Vent Thread - Eagles at Rams

[snackdaddy]

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Once again the d allowed a cheap td in the last minute of the 1st half.

How many times do we have to see it? The Rams have a lead heading into the half, feeling good about themselves and then the d just screws everything up in the last minute of the half.

Then everything goes pear shaped on offense in the 2nd half. Like the opposition gets a boost with the score before the half.

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Against the 49ers the final play of the first half they gave up a TD. Against the Eagles the final play of the first half they gave up a TD. Against the Colts with two minutes left in the game they gave up a TD and two point conversion to tie it.

3 times in 5 games they could not keep the opposition out of the endzone late in a half. Today's game there was 30 something seconds left in the half. They couldn't prevent a touchdown.

If we are up 4, 5 or 6 points with two minutes left I have a feeling our defense is gonna lose a game for us. How different would the 49er and Eagles game look if they didn't fail with that?

 

[bwdenverram]

I've never seen a QB have more time to pass in my life. To be fair, the pass defense wasn't horrid but they can only over so long.
We have to get more pressure. Period.
And, there HAS to be better options than Hoecht. for the love of god.

 

[Spider2YB]

I've never seen a QB have more time to pass in my life. To be fair, the pass defense wasn't horrid but they can only over so long.
We have to get more pressure. Period.
And, there HAS to be better options than Hoecht. for the love of god.

There were at least 4-5 throws where he was just standing in the pocket, patting the ball for 5, 6 seconds. Really frustrating.

 

[Ramstien]

I had to stop watching halfway thru the 3rd quarter, just couldn't take it anymore. I too am frustrated by the defense given up points on drives right before the half. The fact is the better team won. Until the Rams find legitimate replacements for Heocht, Rosenboom, and Kendricks this will continue to happen. Also, the lack of pressure and this soft ass zone coverage does not help either. Morris and McVay both left Rams fans scratching their heads and wanting more.

 

[SWAdude]

Every loss is disappointing and has been since 1973 for me. Dagger to the heart for most all.

This season is different for me. Lord do I do all the normal swearing and screaming during the game.

We were written off at the seasons start and now see us having a chance even in a loss like this.

Our toughest part of the season and at some point in the middle of every game I have been thinking we could do this!

Unique season but don't feel defeated today. I feel like there is time to get stronger.

Not to mention our future.

Which I think about every year we play.

This team is a happy team and giving it their all.

No team has had the lifelong glorious ride we have had.

On any Sunday......

GO RAMS!!!

 

[majrleaged]

The only "vent" for me is 75 yards in 32 seconds. WTF!

seems like the same old story. When will they tighten up at the end of the half.

 

[majrleaged]

I've never seen a QB have more time to pass in my life. To be fair, the pass defense wasn't horrid but they can only over so long.
We have to get more pressure. Period.
And, there HAS to be better options than Hoecht. for the love of god.

our blitz package is vanilla. It is easy to spot and shows no imagination.

 

[kurtfaulk]

How different would the 49er and Eagles game look if they didn't fail with that?

I don't think it would look much different because teams are cranking up the pressure on Stafford in the 2nd half. Not sure what changes but the oline seems to have problems keeping the dline in check in the 2nd half. Probably because the Rams are behind on the scoreboard.

But the pressure would be less if the Rams can keep their lead at the half, or keep a bigger lead. Theoretically it should be easier to play with a lead.

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[hotanez]

I don't think it would look much different because teams are cranking up the pressure on Stafford in the 2nd half. Not sure what changes but the oline seems to have problems keeping the dline in check in the 2nd half. Probably because the Rams are behind on the scoreboard.

But the pressure would be less if the Rams can keep their lead at the half, or keep a bigger lead. Theoretically it should be easier to play with a lead.

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I don't know the numbers but it seems like teams are blitzing us a lot more in the 2nd half. We need the Oline to do better picking it up but McVay has to call plays where Stafford can get it out quickly. These long developing pass plays are killing us.

 

[Oregonram]

Why do we continue to become one dimensional? We ran 14 times today…Williams had a 4 yard per attempt, so we get behind by 6 points and we stop running? I just think Sean thinks he can pass every play. I’m so confused by so many empty sets inviting creative blitzes and getting Stafford hurried and hit too often. I don’t understand not keeping defenses honest. One week we have a 100 yard rusher, the next game run 14 times. I’m tired of hearing that the coach was calling what the defense was giving him….well the defense gave him zero points in the second half. The Eagles are good, but why not soften that D with more body punches?

 

[oldnotdead]

Morris thinks it's okay to give QBs time in the pocket. What do you think I've been railing about this stupid read react DL style of play. You can't read/react without slowing your rush. Donald gets away not playing that way when he basically says enough of this nonsense and attacks on the snap. Fangio split DL (mixed one and two gap) read react is a loser and it's why the vast majority of DCs don't use it. It slows down the pass rush.

I know because I watched that nonsense for years when the Chargers had their defense play that way. When John Pagano finally took over and installed a one gap attacking style the defense was night and day. It goes back to not just the players you have, but how you play them. Morris has no balls and it shows in how he plays his defense. It's to the point where this now falls on McVay for allowing it to happen. These defensive issues fall directly on McVay for allowing this shit to continue.

McVay is only focused upon the pass offense. He's pissed because Kyren doesn't know how to block. But says nothing about all the missed tackles and no pressure by the front 7 because they are waiting to see what the offense is going to do so they can react to it? This loss is a coaching failure.

Even I knew trotting out McClendon to play OT was foolish in the extreme. With Noteboom unavailable, where the fuck is Arcuri? He's in his second year but can't play as a backup? Is he that bad? WTF is he doing on the team? Is he going to be another Anchrum that still won't be able to play after 4 years? A decent OL player should be able to provide backup depth in his second year. Yeah he looked like shit last year but he hasn't improved?

Nsekhe is on Cleveland's practice squad. Time to poach him. He wasn't the greatest OT but he's better than McClendon and Thomas.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I don't know the numbers but it seems like teams are blitzing us a lot more in the 2nd half. We need the Oline to do better picking it up but McVay has to call plays where Stafford can get it out quickly. These long developing pass plays are killing us.

It happens too often. They need to work on a solution. Stafford looks way too skittish in the 2nd halves. He's under the pump almost every down.

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[TexasRam]

Morris thinks it's okay to give QBs time in the pocket. What do you think I've been railing about this stupid read react DL style of play. You can't read/react without slowing your rush. Donald gets away not playing that way when he basically says enough of this nonsense and attacks on the snap. Fangio split DL (mixed one and two gap) read react is a loser and it's why the vast majority of DCs don't use it. It slows down the pass rush.

I know because I watched that nonsense for years when the Chargers had their defense play that way. When John Pagano finally took over and installed a one gap attacking style the defense was night and day. It goes back to not just the players you have, but how you play them. Morris has no balls and it shows in how he plays his defense. It's to the point where this now falls on McVay for allowing it to happen. These defensive issues fall directly on McVay for allowing this shit to continue.

McVay is only focused upon the pass offense. He's pissed because Kyren doesn't know how to block. But says nothing about all the missed tackles and no pressure by the front 7 because they are waiting to see what the offense is going to do so they can react to it? This loss is a coaching failure.

Even I knew trotting out McClendon to play OT was foolish in the extreme. With Noteboom unavailable, where the fuck is Arcuri? He's in his second year but can't play as a backup? Is he that bad? WTF is he doing on the team? Is he going to be another Anchrum that still won't be able to play after 4 years? A decent OL player should be able to provide backup depth in his second year. Yeah he looked like shit last year but he hasn't improved?

Nsekhe is on Cleveland's practice squad. Time to poach him. He wasn't the greatest OT but he's better than McClendon and Thomas.

Even on clear passing downs when the rushers are rushing at the snap they couldn't penetrate the Philly Oline.

Trust me I am no Raheem fan. The Hoecht shit, the Kendrick shit, the end of half shit. It screams incompetence. Not to mention all the soft zone stuff he likes to do. But the Eagles built an unbeatable Oline.

On X's and O's - Mcvay compared to Sirriani is like Picasso vs a pig painting in the mud. The difference though is Sirriani inherited world beating Olineman in Kelce, Opeta, Mailata, Johnson and Seamalu last year. But even then still prioritizd the Oline and doubled down on drafting Dickerson in the 2nd round in '21. I heard a comment today about what Sirriani built. I died laughing. He built nothing. His Dominant inherited Oline got healthy but to his credit he had the commen sense to make it even stronger. The trade for AJ Brown was a legit theft so credit there as well.

Coaches need to drop their Ego. Honor the value of an Oline and get cute in the draft. Mcvay finally bit the bullet and went away from another Tutu project this year to draft Avila and that was a great start but we are not there yet. Once that Oline is truly built to compete against the great front then we can talk.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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One more thing, can the defense cover the tight ends. They're all running free all game, every game.

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[Steve808]

Against the 49ers the final play of the first half they gave up a TD. Against the Eagles the final play of the first half they gave up a TD. Against the Colts with two minutes left in the game they gave up a TD and two point conversion to tie it.

3 times in 5 games they could not keep the opposition out of the endzone late in a half. Today's game there was 30 something seconds left in the half. They couldn't prevent a touchdown.

If we are up 4, 5 or 6 points with two minutes left I have a feeling our defense is gonna lose a game for us. How different would the 49er and Eagles game look if they didn't fail with that?

We need one more decent pass rusher to make the defense better or teams will triple team AD and that's that.

Oh, and Hoecht can't be left is pass coverage. That's a loss always.

 

[Londoner]

This game was virtually a replay of the 49ers game: we are on top; refs screw us just before the halftime break; we do fuck all in the second half.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[oldnotdead]

If McVay is going to allow Morris to choke the life out of the defense he needs to improve the offense. What they need is a legit RB threat to balance the offense out. This team becomes one dimensional in the second half because the run attack is pathetic. It's really clear that the Rams got rid of the only real RB threat they had. It's why McVay needs to see what they have in Zach Evans. He's 5'11 with 4.4-4.5 speed. Who knows they may already have a Taylor like RB on the roster.


View: https://youtu.be/YzuD4PNwyso?t=44


That is why in the second half when teams realize the Ram run game is basically nonexistent they simply tee off on Stafford. No OL can protect when the defense knows you can't run. The Rams MAKE THEMSELVES ONE DIMENSIONAL they have two move the chains type RBs and don't even use them well. There isn't a true RB threat either running the ball or as a receiver, so they simply play pass defense and send everyone with no regard to the run game.

This is the huge failure of Sean's offense. They need another Gurley like threat at RB to back off the opposing front 7. Stop and think about it. When Goff was behind a decent OL and had Gurley this offense was unstoppable with Kupp and Woods. Well, they have a decent OL and better WRs with Kupp, Nacua, Atwell and Jefferson. But this offense can't be sustained for a full game. The reason is very clear....no RB threat. Williams doesn't scare anyone after 4 games they can tell he's good not great and McVay stops using him. So their entire defensive game plan is stop the passing game. How do you do it? Simply overwhelm the OL. McVay's pass routes are slow developing so they will have time to get to Stafford. They know he's not going to run so that is a huge factor.

On most plays Hurts has only 2 reads and if they aren't there he runs. This is why people are going crazy over Caleb and Mayes because they are the same way. But that isn't how the Seahawks and Rams use their QB. It's why IMO both teams will target Penix. He is a pocket passer who can read the field quickly, tries to move to extend the play always looking downfield, then runs only when he must. Penix has 4.5 speed. If he goes to the SeaChickens that will be bad news for the Rams, it will be like facing Lamar Jackson or Mahomes twice a year.

That is why I expect the Rams to pull out all the stops. This will be like how they stole Stafford away from the Niners. The Seahawks haven't hidden their interest in Penix. It's why Smith's contract is structured so they can trade or release him in 2025. If the SeaChickens get Penix does that mean Geno Smith becomes the Ram's QB?

 

[Oregonram]

If McVay is going to allow Morris to choke the life out of the defense he needs to improve the offense. What they need is a legit RB threat to balance the offense out. This team becomes one dimensional in the second half because the run attack is pathetic. It's really clear that the Rams got rid of the only real RB threat they had. It's why McVay needs to see what they have in Zach Evans. He's 5'11 with 4.4-4.5 speed. Who knows they may already have a Taylor like RB on the roster.


View: https://youtu.be/YzuD4PNwyso?t=44


That is why in the second half when teams realize the Ram run game is basically nonexistent they simply tee off on Stafford. No OL can protect when the defense knows you can't run. The Rams MAKE THEMSELVES ONE DIMENSIONAL they have two move the chains type RBs and don't even use them well. There isn't a true RB threat either running the ball or as a receiver, so they simply play pass defense and send everyone with no regard to the run game.

This is the huge failure of Sean's offense. They need another Gurley like threat at RB to back off the opposing front 7. Stop and think about it. When Goff was behind a decent OL and had Gurley this offense was unstoppable with Kupp and Woods. Well, they have a decent OL and better WRs with Kupp, Nacua, Atwell and Jefferson. But this offense can't be sustained for a full game. The reason is very clear....no RB threat. Williams doesn't scare anyone after 4 games they can tell he's good not great and McVay stops using him. So their entire defensive game plan is stop the passing game. How do you do it? Simply overwhelm the OL. McVay's pass routes are slow developing so they will have time to get to Stafford. They know he's not going to run so that is a huge factor.

On most plays Hurts has only 2 reads and if they aren't there he runs. This is why people are going crazy over Caleb and Mayes because they are the same way. But that isn't how the Seahawks and Rams use their QB. It's why IMO both teams will target Penix. He is a pocket passer who can read the field quickly, tries to move to extend the play always looking downfield, then runs only when he must. Penix has 4.5 speed. If he goes to the SeaChickens that will be bad news for the Rams, it will be like facing Lamar Jackson or Mahomes twice a year.

That is why I expect the Rams to pull out all the stops. This will be like how they stole Stafford away from the Niners. The Seahawks haven't hidden their interest in Penix. It's why Smith's contract is structured so they can trade or release him in 2025. If the SeaChickens get Penix does that mean Geno Smith becomes the Ram's QB?

I agree with you mostly…..however, Sean can get away from the run, even if he has the home run RB in his back pocket. Go back and let ok at how many touches Gurley had in that first playoff loss to the Falcons in his first year. I think this is more of a Sean problem than it is a home run running back problem. Williams had 13 runs yesterday with a 4 yard average….plenty good enough to give 20 to 24 touches to, but when Sean gets down a score…even if it’s only 3 points, he seems to panic and goes full WR attack mode with empty sets too often…so for all you guys who rag on Williams or Akers not doing a good enough job on blitz pick up, how about when Sean leaves no back to pick up the blitzer? It’s a stubborn or fools gold trait Sean can’t seem to shake during a game…

 

[So Ram]

I agree with you mostly…..however, Sean can get away from the run, even if he has the home run RB in his back pocket. Go back and let ok at how many touches Gurley had in that first playoff loss to the Falcons in his first year. I think this is more of a Sean problem than it is a home run running back problem. Williams had 13 runs yesterday with a 4 yard average….plenty good enough to give 20 to 24 touches to, but when Sean gets down a score…even if it’s only 3 points, he seems to panic and goes full WR attack mode with empty sets too often…so for all you guys who rag on Williams or Akers not doing a good enough job on blitz pick up, how about when Sean leaves no back to pick up the blitzer? It’s a stubborn or fools gold trait Sean can’t seem to shake during a game…

Once again Mcvay blamed the play calling.They got away from some things.
The grounding is a perfect example of how one read can put The Rams in such a bad position.The Tutu drop was another of how a player missing a catch hurts.
-Van Jefferson seemed to disappear.The Rams blew it with their 2020 draft.It’s SAD!!!!
The 2020 draft should have The VETERAN PLAYERS. The COMP PICKS!!

 

[Tano]

There are enough games on the schedule that they should win. But its the NFL. Any given Sunday. So I would think we won't will all of the winnable games. The way the defense gives up easy touchdowns late in a half is concerning. Chances are, there will be a game we have a one score lead and he defense can't hold them.

We did have concerns about the defense before the season. I think a number of us expected multiple games giving up over 30 points. Its only happened once. So as much as we get frustrated with them, I think they're doing better than expected. Enough to get to the playoffs? I don't know. We'll have to see how that goes.

Raheem has got to be the worst DC for end of halves - his defenses always gives up at best a FG right before half time

All 3 years his defense does that - go back and check the games and 90% of the time he gives up a FG or TD right before half time