Um… exactly?Dump or Dumper - add Tto it & you got it ecoli & coming out both ends. He ain’t no OJ
When you need it most open up & take a WiDE-OUT , not a QB test.
DRAFT Where do you stand on QB Ty Simpson?
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Dump or Dumper - add T
When you need it most open up & take a WiDE-OUT , not a QB test.
It’s just my opinion - which I realize means jack - but if you’re taking a project - which I think Simpson is - you take a project with a later pick. My leaning is to take a project with more of an NFL arm and physical tools like a Payton.
Of course he might be better than Ponder or any quarterback I've mentioned that have been overdrafted. Better than Purdy? I doubt it very much. Purdy, as much as I hate the Whiners, doesn't have near the injury history that Simpson does, has a better arm, better internal clock.
I'd rather spend #13 on someone better than Purdy, and Simpson is not that.
Simpson is absolutely not a unicorn, let me make that very clear. A unicorn would be a Patrick Mahomes, able to make any throw on the field with athleticism and do off-schedule shit that no other quarterback in this league, let alone this quarterback class, can do. What is Simpson in comparison? He has the internal clock, the anticipation. He also has a massive injury history, his arm isn't nearly as strong as people think it is, he's a one-year starter who wilted in the biggest games of the year because of that injury history. He's the beneficiary of a weak quarterback class (hell, a weak class period, which will get him selected higher) - just like Ponder was the beneficiary of a weak quarterback class and teams were desperate enough to spend it on a quarterback of the future - and he will be selected highly because of all of those factors. That's the Ponder comparison. That's the J.J. McCarthy comparison. That's Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, Bo Nix, all quarterbacks who were selected highly because desperate teams needed quarterbacks of the future, and they were it, even with their numerous documented flaws.
I'm almost certain Simpson will go top ten; some team will be desperate, see no blue chips in this class outside of him, and take him well before our pick, even if they have to trade up to do it. But he is the beneficiary of a weak quarterback class like Ponder was, and he projects to be nothing more Purdy-lite but with a long injury history, and that is not a unicorn, not worth #13, not worth a first-round pick in a better class.
In a better class for quarterbacks like 2027 is shaping up to be - in a better class for prospects period - he wouldn't sniff the first round, like the vast majority of these prospects in this class. This is shaping up to be a very weak class at the top and bottom with very little true blue-chip players, with very few first-round-graded players with #15-#50 being just about equal.
Hence my Ponder comparison. Ponder benefitted from a weak quarterback class. Simpson will as well.
Simpson is NOT going Top 10, IMHO. Starts at 13 and he's not going there either. He's goung 20-40, Dart/Shough neighborhood.
You underestimate teams desperate for any young quarterback, and there are a lot of them in the top ten. The Jets (who have serious quarterback development issues, but it won't stop them from drafting one), the Cardinals (who have no quarterback and have even been linked to Simpson by draftniks), the Browns (Shedeur? Gabriel? Watson? Lawl.), and the Saints (Shough is not the answer; he was a twenty-six-year-old college senior drafted in the second round and easily replaceable) all need a #1 quarterback, and that's in the top ten alone. Going down further, the Bucs (if they end up ditching an aging Mayfield after the season is over), the Steelers (the corpse of Aaron Rodgers? LAWL.), the Vikings (because Kyler Murray and J.J. McCarthy don't inspire confidence, and they just fired the GM who drafted McCarthy, so there's no loyalty there), and the Eagles (if the Jalen Hurts rumor mill is true) need a young quarterback as well, and we well know that all of them could end up trading with a team in the top ten to usurp the Rams or others potentially selecting Simpson; the Vikings and Eagles are well known for swinging trades).
You are pushing Simpson going Top 10 simply to push your narrative of the "hysterical, desperate " team overdrafting a Quarterback who is not that good.
He's not going in the Top 10 and doesn't deserve to. He's going in the neighborhood of the aforementioned and also where NFL greats Lamar Jacksom and Jalen Hurts went. Nothing wrong with that.....
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I respectfully disagree. Ponder benefitted from QB desperation, not from a weak QB class. That was a solid QB class. Newton was a physical freak. Locker was too and had been in the conversation as a top pick if he came out in 2010. Gabbert had all the physical tools. And Ponder was the polished guy coming from a pro style offense. You also had Andy Dalton and Colin Kaepernick in the second round. I was not a fan of Locker, Gabbert, or Ponder, but they didn't go where they did because that draft class lacked talent.
As for Simpson, I have no idea where he goes. I am skeptical he goes top 10. But you never know. I do, however, think he's capable of having a successful career. He's the sort of QB prospect who needs to land in the right spot. He needs to land with a bright offensive mind in an offense like McVay's or Kyle Shanahan's (a lot of play-action and intermediate timing routes).
So when you say that those QBs went highly because teams were desperate, I agree. But none of those guys were drafted highly because their QB classes were weak. QBs tend to get overdrafted due to positional value and need.
I don't see Simpson as a project. He's fairly polished. I agree that Payton is a project. Needs a lot of work. Plenty of talent, though.
Maybe not when it’s purchased by the store, but the finished product certainly does. I can go to Outback Steakhouse and pay X amount of dollars, but that exact same steak is going to cost more and taste better if cooked by Gordon Ramsey.
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Memento - I’m gonna roll with your insights into this one. You are very well researched across the college game.
In the small about of games I watched Simpson play, he reminded me of a typical Bama QB - akin to Monroe and Hurts. That to me as a data point highlights 2-3 round projection. Was their anything is his game that would translate well to a McVay offense? Or is he a better version of Wolford?
He's not at all like Milroe and Hurts, or Wolford. He's a pocket passer who has solid mobility. Much more talented than Wolford. Sees the field well for a guy who has limited starting experience. Good intermediate thrower. Has under center and play-action experience. Fits our system well. If McVay thinks he has it upstairs, I'm fully in support.
I'm "pushing the Simpson going top ten" because I believe that's where he goes. There are too many teams desperate for any sort of good quarterback play and young quarterbacks to lead their teams - in the top ten, in particular - that would jump for the chance to get Simpson. This is a weak draft class as a whole as well - very few blue-chip players, and even the blue-chips, Love, Mendoza, and possibly David Bailey aside, have their own perceived flaws (Downs' supposed injury history, Tate being a beneficiary of Jeremiah Smith on the opposite side, Styles not having the instincts of elite linebackers, Reese being an athletic freak but not a true edge rusher, Bain with his short arms and careless driving incidents)- and he'll benefit from that, too.
But to me, in a better class, he goes in the second round. I'd be fine with him if he were a second-round pick, would wholly embrace him if he were at #61. I would not be fine with Simpson at #13. That's all I'm saying.
I accept your respectful disagreement (even though I believe that Locker was never that great either; he had the arm talent and athleticism, but accuracy was an issue and getting worse every year in college was a real concern); I did forget about Dalton and Kaepernick, who both had respectable careers. I will agree on it all...except on Gabbert.
Gabbert was awful with Mizzou. I have no idea - as a Mizzou fan, and you know how much of a homer I am for my players; hyping up Luther Burden III and all with all of the warts that were coming out - how he ever got selected in the first round, let alone top fucking ten. He looked the part, sure. He never played the part on the field. He had scattershot accuracy (and his receivers often bailed him out; I watched every game, and if you ever saw the Jerrell Jackson catch on YouTube, that was Gabbert's throwing - literally - every - game) and zero touch, his athleticism was average (in that he could run if it was a straight line, but didn't know when to tuck and run or have the wiggle to elude people), absolutely nothing in his head (he had no idea what to do on a football field, stupid for a regular player, let alone an actual godforsaken quarterback.).
Gabbert had a big (completely inaccurate) arm and size. That was literally it. He was a terrible quarterback; fucking Maty Mauk outplayed him, and every Mizzou fan, young and old, will die on the hill that he was the most overrated high-ranked player we've ever had in our school's history, which hurt because he was a local kid. We wanted him to succeed, but he was utter trash for us, disappointed us literally every year, and none of us thought he was anything close to a first-round quarterback.
Some team got desperate, I'll accept that, but Gabbert sucked as a college and NFL quarterback and was completely undeserving of a first-round pick. Some team got desperate, and the expected result happened; the only reason he saw any field was because a starter got hurt, and he still managed to suck then and there because his football IQ was the equivalent of a brain-dead road-killed squirrel.
I will fucking die on that hill. I will accept and embrace anything else you say, you're a close friend of mine, but Blaine Gabbert and his supposed talent is an argument I will not back down from.
Bro..and by Bro I mean Sis, he's NOT going Top 10, LOL. Love ya though, if you're right I'll eat crow here next Thursday. Cheers
Agreed. The GM and scouts are the grocery shoppers, the coaches are the chefs in charge of player development.
Right now we're comparing the price of steaks before they go to the kitchen.
He's not Monroe or Hurts. He doesn't have the mobility they have. He has the accuracy, anticipation, and pocket awareness that both of them lack. Not similar quarterbacks.
What I can't get behind - and why I think a pick at #13 of Simpson would be a mistake - is his massive injury history and the fact that I don't think his arm is as good on the intermediate-to-long range as someone like Stafford is - and we run a lot of intermediate-to-long routes that I don't think he has the arm for that some in the 2027 class do. If we're criticizing Jordyn Tyson and taking him off the board for his injury history, there's no reason why Simpson shouldn't get the same red-flags and board removal.
And if I'm wrong and we select him, I'll ask how you want me to eat my crow. Bottoms up~
Yeah, he aint goin 13 either. Like i said, Dart, Shough neighborhood, in there somewhere. Possibly before Dart though, late teens early 20's. Steelers a definite possibility, 21 i believe?