Stafford and those 2 first-rounders - worth it?

[ottoman89]

Yes.

Also, have to remember 1 of those first rounders was to take Jared's contract.

So Jared Goff and a 1st for Matthew Stafford? Still one hell of a deal for us.

 

[Tano]

Yes.

Also, have to remember 1 of those first rounders was to take Jared's contract.

So Jared Goff and a 1st for Matthew Stafford? Still one hell of a deal for us.

As Jrry said, that contract was not really taken off us.

Detroit got a contract for Jared at $25m per year for 3 years.

That's not a bad contract imho for a QB of Goff's ability.

And if they wanted to they could eat next year for 15M (which I doubt they will do) or $0 the year after which is possible if Jared doesn't do better next year.

As for us, we had to eat a large portion of Jared's contract and it cost us $43 M to have Jared and Stafford's contract on our books whereas it would have been only $32M if we kept Jared.

 

[Faceplant]

To be quite honest, he can pull me off if he signs for 20m and allows us to strengthen further.

Outstanding, haha...

So the article the Philly posted ain't wrong, but says he compares statistically to 2018 Goff. I loved 2018 Goff..... Most of the time, kinda like Staff so far this year. Do I think Stafford does enough in that SB to win it? You're darn tootin' I do. That throw to Cooks in the back of the endzone gets there a tick quicker for a TD coming off Matt's hand IMO. I think he makes a few more throws and the Rams win.

Also, 2018 Goff had Gurley (and then, maybe an even more efficient CJ), a healthy and sturdy OL and a top 5 defense. Hell, even the special teams were much better that year. This year has seen FAR more injury and Covid scratches all over the team, including ALL along the OL. We didn't find our bell cow RB until 2 weeks ago, and we lost Bobby Trees, who was part of the heart and soul of this team, much less the offense.

I would argue that MS season so far, in spite of all that, is more impressive than Goff in 2018. I can NOT over state how much I loved Goff that season btw. Still love the kid.

Honestly though, I was flabbergasted at how badly MS played Sunday. I really was. I was terrified every time he dropped back, just like Goff last season. I just didn't expect Stafford's bad to be THAT bad. He absolutely filled his diaper Sunday. We cannot have that shit. The team deserves better and a 12 year vet making those kind of mistakes is mind bending. I just hope he got it out of his system..

 

[Faceplant]

That's not a bad contract imho for a QB of Goff's ability.

The team has two wins. They are clearly in rebuild mode and do not need a 25M QB, regardless of his ability, haha.... That was absolutely part of the trade. Not sure how anyone could see it any other way.

 

[bubbaramfan]

Yeah, lets get Goff and our two draft picks back. For sure to get the Rams in the SB next year. WTF was Snead thinking.

 

[OntarioRam]

TBD.

Goff was unfairly scapegoated. It blows my mind that a QB with that many wins, TDs, and a Super Bowl appearance at such a young age can be dumped on as much as Jared Goff is league wide - and including by his own fans and coach.

Stafford is definitely the better QB, and gives the Rams a higher ceiling and a more explosive element. And when he gets sacked, Stafford is far less likely to fumble. With Goff, I'd hold my breath every time a defensive lineman got near him. Stafford also proved with the Lions he can be a 4th quarter comeback speacialist. That's an invaluable trait.

But Stafford still turns the ball over a ton via interceptions. Goff got crucified for turnovers, but generally, it's Stafford's turnovers that seem to be more damaging as they are occuring in or around the Rams' own 20 yard line.

Stafford is also much older than Goff, with a much longer injury history. And he seems to miss way more easy completions / wide open WRs than Goff ever did, killing drives and eliminating momentum.

Is the trade worth it? Only if Stafford's higher ceiling brings home a Super Bowl, IMO. If the Rams can't win a Lombardi Trophy with Stafford, then I'd rather the Rams have kept the picks, and used them to acquire other talent, be it via the draft or trade, that would have hopefully let the Rams win with Goff. I do think Goff and Stafford are not too different. I'd say Goff is just outside of the QB tier Stafford is in. That speaks more so to how disrespected I think Goff is, as opposed to any discontent I have with Stafford.

I would not read into Stafford's performance in Minnesota too much. QB is so much about timing. Due to covid, he had little to no practice time the week before the game.

 

[bubbaramfan]

Stafford stats in 4th qtr-- 10 td's and 0 int's.

 

[blackbart]

Wins is a team stat not an individual stat so that is irrelevant.

Who are the two firsts in a Rams draft? Any chance they actually hold on to the or did they trade them away in this exercise?

Goff will never be a great QB even though he had some very good games.

Stafford played on so many shitty teams in Detroit how good would he have been in the years Goff had with the Rams?

Fuck them picks.

 

[Merlin]

Goff will never be a great QB even though he had some very good games.

Truth. This is not even remotely about Goff. He was not good enough to QB a perennial contender.

People continuing to victimize him are simply trying to prove their old takes right. But time is not going to be nice to them. He'll probably be a journeyman/backup here in a couple years once Detroit is done using him to keep the position warm. There was never enough dog in Goff and that old quote by Martz about your QB needing to be the most competitive guy on the field wins the internet in this conversation IMO.

We'll see though if the Stafford cost was worth paying. I am pretty happy right now with him at QB though of course I am concerned with him reverting to bad habits. Playoffs are going to tell us a lot, he needs to play well for us.

 

[majrleaged]

Was it worth it? We have the QB that turned a very good receiver into the best receiver, statisticly, in the league. Turned him into a pro bowler. Stafford has delivered the ball to the #1 and #2 record holders for a single season. Granted these are great receivers, but would they ever reach this level without this QB. Hard to answer with Megatron, but it is obvious that he is the difference for Kupp.

 

[TSFH Fan]

FTP

 

[Kupped]

And I still blame Blythe for a lot of that decline.

Yes one player can make a HUGE difference if they are a really bad weak link and Blythe was that last year.

Goff had no chance on some of his throws.

And note that Blythe hasn't even played for KC this year even with their huge turnover in their OL.

But yes Stafford is > Goff. Worth 2 1sts and a third - that is a good question and I have not made up my mind

Stafford's already been sacked more than Goff and that's with more longer developing routes.

Allen is better than Blythe, but, much like McVay's first couple of years, I now see an offense where the defense has to account for an entire playbook, every play. Keeping a defense off balance is key for this offense, imo.

 

[Tano]

The team has two wins. They are clearly in rebuild mode and do not need a 25M QB, regardless of his ability, haha.... That was absolutely part of the trade. Not sure how anyone could see it any other way.

Yes they are in rebuild mode but I bet in two years, Detroit is going to be a contending team.

Disagree with me all you want but we shall see after two years who is right and who is wrong.

As I have stated many times, if I was Detroit, I would trade down quite a few times to get as many 2nd 3rd 4th 5th picks as I can since this is a rich NON-QB class this year.

 

[Kupped]

Do we now give Stafford a humongous contract though?

He can really win me over if he pulls a Tom Brady and says $20M is enough... and he doesn't want a $40M contract. After all he is one of the big bonus babies that got the huge rookie deals that are no longer given out to #1 picks.

Now for some sobering stats...

The Rams aren't getting the Matthew Stafford they need to win the Super Bowl

Yes, the Rams are 11-4 and in the NFC West driver's seat. But Stafford has been a lot closer to peak Jared Goff than the vision Sean McVay and Co. had when they traded for him.

sports.yahoo.com

I can't remember where, but I read or heard that $$ wasn't going to be an issue with Stafford. I think we see him on a lower-tier deal, similar to Brady.
Stafford is already #8 in career earnings and will jump to 4 next year. He doesn't need to break the bank and, if he enjoys winning, will take less.
I see that happening.

 

[Tano]

Stafford's already been sacked more than Goff and that's with more longer developing routes.

Allen is better than Blythe, but, much like McVay's first couple of years, I now see an offense where the defense has to account for an entire playbook, every play. Keeping a defense off balance is key for this offense, imo.

I see a 2018 playbook but Stafford is still better than Goff.

 

[Mister Sin]

Anyone who argues over who is better is either delusional or haven't watched a game imo. I dont think it up for debate.

As far as worth it? I don't think so. He's been very good and very bad at times. He's 32-33 years old and has a year left....no guarantee we can keep him. Two first and a good qb in trade.

Goff is a good qb. Not great and not the leader Stafford is, but he is better than many starting QBs in this league and we basically just threw him in for free after giving up two more first rounders.


I should say, I'm happy that Stafford is here. And, if I'm being honest, I'm happy that Goff isn't. I just don't like the price.

 

[Kupped]

I see a 2018 playbook but Stafford is still better than Goff.

That's my point.
I'm comparing the Oline situation this year to last year... Stafford opening up the playbook makes it easier on the oline.
It's also one of the reasons it's batshit that McVay was going empty so often earlier this season.

 

[Tano]

That's my point.
I'm comparing the Oline situation this year to last year... Stafford opening up the playbook makes it easier on the oline.
It's also one of the reasons it's batshit that McVay was going empty so often earlier this season.

But Allen/Corbett is so much better than Blythe. That has also allowed McVay to open up the playbook as well.

Stafford has helped as well but I think both Stafford and the new centers both contributed about the same for McVay to open up the playbook.

With Goff, they wouldn't have opened up the playbook as much but I believe Goff would have been successful in this offense just not as much as Stafford has been successful. We would see more of a game control QB in Goff than the gunslinger in Stafford. Would McVay be still frustrated in Goff - probably.

With the above in mind, I am glad we went after Stafford.

 

[So Ram]

Truth. This is not even remotely about Goff. He was not good enough to QB a perennial contender.

People continuing to victimize him are simply trying to prove their old takes right. But time is not going to be nice to them. He'll probably be a journeyman/backup here in a couple years once Detroit is done using him to keep the position warm. There was never enough dog in Goff and that old quote by Martz about your QB needing to be the most competitive guy on the field wins the internet in this conversation IMO.

We'll see though if the Stafford cost was worth paying. I am pretty happy right now with him at QB though of course I am concerned with him reverting to bad habits. Playoffs are going to tell us a lot, he needs to play well for us.

Well if it’s not about Goff what he did as a Rams QB should be at least respected.I’ll totally disagree with you that he is a journey man QB.
That said to answer the question will come in Stafford’s contract.I thought getting out of that contract was big & having a future possible HOF QB is worth it depending on what happens in the future.
The Rams should be better off this season & next at making a SuperBowl run. I wonder about the development of Bryce Perkins.

 

[Kupped]

Anyone who argues over who is better is either delusional or haven't watched a game imo. I dont think it up for debate.

As far as worth it? I don't think so. He's been very good and very bad at times. He's 32-33 years old and has a year left....no guarantee we can keep him. Two first and a good qb in trade.

Goff is a good qb. Not great and not the leader Stafford is, but he is better than many starting QBs in this league and we basically just threw him in for free after giving up two more first rounders.


I should say, I'm happy that Stafford is here. And, if I'm being honest, I'm happy that Goff isn't. I just don't like the price.

33, but we have multiple QBs excelling into their late 30s, so that doesn't bother me.
I don't think contract will be an issue. We'll see how it plays out, but I would suggest they knew at least a little about what he would want, moving forward, before pulling the trigger.

I understand not liking the price, but I also understand what lack of decisiveness looks like. I'll take Stafford for that price over Wentz at the price the Colts paid for him, every day.
What would the Saints look like with Stafford? The 9ers?

"Worth it" is just so hard to really quantify in many of these situations. Look at the 2 firsts the Rams gave up for Ramsey? And.. unlike the Seattle situation with Adams.. that's going to be at least one fairly low first rounder.