Tight End class in draft

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I'd be happy with either, but if both were on the board, I'd take Warren. He's a great fit for our offense. And he was absurdly dominant in contested catch situations. Ball winner. No doubting the size, athleticism, physicality, or YAC skills either.
I prefer the better blocker who is faster and can separate (thus fewer contested catch situations). That's a far better matchup problem, IMO. That's Loveland.
 

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A quick perusal of this and it appears that the issue is that the bolded part of your statement appears to have been ignored.

You are exactly correct. There are 32 different teams with 32 different draft boards and the Rams will go by their own draft board as they have no access to the others or should even care about the draftnik media boards created by folks that may not even have a fraction of the information that they do.
Yes true, but every organization also tries to figure (guess wise) what other teams will do. Snead has actually been on record stating this. How else do teams consider how far to trade back? Teams have to project, sometimes they do it correctly or completely botch it a la Bobby Wagner. I just hope the Rams can be savvy in that department and still get a highly rated player on their board if they choose to go that route.
 

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I prefer the better blocker who is faster and can separate (thus fewer contested catch situations). That's a far better matchup problem, IMO. That's Loveland.
I don't consider Loveland to be the better blocker, nor am I sold that he's faster. He is a better route runner, but Warren is much better in terms of YAC and contested catches. Ultimately, I think Warren has the higher ceiling and his weaker points will be masked well by our scheme. I see Warren's athleticism, size, physicality, strength, and contested catch ability presenting greater matchup problems.
 

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Unless they plan to move up I wouldn't get too excited about the tight end position in the draft. Warren and Loveland will both be gone before we pick at 26. Who's better depends on what you want in your tight end.
 

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I don't consider Loveland to be the better blocker, nor am I sold that he's faster. He is a better route runner, but Warren is much better in terms of YAC and contested catches. Ultimately, I think Warren has the higher ceiling and his weaker points will be masked well by our scheme. I see Warren's athleticism, size, physicality, strength, and contested catch ability presenting greater matchup problems.
I agree that Warren's physicality with the ball in his hands (not blocking) exceeds Loveland, but otherwise we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Combine Measurements
Tyler Warren 6054, 256 lbs. 31 3/4" arms, 9 1/2" hands
Colston Loveland 6056, 248 lbs. 32 3/4" arms, 10" hands
 

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Yes true, but every organization also tries to figure (guess wise) what other teams will do. Snead has actually been on record stating this. How else do teams consider how far to trade back? Teams have to project, sometimes they do it correctly or completely botch it a la Bobby Wagner. I just hope the Rams can be savvy in that department and still get a highly rated player on their board if they choose to go that route.
True, but I question how much so-called consensus draftnik media boards from folks with very limited information plays a role in these projections.
 

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I agree that Warren's physicality with the ball in his hands (not blocking) exceeds Loveland, but otherwise we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Combine Measurements
Tyler Warren 6054, 256 lbs. 31 3/4" arms, 9 1/2" hands
Colston Loveland 6056, 248 lbs. 32 3/4" arms, 10" hands
I'm not sure how you think combine measurements refute anything that I said. Agreeing to disagree is fine with me. Don't understand the relevance of the combine measurements, though.
 

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I'm not sure how you think combine measurements refute anything that I said.
They were just provided because size was mentioned.
Just wanted to show that there really wasn't that much of a difference, IMO.
And this with Loveland coming off a shoulder surgery and unable to lift.
 

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I remember Joel Klopfenstein or whatever his name was. A 2nd rd pick and complete bust.
 

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They were just provided because size was mentioned.
Just wanted to show that there really wasn't that much of a difference, IMO.
And this with Loveland coming off a shoulder surgery and unable to lift.
Understood. Yeah, then we can agree to disagree on size. Obviously, Loveland is every bit as tall, but Warren played at a heavier weight and it showed imo. That's the point I was making on size.
 

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True, but I question how much so-called consensus draftnik media boards from folks with very limited information plays a role in these projections.
I would think everyone is going to question it outside of the utmost top caliber players which is why you'll find so many varying opinions out there. There's so much to factor in such as scheme fit, measurable preferences, potential, etc. Throw in the smokescreens plus the lies organizations leak to the media and its extremely hard to pinpoint what teams think outside of those top players. I just hope the Rams take advantage and get players they deem good on their board. Gonna be interesting to see how it plays out.
 

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I remember Joel Klopfenstein or whatever his name was. A 2nd rd pick and complete bust.
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I remember Joel Klopfenstein or whatever his name was. A 2nd rd pick and complete bust.
I still think Klopfenstein could've been decent if we had a decent system.

He was the only pick I (when I was a precocious teenager not even on the cesspool known as RamStalk) liked in all of the first three rounds (all five picks). Dominique Byrd was even worse in terms of production and character.
 

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I still think Klopfenstein could've been decent if we had a decent system.

He was the only pick I (when I was a precocious teenager not even on the cesspool known as RamStalk) liked in all of the first three rounds (all five picks). Dominique Byrd was even worse in terms of production and character.
We’ll add Ty Hill,Wroten,& Byrd.
Instead Jay Cutler was my pick,but Naga (DT)from Oregon also fell.
He actually might’ve had a better career than SUH who became a solid Ram.
 

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I want the Rams to add a WR, TE or RB that will be an offensive weapon this year. If one of Hampton at RB, Egbuka/Golden at WR or Loveland at TE were available at R1.26 that should do the trick IMO. Otherwise they’d have to hit on an impact player (Henderson/ Judkins at RB, Higgins/Burden at WR or Taylor at TE) early to mid 2nd round after trading down.
 

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If they pick at 26 I think it’s likely that BPA may be a receiver. I like the corner from Ole Miss (Amos) there too. Jihad Campbell is a pipe dream. I doubt Warren or Loveland drop that far. One can only hope. I’m not impressed with any of the DLine/edge guys in that range. So I keep coming back to corner or receiver. But the Rams are pretty specific with what they look for in a receiver. So I’m guessing Amos will be the pick. He’s a bigger, stronger, faster Darius Williams. He’s not a lock down type. He’s really smart and is always in the right place at the right time. Plus he tackles well, unlike several corners in this draft.

It wouldn’t exactly be great value but outside the top 5-8 there isn’t great value.

I’d be more excited about Campbell, Warren or Loveland, because I think the biggest problem is stopping the run and getting Higbee’s replacement on board.