The X-Factor: Isaiah Pead to start? Tyson vs Ali.

[BatteringRambo]

Thread title got updated I see.
Ruben "The Hurricane" Carter. And Tyson scared me from Nintendo's (Mike) Tyson's Punch Out at age 9!!

 

[fearsomefour]

BTW - Tyson with Cus D'Amato? Yeah, he probably knocks out Ali. Tyson with Don King? No effing way. And good Tyson would have knocked out Frazier, Holms, Norton, and Foreman in their primes.

Tyson with D'Amato was something to behold. Like all prize fighters he fought plenty of stiffs.
In 1990 a Foreman/Tyson fight was in the making. Tyson didn't want it.
This is from an article regarding that, the quote is from Bobby Goodman who was Don Kings matchmaker....

"Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?" He said, " You'll never believe this but, F*****' Tyson is scared shit less of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fight in' that F*****' animal, if you love the mother****** so much, you fight him!'"

I do believe this.
The main reason is I knew a guy who trained some fighters in San Diego (Orlin Norris and his brother). He knew Tyson and said basically the same to me (I was and is a big Foreman fan). Tyson would never fight Foreman. He was afraid of his jab. He (Tyson) said Foremans jab was the best punch in heavyweight boxing and he felt he would just pick him apart with it. If he got inside the jab he would use his crossarm defense or smother him.

Now, I know many don't think Foreman in 1990 was his prime but I personally think he was quite a bit better than the 1970's Foreman was was mostly energy and not a ton of skill.
Post Cus Tyson could lack confidence and if Foreman was that far in his head I think there would be a decent chance Foreman would have knocked Tyson out.
One thing for sure. Foreman's jab was always a punch he could dominate most fights with.

 

[CodeMonkey]

What were we talking about again?

Oh yea... X rules!!!!

:cheers: :rockon:

 

[Loyal]

Tyson with D'Amato was something to behold. Like all prize fighters he fought plenty of stiffs.
In 1990 a Foreman/Tyson fight was in the making. Tyson didn't want it.
This is from an article regarding that, the quote is from Bobby Goodman who was Don Kings matchmaker....

"Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?" He said, " You'll never believe this but, F*****' Tyson is scared crap less of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fight in' that F*****' animal, if you love the mother****** so much, you fight him!'"

I do believe this.
The main reason is I knew a guy who trained some fighters in San Diego (Orlin Norris and his brother). He knew Tyson and said basically the same to me (I was and is a big Foreman fan). Tyson would never fight Foreman. He was afraid of his jab. He (Tyson) said Foremans jab was the best punch in heavyweight boxing and he felt he would just pick him apart with it. If he got inside the jab he would use his crossarm defense or smother him.

Now, I know many don't think Foreman in 1990 was his prime but I personally think he was quite a bit better than the 1970's Foreman was was mostly energy and not a ton of skill.
Post Cus Tyson could lack confidence and if Foreman was that far in his head I think there would be a decent chance Foreman would have knocked Tyson out.
One thing for sure. Foreman's jab was always a punch he could dominate most fights with.

Love George, but he met a better fighter in Ali..ala "The Rumble in the Jungle"

 

[fearsomefour]

I always enjoyed Diego Corrales as well.

 

[Loyal]

Foreman had a heavy jab, and so did Ali...less powerful than Foreman's, but better because it was much quicker...

 

[fearsomefour]

Love George, but he met a better fighter in Ali..ala "The Rumble in the Jungle"

Certainly a smarter fighter at that time.
Foreman, with his size, strength and power should have dominated the division then. He was lazy and cocky. Couldn't be bothered with irritating things like developing technique.
Ali was smarter.
Foreman in his second go round was much smarter than his first.
Love the jab.

 

[fearsomefour]

Foreman had a heavy jab, and so did Ali...less powerful than Foreman's, but better because it was much quicker...

yeah, very different fighters.
Foremans is the best of all time in my opinion....of the heavies anyway, in the modern era.

 

[Loyal]

Certainly a smarter fighter at that time.
Foreman, with his size, strength and power should have dominated the division then. He was lazy and cocky. Couldn't be bothered with irritating things like developing technique.
Ali was smarter.
Foreman in his second go round was much smarter than his first.
Love the jab.

It's hard to say..Foreman in his twenties with the maturity of the guy in the 90's? yes...But the complete package in his prime was Muhommed Ali/Cassius Clay..Best I ever Saw

 

[Loyal]

yeah, very different fighters.
Foremans is the best of all time in my opinion....of the heavies anyway, in the modern era.

How do you say this? The Old Man that fought, did not have the skills/youth of the Foreman of the 70's. the 70's Foreman never had the maturity..Either version doesn't beat the complete package in Ali, IMHO.

 

[fearsomefour]

How do you say this? The Old Man that fought, did not have the skills/youth of the Foreman of the 70's. the 70's Foreman never had the maturity..Either version doesn't beat the complete package in Ali, IMHO.

Its apples and oranges.
Ali was a great fighter for sure, but, like all prize fighters he fought plenty of bad fighters.
He was more skilled than Foreman. Foreman was more powerful. I was not making a comment about Foreman beating Ali.
I was just saying I think Foreman had an amazing jab as it was basically a power punch.

 

[Loyal]

Its apples and oranges.
Ali was a great fighter for sure, but, like all prize fighters he fought plenty of bad fighters.
He was more skilled than Foreman. Foreman was more powerful. I was not making a comment about Foreman beating Ali.
I was just saying I think Foreman had an amazing jab as it was basically a power punch.

Ohh..no doubt

 

[RamzFanz]

 

[RamzFanz]

Tyson is a punk and ahole coward by the way, but no one could knock out people like his dumbass.

 

[Loyal]

Only guy I ever heard of in that list of KO's was Marvin Frasier, because of his Dad.....Tyson did what you are supposed to do, beat the guy in front of you...but they were bums

 

[DR RAM]

Thanks, now I wont be able to sleep tonight That is why Tyson would beat Ali, but Ali is an all-time great, Tyson was a flash fire, in a pan.

If we are being honest, and legit. Sometimes, you just cant compare era's.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Your time frame for both Mason and Gurley?

Week 3 for Mason vs Pittsburgh
Week 8 for Gurley vs San Francisco

 

[DR RAM]

Week 3 for Mason vs Pittsburgh
Week 8 for Gurley vs San Francisco

No, no, no, 2, and 4.

 

[DR RAM]

Tyson with D'Amato was something to behold. Like all prize fighters he fought plenty of stiffs.
In 1990 a Foreman/Tyson fight was in the making. Tyson didn't want it.
This is from an article regarding that, the quote is from Bobby Goodman who was Don Kings matchmaker....

"Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?" He said, " You'll never believe this but, F*****' Tyson is scared crap less of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fight in' that F*****' animal, if you love the mother****** so much, you fight him!'"

I do believe this.
The main reason is I knew a guy who trained some fighters in San Diego (Orlin Norris and his brother). He knew Tyson and said basically the same to me (I was and is a big Foreman fan). Tyson would never fight Foreman. He was afraid of his jab. He (Tyson) said Foremans jab was the best punch in heavyweight boxing and he felt he would just pick him apart with it. If he got inside the jab he would use his crossarm defense or smother him.

Now, I know many don't think Foreman in 1990 was his prime but I personally think he was quite a bit better than the 1970's Foreman was was mostly energy and not a ton of skill.
Post Cus Tyson could lack confidence and if Foreman was that far in his head I think there would be a decent chance Foreman would have knocked Tyson out.
One thing for sure. Foreman's jab was always a punch he could dominate most fights with.

Well, yeah, but not for that reason, but for this reason:

Who wants to deal with that?????

 

[Mojo Ram]

No, no, no, 2, and 4.

Nah, home games baby!