I get the head to head theory. But when I look at the entire argument it is flawed. #10 Miami beats #6 Notre Dame by 3 on August 31st. Since then, Notre Dame lost to then #16 Texas A & M (now #3) on September 13th and beat everybody else on their schedule. Miami climbed to #2 before losing to unranked Louisville on October 17th and two weeks later to unranked SMU. IMHO, you can't complain because Notre Dame went on to win 8 in a row while you lost 2 of your last 5 to unranked opponents. Why have a college playoff? Just make the undefeated teams line up and play each other until there is only 1. Stop crying Miami, Notre Dame isn't going anywhere just like you wouldn't if you got into the tourney.
Where do you stand on the Miami/N.Dame debate?
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If only one gets in, I pick Notre Dame. They had a first-time starter at QB (a RS Freshman), while Miami had a very experienced signal caller. That gave Miami an advantage early. Notre Dame has gotten better as the year has gone on, while Miami has not.
Never seen anything like this
Notre Dame had a 21-0 lead before their offense even stepped on the field
After 2 offensive plays, a 28-0 lead
After 5 offensive plays, a 35-0 lead
Notre Dame had a 21-0 lead before their offense even stepped on the field
After 2 offensive plays, a 28-0 lead
After 5 offensive plays, a 35-0 lead
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fearsomefour
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This is what I was going to post.....all other things being equal enough, ratings will almost always win.
ramsplaya16
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Miami won the head to head, and has a 3-1 advantage in terms of margin of victory against common opponents.
Miami has won their last 4 games by an average of 28 ppg.
If h2h doesn’t mean anything, there’s no point to schedule tough OOC games.
It’s a no brainer if the teams are near each other in the rankings. Miami should be in.
Miami has won their last 4 games by an average of 28 ppg.
If h2h doesn’t mean anything, there’s no point to schedule tough OOC games.
It’s a no brainer if the teams are near each other in the rankings. Miami should be in.
There isnt a tiebreaker, because its not about standings, its about rankings.
If it was about standings, ND would be ahead of Miami because of a better conference record, 5-1 in ACC vs Miami 6-2
If it was about standings, ND would be ahead of Miami because of a better conference record, 5-1 in ACC vs Miami 6-2
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ramsplaya16
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From the CFP website:
The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:
- Strength of schedule,
- Head-to-head competition,
- Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
- Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
Common opponents? They have the same record, both going 4-0. Miami lost to 2 conference cupcakes, ND has been ranked above them all season. ND is the only team that was ranked in the top 25 when Miami played them, ND beat 5 teams that were ranked in the top 25
Miami still may get in, but not at ND's expense
ramsplaya16
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They do have the same 4-0 record against common opponents but Miami beat them more convincingly 3 out of 4 of those common opponents.
ND has not been ranked above them all season, Miami was #2 in the country and ranked above ND for 6-7 weeks until the loss @ Louisville.
The “conference cupcakes” you reference have both been ranked in the top 25 this season.
Miami is 4-0 against teams that were ranked when they played them. ND was ranked, USF was ranked, FSU was ranked, and Pitt was ranked.
the CFP committee says they take h2h wins as part of consideration. Miami beat ND head to head. If the teams are next to each other in the rankings and they don’t take Miamis H2H win into Consideration, they lose all credibility and show severe Bias’ IMO
ND outscored the 4 opponents by 143 points, Miami outscored them by 128
Miami lost to 2 unranked opponents, 1 at home
ND has been ranked higher than Miami since the initial CFP rankings came out
They take head to head competition in to consideration
Again, I think Miami will get in but if they dont, they should be more pissed about losing to unranked teams
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To add.....
Notre Dame played 4 "ranked" opponents.
Miami, Texas A & M, USC and Pitt.....3 of which are still ranked
Notre Dame lost their first two games and didn't lose again all season.
Miami played 3 "ranked" opponents.
Notre Dame, USF and FSU.....1 of which is still ranked..
Miami lost to unranked Louisville** 21-24 (in Miami) on October 17th and at SMU** 20-26, November 1st.
**for context, Louisville and SMU lost to CAL. If you get beat by one team who lost to CAL, you shouldn't be claiming you can play for the NCAA title. If you get beat by 2 teams who lost to CAL....well, let's just say, you ought to bow out gracefully.
What's really frustrating is how the CFPB decided to change up their thinking, moving Alabama ahead of ND because of their win at Auburn is laughable.
Alabama blew a 17 point lead to a 5 win team who doesnt have a head coach and recently lost to a 2 win Kentucky team. Oklahoma struggles with a dead to the neck LSU team, but they stay ahead as well.
Seems like the committee wants as many SEC teams they can get so along with some 1s round byes and allowing a couple patsy teams in, it will guarantee an SEC team (or two) in the championship game
Alabama blew a 17 point lead to a 5 win team who doesnt have a head coach and recently lost to a 2 win Kentucky team. Oklahoma struggles with a dead to the neck LSU team, but they stay ahead as well.
Seems like the committee wants as many SEC teams they can get so along with some 1s round byes and allowing a couple patsy teams in, it will guarantee an SEC team (or two) in the championship game
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IMHO, there are three viable conferences at the moment. The SEC, Big 10 and Big 12. The ACC is a joke. And when you start thinking about putting James Madison, Tulane or Virginia in the CFP it's ridiculous. Tourney fodder. I'd put Vanderbilt or Iowa in there before either of those 3 teams. Iowa lost to Iowa St. (#16 at the time), Indiana #11, Oregon #9 and USC #17 by a TOTAL of 15 points!!! Vanderbilt lost to Alabama handily but to Texas by only 3. Their last 3 games they scored 45 points in each vs Auburn, Kentucky and Tennessee. I'd wager Vandy beats any of those 3 tourney fodder teams by 21......at least and Iowa holds them to under 10 points!!! Having said that, I'm not saying Vandy or Iowa belong in the tourney, just that they'd belong before any of those cupcakes.
In the case of the Big 10, SEC & Big12, the committee has basically said the games are meaningless. Why shouldnt OSU/Indy or Georgia/Bama just play it like a pre-season game? Why risk getting a player hurt who you are counting on in the playoffs?
a 5 loss Duke team can actually make the playoff?
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I keep hearing talking heads/ex-head coaches say, winning the conference championship is HUGE. If that is truly the case, I don't think any of those teams are going to rest their stars.
Duke? I put them with James Madison, Tulane and Virginia. No business anywhere near the CFP. But what do I know? It's inclusion. Participation trophies on the NCAA level.
I'll tell ya one thing I'm rooting for......Ole Miss winning the Natty without Kiffen. Something he desperately wants at LSU happening at the school he left and he really can't take full credit for it!!! That would be awesome.