Allen Robinson

Been saying that Robinson will be this year's "Matthew Stafford." That's, a good player stuck on a shit team or shit circumstances that finally comes to a good team and shows the League the Superstar he is and helps lead his team to Glory.

Allen Robinson II and the Great Escape From His Quarterback Hell

The Pro Bowl receiver spent nearly a decade catching passes from quarterbacks like Blake Bortles, Mitchell Trubisky, and Justin Fields. Now that he’s in offensive paradise with the Rams, Matthew Stafford, and Sean McVay, it’s finally Robinson’s time to shine.

www.theringer.com

 

[Riverumbbq]

His salary (and bonus) isnt guaranteed in 2024. Would make him an attractive pick up for a team at the deadline *if* he's producing

Same with Noteboom, imo. The big question is the 'IF' part. jmo.

 

[MachS]

Don't teams know you want to trade somebody the second you call them and ask, "What will you give us for ___________ "??

Working backchannels to determine value and having trade conversations on the DL happens all the time. Leaking to the media and all NFL insiders that a player is on the trading block is something completely different.

 

[PARAM]

Working backchannels to determine value and having trade conversations on the DL happens all the time. Leaking to the media and all NFL insiders that a player is on the trading block is something completely different.

So I guess the Rams didn't use any "back channels"? Just leaked it?

 

[PARAM]

His salary (and bonus) isnt guaranteed in 2024. Would make him an attractive pick up for a team at the deadline *if* he's producing

But that's the conundrum. If he's producing, really producing, unless the Rams are out of it, why trade him? I know to get rid of the money. But even with his money, there's all kinds of cap space next year WITH his salary deducted.

 

[dieterbrock]

But that's the conundrum. If he's producing, really producing, unless the Rams are out of it, why trade him? I know to get rid of the money. But even with his money, there's all kinds of cap space next year WITH his salary deducted.

Near 16 mill in 2024, cant see it unless he's having a Kupp like season in '23. If the season is sideways this year, might be worth getting what you can for the guy. Conversely, im hoping that Robinson is having a good year, which would likely mean the Rams are too

 

[PARAM]

Near 16 mill in 2024, cant see it unless he's having a Kupp like season in '23. If the season is sideways this year, might be worth getting what you can for the guy. Conversely, im hoping that Robinson is having a good year, which would likely mean the Rams are too

Absolutely. Right before Stafford went down they were starting to click. Gonna have to wait and see how it plays out.

First thought is, if we're 2-6, 3-5 at the end of October, trade him. But IF we're considerably better AND he's producing, might be smart to hold onto him. Can always trade him in the off season, particularly if he has a good year.

Second thought is, maybe get rid of him no matter what.

Too much thinking!

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

You're about ready to hear my biggest criticism of McVay so far;
His inability to get Tutu Atwell and Allen Robinson anywhere near where they need to be involved in our offense.

You simply cannot spend that much cap room and/or draft capital on two players that play the same position and not get even one of them involved more.

All right.
Now back to my usual cheerleader positive outlook happy self.

What makes that even more frustrating is that McVay is the guy who had to have Atwell. I figured that meant he’d be a big part of the offense. He barely played a snap in his first year, then last year he started to see a bit more at the end of the season but nothing like what I’d expect a must have second round pick to have.


Maybe the plan was to draft him in round two then get him going in his 3rd and 4th years so they can turn that second round pick into a sixth round comp pick four years later. The Rams love those late round comp picks.

 

[Soul Surfer]

And back to my second biggest gripe about McVay.
They have gone into drafts under Sean where they do draft fullbacks and work them in Camp just to turn around and release them in the last cut for some non-catching tight end who can halfway block.

I've said this before if it sounds familiar;
No matter what type of offense you run, there's always a need for a good snot knocking fullback who lives to level a linebacker at the second level.

If he can get a few tough yards?
That's a bonus.
He is going to be if he can catch out of the backfield?
That's a bonus.

If he's a special teams monster?
That's a big bonus.

And there is *usually* a player like this available in the mid rounds in every draft.

 

[Flatlyner]

What makes that even more frustrating is that McVay is the guy who had to have Atwell. I figured that meant he’d be a big part of the offense. He barely played a snap in his first year, then last year he started to see a bit more at the end of the season but nothing like what I’d expect a must have second round pick to have.


Maybe the plan was to draft him in round two then get him going in his 3rd and 4th years so they can turn that second round pick into a sixth round comp pick four years later. The Rams love those late round comp picks.

I'm with you. With our top 2 Wr's down last year, there is zero excuses as to why he wasn't even more featured last season. Particularly when you factor in, when we did target him, good things happened. He sure better have several touches a game this upcoming season.

 

[Merlin]

And back to my second biggest gripe about McVay.
They have gone into drafts under Sean where they do draft fullbacks and work them in Camp just to turn around and release them in the last cut for some non-catching tight end who can halfway block.

I think McVay requires intelligent players on offense. FB is a meatball position. They need to find him a guy who can do a bit of everything but who's smart enough to learn the offense quickly so he can be used with flexibility all over the formation. Maybe a guy like Luepke would stick.

 

[Faceplant]

Conversely, im hoping that Robinson is having a good year, which would likely mean the Rams are too

Agreed, and I understand your logic here, but for some reason I feel like if AR is having a good year it will be because the Rams are not. Can't say why, it's just a feeling I have and I hope I'm am wrong and both the Rams and AR shock the league. Wouldn't be the first time.... For the Rams at least.

 

[Memento]

Honestly would include Robinson in a trade for the right pick or two. He just didn't get any separation at all last year, and I don't think it's something he can improve on, given that he's close to thirty.

 

[LA_Rams_#29]

I would like to move on from Robinson, but I know a lot of the criticism about his lack of separation last season was overblown. Robinson was open a lot last year and simply wasn't getting the targets. Sometimes wide open. Stafford was locked in early and often with Kupp and/or didn't have the protection needed. I saw a stat somewhere that backed this up about Robinson being open and not getting targets last season

 

[Memento]

I would like to move on from Robinson, but I know a lot of the criticism about his lack of separation last season was overblown. Robinson was open a lot last year and simply wasn't getting the targets. Sometimes wide open. Stafford was locked in early and often with Kupp and/or didn't have the protection needed. I saw a stat somewhere that backed this up about Robinson being open and not getting targets last season

You're right in that regard. Obviously the protection for Stafford was a huge problem; I can't blame Robinson entirely because when he was open, the line had caved in. Landing on IR just was the shit cherry on the shit sundae of a season. Honestly, Skowronek was one of the very few bright spots last season at receiver, and in all honesty, he was better than Robinson was.

Having everyone other than Havenstein injured (it sucked to lose Bruss before the season really began. It sucked even more when Anchrum went down when he was doing well for a first game. And then losing Jackson to blood clots - blood clots, of all things - just proved that it just wasn't our year.) made it seem like the football gods were angry at our offensive line for whatever reason.

 

[Ram65]

Robinson is one if the not the most puzzling free agent the Rams have signed. I didn't see a lot of separation early in his routes but, that's from a TV perspective. He could have separated when out of TV view. A few things for sure were Stafford looks for Kupp first and often. Also, Stafford didn't have much time to throw. They got a little more connected right before the injuries.

I would keep him and see what happens during the season. He would have more trade value if the Rams fall out of contention and a team has an injury. I look for a decent rebound year for Robinson.

 

[rdlkgliders]

The Robinson thing is a little confusing, he really didn't have a lot of time with M.S and overall it was a strange season with all the injuries. I think I am going to reserve any strong opinion until I see a healthy M.S, adequate blocking, and an improved run game which is what I hope is our goal offensively for the upcoming season.

Here are a couple of articles regarding the A.R subject with some snippets cut and pasted below.

Allen Robinson wasn’t as bad as you think in 2022

Allen Robinson had a better 2022 season than his stats suggest

www.turfshowtimes.com

The Best NFL Receivers, According To ESPN Analytics

Receiver ratings from ESPN Analytics use player-tracking data to evaluate every route a pass catcher runs and scores his performance in three phases of the game.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Robinson was the 28th most open wide receiver in 2022 with a score of 65. This was in the same range as Keenan Allen, DK Metcalf, and Michael Pittman and higher than Kupp’s open score of 55. In fact, Robinson’s open score of 65 led Rams receivers.

Robinson’s open score of 65 matched his highest mark since tracking became available in 2017. He also had an open score of 65 with the Chicago Bears in 2020. That season, Robinson finished with 102 catches for 1,250 yards and six touchdowns.

It’s worth noting that Robinson’s open score of 65 was also better than Robert Woods in every season since 2019. In 2017 and 2018, Woods had open scores of 68 and 65. However, since then, he hadn’t had an open score higher than 59 in the Rams offense.

 

[FrantikRam]

I have no preference on whether we trade or keep him. However, I'd expect we could only get, at best, a 6rh rounder for him

 

[PhillyRam]

I have no preference on whether we trade or keep him. However, I'd expect we could only get, at best, a 6rh rounder for him

Maybe him and a 6th gets a 5th, but probably more like him and a 7th gets you a 6th....next yr.

 

[Merlin]

The Robinson thing is a little confusing, he really didn't have a lot of time with M.S and overall it was a strange season with all the injuries. I think I am going to reserve any strong opinion until I see a healthy M.S, adequate blocking, and an improved run game which is what I hope is our goal offensively for the upcoming season.

Here are a couple of articles regarding the A.R subject with some snippets cut and pasted below.

Allen Robinson wasn’t as bad as you think in 2022

Allen Robinson had a better 2022 season than his stats suggest

www.turfshowtimes.com

The Best NFL Receivers, According To ESPN Analytics

Receiver ratings from ESPN Analytics use player-tracking data to evaluate every route a pass catcher runs and scores his performance in three phases of the game.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Robinson was the 28th most open wide receiver in 2022 with a score of 65. This was in the same range as Keenan Allen, DK Metcalf, and Michael Pittman and higher than Kupp’s open score of 55. In fact, Robinson’s open score of 65 led Rams receivers.

Robinson’s open score of 65 matched his highest mark since tracking became available in 2017. He also had an open score of 65 with the Chicago Bears in 2020. That season, Robinson finished with 102 catches for 1,250 yards and six touchdowns.

It’s worth noting that Robinson’s open score of 65 was also better than Robert Woods in every season since 2019. In 2017 and 2018, Woods had open scores of 68 and 65. However, since then, he hadn’t had an open score higher than 59 in the Rams offense.

Yes and it is strange that they put him on the market because that would be selling low (which generally is stupid) and also insinuate that they think he might not be a fit. Only way the pieces fit is that he struggled to learn the concepts and implement them.

I mean if you don't know wtf you're doing you can get open but the QB doesn't trust your ass at all. And the QB will be the guy who knows if you're running the right sight adjustments and routes per given looks from practice.

 

[So Ram]

You're right in that regard. Obviously the protection for Stafford was a huge problem; I can't blame Robinson entirely because when he was open, the line had caved in. Landing on IR just was the shit cherry on the shit sundae of a season. Honestly, Skowronek was one of the very few bright spots last season at receiver, and in all honesty, he was better than Robinson was.

Having everyone other than Havenstein injured (it sucked to lose Bruss before the season really began. It sucked even more when Anchrum went down when he was doing well for a first game. And then losing Jackson to blood clots - blood clots, of all things - just proved that it just wasn't our year.) made it seem like the football gods were angry at our offensive line for whatever reason.

Losing Bruss or Anchrum wasn’t the problem. Your right about Jackson,but losing Noteboom & moving Jackson to LT hurt the RG spot.
Losing David Edwards was what really hurt the most upfront.Shelton actually held his own for a little while & Brian Allen getting hurt & having Kolone at starting center.

The 2nd niner game Allen Robinson looked like an All-Pro.
Van Jefferson is what hurt to open up the offense. Tutu Atwell didn’t step up all that much.