on.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Staley inadvertently set himself up in a post-game press conference a couple weeks ago.
When asked whether he felt his 'messaging was still getting through to the team'

Staley's response was ...
Yes, otherwise you would get blow-out of the stadium'

 

[PARAM]

Here's the last "first time coaches" hired from 2020 - 2023.

(2020) Joe Judge, Matt Rhule, Kevin Stefanski, (2021) David Culley, Urban Meyer, Robert Saleh, Nick Sirianni, Arthur Smith, Brandon Staley, (2022) Brian Daboll, Matt Eberflus, Nathanial Hackett, Mike McDaniel, Kevin O'Connell, (2023) Jonathan Gannon, Shane Steichen, Demaco Ryans.

17 "new" hires. 6 are already gone. 2 more on the way. Sometimes you get 3 years to show something. Sometimes less. I think Meyer and Rhule have proven college coaches aren't a good hire any more. Staley might have proven you need more than 1 year as a coordinator....if nothing else, to prove you can do it multiple years. But owners love the hot coach!! Quick success can occur though. Stefanski went to the postseason in year one but is just 23-24 since. How long does he hang around?

 

[0311rams]

makes me appreciate McVay even more. go rams.

 

[So Ram]

Staley was a crappy HC !!! He should have been fired a couple years ago.The Chargers are to cheap &!it cost them in the long run. The Rams would have NEVER won the Superbowl with Staley !!
We’ll see how his career ends up ? Is he even going to get a DC job ? Time will tell.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Here's the last "first time coaches" hired from 2020 - 2023.

(2020) Joe Judge, Matt Rhule, Kevin Stefanski, (2021) David Culley, Urban Meyer, Robert Saleh, Nick Sirianni, Arthur Smith, Brandon Staley, (2022) Brian Daboll, Matt Eberflus, Nathanial Hackett, Mike McDaniel, Kevin O'Connell, (2023) Jonathan Gannon, Shane Steichen, Demaco Ryans.

17 "new" hires. 6 are already gone. 2 more on the way. Sometimes you get 3 years to show something. Sometimes less. I think Meyer and Rhule have proven college coaches aren't a good hire any more. Staley might have proven you need more than 1 year as a coordinator....if nothing else, to prove you can do it multiple years. But owners love the hot coach!! Quick success can occur though. Stefanski went to the postseason in year one but is just 23-24 since. How long does he hang around?

Completely agree with the post's intention/point-of-emphasis that head coaching hires are a crap-shoot, with a high-percentage of failure. However, don't agree that Brian Daboll is 'on-the-way' out in New York.

Robert Saleh is more likely to go but I expect he will return to the dysfunctional-Jets in 2024.

 

[den-the-coach]

Record is misleading almost as to how bad a HC he was.

That is a fair point, but if he becomes a DC again and can showcase a top unit that wins in post season, you can sell a .500 coaching record, with some others over the years that have bad records, it is a hard sell.

 

[Merlin]

That is a fair point, but if he becomes a DC again and can showcase a top unit that wins in post season, you can sell a .500 coaching record, with some others over the years that have bad records, it is a hard sell.

He wasn't ready. He might not ever be ready. But right now the media is just piling on. There's a long list of guys who did a lot worse than Staley did.

I'd never hire him because I don't think he'll ever be authentic as a guy up in front. In the military there are guys who can't run drills, or who can't learn how to bend people to their will. It is the same thing in the NFL for head coaches. You have to find the style that works for you. Everyone can't do it the same way.

 

[den-the-coach]

I'd never hire him because I don't think he'll ever be authentic as a guy up in front. In the military there are guys who can't run drills, or who can't learn how to bend people to their will. It is the same thing in the NFL for head coaches. You have to find the style that works for you. Everyone can't do it the same way.

One advantage that you have in the military is, you have done what you are asking of the others to do. You should get buy in from that perspective alone, as a Coach, if you have not played at that level, it is your scheme and the ability to motivate that gets you the buy in, if they believe in your scheme and it proves successful, the other stuff will fall into place.

However, you have to have one or the other, Staley's scheme worked with the Rams, his defense never worked for the Chargers.

 

[Merlin]

I don't think his lack of leadership has anything to do with the fact he didn't play. That can be overcome if you have your own way of leading. It's also something others can't help you find. McDaniels is a good example of how it can be done in a way that suits who you are.

In the military not everyone has done it, either. Officers of the line, those straight from the academies, have no clue when they start. Some can overcome that and end up being great, others cannot overcome it at all.

 

[AZRams]

That is a fair point, but if he becomes a DC again and can showcase a top unit that wins in post season, you can sell a .500 coaching record, with some others over the years that have bad records, it is a hard sell.

How much do you weight the playoff collapse and horribly under-performing the following year if you're looking at him in your scenario?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

View: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-athletic-football-show-a-show-about-the-nfl/id1528622068?i=1000639035562


This podcast starts out by talking about Staley, Telesco and the Chargers. I found it to be pretty interesting.

 

[thirteen28]

In the military not everyone has done it, either. Officers of the line, those straight from the academies, have no clue when they start. Some can overcome that and end up being great, others cannot overcome it at all.

The ones that fail are those who fall for it when we ask them to go back to the engine room to get a fallopian tube calibrator.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Heard on Athletic pod, he didn't delegate. Was too smart for his own good, tried to put his fingerprint on all phases of the game. Had way too many rules for defense (meaning, they had an answer to everything an offense would throw at them but players were paralyzed trying to think of what rule to follow when, leading to breakdowns).

Think he'll make a great DC again with less on his plate, will probably end up DC in Green Bay.

 

[muggmeister]

Coming back to the Rams next year?

I fucking hope not, maybe he got too much credit here for his 1 year as the DC, albeit it a good one. I wouldn't want him near any of our young defensive players right now, his defense for the Bolts was/is fucking horrible and he called the shots and brought in new players, couldn't even coach decency in them.

 

[Merlin]

The ones that fail are those who fall for it when we ask them to go back to the engine room to get a fallopian tube calibrator.

"Sup dudes, need some help finding this daygum item..."
~ @Loyal (wearing his brand new dress blue jumper)

 

[Loyal]

"Sup dudes, need some help finding this daygum item..."
~ @Loyal (wearing his brand new dress blue jumper)

That was me having been assigned to lower the main mast on the Aircraft Carrier so we wouldn't hit the Coronado Bay Bridge....