Well, in that case, I think they find a way to draft Arch Manning! Let's get the talks started!
Which QB should the Rams draft in the 1st Round next year?
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@jrry32 , what do you disagree about? Simpson? Chambliss? Mateer? (Please don't say fucking Beck or Pavia; you're an amazing friend, but if it's Beck or Pavia you disagree about, that's going to cause an Internet brawl.)
I wonder what would this chart look like over each of the last 10 playoffs? This is pretty telling.
Comparing Simpson to late-career Chad Pennington. Pennington could barely throw it 40 yards.
So much for the idea of trying trying to draft a guy on Day 2 or 3 and developing him. Doesn't seem to have a huge percentage chance of working.
Would you draft Simpson with the Rams late 1st if he last that long? I'm on the fence with that.
I don't like Simpson's arm strength. Period. I think Simpson fits more in a pure West Coast system where the quarterbacks rely on timing and precise accuracy and mastery of seeing the open player rather than pushing the ball downfield, even if it's midrange, or to the hashmarks on the sideline, taking more opportunities (i.e., the difference between a Shanahan passing system and a McVay passing system). And like Pennington did, Simpson relies more on anticipation of where his receivers go and the accuracy to put it where they are - and even that has flaws, given how he performed in the big games.
I think Chambliss can make some of the sideline throws that Stafford can easily make. I don't expect anyone to be Stafford when it comes to arm strength, but I think Chambliss has the potential to be some of that when he gains more mastery of an NFL offense. I don't believe in Simpson's ability to make any of those throws because I don't think he has that kind of arm, especially not in an NFL scenario where the offensive line will often collapse, unlike at Alabama.
I think there's a better than average chance that McVay decides one of those non-ideal-height QBs is worth a flyer, and the Rams will position to take him. But I doubt it would be in round 1 for example.
Bennett's 5'11" by the way. So the Rams may bring in a 6'1" QB to give us a 3 QB room of Stafford > Bennett > Rookie, where maybe that rookie can show us something on the scout team his first year and otherwise give the team a backup option for the 2027 offseason when Bennett's contract is up. Why, after all, pay $5M+ for a QB2 when you can just have one on the depth chart from midrounds. Especially given that McVay's got the ability to make the most of a QB as a WCO game designer like he did with Cousins, regardless of whether that's not how he wants to to it.
So I figure we're still gonna take a QB. It's just not gonna be round 1.
Bennett's 5'11" by the way. So the Rams may bring in a 6'1" QB to give us a 3 QB room of Stafford > Bennett > Rookie, where maybe that rookie can show us something on the scout team his first year and otherwise give the team a backup option for the 2027 offseason when Bennett's contract is up. Why, after all, pay $5M+ for a QB2 when you can just have one on the depth chart from midrounds. Especially given that McVay's got the ability to make the most of a QB as a WCO game designer like he did with Cousins, regardless of whether that's not how he wants to to it.
So I figure we're still gonna take a QB. It's just not gonna be round 1.
I strongly disagree with Trinidad in the first. Until a week ago, he was rarely, if ever, mentioned on this board. Nobody would have drafted him before the second, now he’s a top 15? I like him, but not in the first…at least not this year
Yeah I don't think he would sniff the first round. But if he runs Ole Miss to the title maybe that changes.
Yeah, he could go the way Dart did, someone moves up into late rd 1 to draft him. Maybe Cleveland or Arizona?
Quarterbacks rise in the draft process, and in a draft as weak as this one, I could see Chambliss as a top fifteen pick, along with Simpson if they impress enough; teams are that desperate and the league is that starved for good QB play. Chambliss has the traits you look for, size notwithstanding; he takes care of the football, has a very good arm, is athletic, he fits the profile of what McSnead has constantly looked for in drafts (smaller school players who have transferred to bigger school and proved that the limelight isn't too much for them) to a T, and has shone in the biggest games rather than wilted like Simpson. Of course, having a running back like Kewan Lacy helps a tremendous amount, but Chambliss has consistently impressed when I look at his tape.
Looking at him more and more, I'd take him over any quarterback in this class not named Mendoza or Moore. I think he'll be a hell of a quarterback, (if the NCAA rules that he can have another year, it'll make this quarterback class even weaker, which would negate my points entirely), and if McSnead trust him enough to make him a top fifteen pick, who am I to argue the point?
Today, I think I would. But I need to take a closer look at him. I was very high on him early and then soured on him late in the year.
Chambliss is trying to get a waiver to return to college. He's probably not going to be an option. I think you're underselling Simpson's arm strength. Alabama had a lot of concepts in their offense that are similar to ours. Simpson made a number of intermediate throws this year to in-break routes, especially digs. It's what initially had me so excited about him. He was executing an offense that looked somewhat similar to ours.
One thing to remember about Simpson is that they pretty much gave up on their run game and put it all on his shoulders.
McShay says he doesn't have any physical superpowers, like arm, or running or size. His best superpower is his ability to read defenses and process quickly, at least at the college level.
However, he felt once he put enough on tape, a top defensive coach like Venable of Oklahoma, was able to take away things he liked to do or the things he would pivot to when he would see a certain look. Makes sense.
Watch that video earlier in the thread. They did have concerns if he could just be another Mac Jones, although Jones had a much stronger supporting cast than Simpson has. They felt the Rams are his best chance to succeed where he can learn under Stafford & McVay for a few years.
SteezyEndo
The Immaculate Exception
An escape QB is fine. Running QBs are liabilities. Traditional pocket passer situational awareness escape artist type QB is a better option.
One thing the draft has taught me is all it takes is one team to reach for a player. So saying never is, well, never a good idea. Boy did I walk into that one.
But I think it's Mendoza and the funky bunch. Where Moore is like the lead dancer who looks so good in her tights that she ends up front and center with the singer. Moore is intriguing but only because the rest of the funky bunch are all short and struggled and look like someone put oatmeal or cottage cheese under their tights. You have some taller options that require a lot of dev and frankly projection.
I suspect NFL teams really want that 5th year option though. So I'd imagine we're going to see reaches in late round 1 here and there in drafts going forward, yes. If you really like a kid and think he has a high chance to work out, that 5th year is really damn nice when you're talking QBs.
Typically, QBs are overdrafted. And it definitely has something to do with that 5th year option. Tagging a LB or IOL is nowhere near as costly as tagging a QB. So if you're gonna reach, reach for a QB.
The term "reach" is subjective anyway. 32 different scouting departments, I doubt you can get 3 to totally agree on any one prospect. I've always believed, if you like a guy, better to grab him a little higher than wait and miss out on him altogether.
Some say "reach"? Fuck em. Get the guy you're committed to because of your scouting process. Like the heated debate earlier this year about the "wasted" 10 mil on Tutu, win the SB and people can say it's a waste (or that any particular pick was a reach) but if your holding the Lombardi it's irrelevant and frankly bad form.
This, all of it
QB is the most vital position and teams cant afford to miss out by waiting too long, being outbid or not willing to spend the extra $$ for the guy they think is or can be "the guy"
It's not a guarantee that Chambliss returns to Ole Miss; he's already a redshirt senior who has already had five years, including the redshirt. He's asking for a sixth year, and it's not a guarantee that he gets the medical hardship. It's up to the NCAA, and it won't be solved until Ole Miss is out of the playoffs. Until then, I'm hoping it's not granted.
I was high on Simpson early in the year, but his recent performances left a very bad taste in my mouth. I don't think he has the arm strength to execute our entire offensive concept; particularly the long out-breakers towards the sidelines. To be fair to him, Stafford - and probably Mahomes - are the only quarterbacks I can think of who might be able to execute it to its peak, but I've soured a lot on Simpson over his past few games.