Snead/Mcvay neglect caring about the 0-line isn't backed up by facts.

[Ellard80]

This isn't most seasons. This is 2022 and we're not going to be able to compete due to this line. So it's worthy of discussion on its own merits.

And no need to remind me that we won it all. I am aware and very happy about it. Doesn't mean I want to make excuses for the failures on our team.

yeah but the narrative has been around long before this season... that he negelcts the o-line

I'm not just talking about this year because it's frankly a narrative not backed up by facts for a few years or more.

And saying this year proves anything is laughable with the amount of injuries.

and im not saying you are saying this btw.

 

[dieterbrock]

Other than Whit, the Rams havent made any big trades or FA moves to add Oline. Traded for a couple WR, signed another to a big FA deal. Obviously the Staff trade was all O, and then on the D side plenty of moves in the backfield with Jalen, Peters and Talib and pass rushers Fowler and Von
Draft wise again, heavy on RB with the "higher" picks
Really put a lot of faith in building from within, which is fine however they did change o-line coaches and strangely not much else
Theyve done what they needed to do, they won the GD Superbowl, but dayum it sure looks like they've been cheating the devil with the roster and that bitch is lookin to get paid up right now

 

[Merlin]

yeah but the narrative has been around long before this season... that he negelcts the o-line

I'm not just talking about this year because it's frankly a narrative not backed up by facts for a few years or more.

And saying this year proves anything is laughable with the amount of injuries.

and im not saying you are saying this btw.

If it's laughable there's no real conversation to be had is there. Enjoy that.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

... When the Rams won the Super Bowl.

Seriously? 23 attempts for 43 yards is successful running in your mind?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

If it's laughable there's no real conversation to be had is there. Enjoy that.

Yes there is. In the 2021 draft they knew Whit was leaving, Corbett was leaving, Noteboom was unproven as a starter, and Allen had a bad knee. Instead they drafted a receiver that they didn’t need and was too small to boot.

I’ve always read that the Rams draft to fill future needs. That’s three future needs completely ignored.

On top of that the best lineman on the team this year, UDFA Jackson was designated as a backup. Who made that decision? Didn’t they watch him in practice? Or is it, “Crap, he’s really good and we just signed Joe and he’s not as good but he’s a nice guy, so he starts.”

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

yeah but the narrative has been around long before this season... that he negelcts the o-line

I'm not just talking about this year because it's frankly a narrative not backed up by facts for a few years or more.

And saying this year proves anything is laughable with the amount of injuries.

and im not saying you are saying this btw.

Okay, then let’s say he neglects the running game. This year he made it his off-season priority to fix the running game. Wasn’t he paying attention to it before?

It’s odd that a successful offensive mind has to figure out why the team didn’t run the ball well the year before, or in other years. Especially when his offense revolves around a successful run game. Does Andy Reid struggle with that? LaFluer, Shanahan?

 

[Allen2McVay]

Seriously? 23 attempts for 43 yards is successful running in your mind?

No. Not at all. Didn't say anything close to that; and have not suggested the 2021 O-Line was strong.

However, what I am suggesting is that for a Super Bowl Champion, with real cap limitations, being able to return a comparable O-Line (when one starter was retiring and four other OL were free agents) might be a reasonable and realistic strategy and goal.

 

[Ellard80]

Okay, then let’s say he neglects the running game. This year he made it his off-season priority to fix the running game. Wasn’t he paying attention to it before?

It’s odd that a successful offensive mind has to figure out why the team didn’t run the ball well the year before, or in other years. Especially when his offense revolves around a successful run game. Does Andy Reid struggle with that? LaFluer, Shanahan?

Last year was the only time the Rams have not had a top 10 rush offense under Mcvay

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

No. Not at all. Didn't say anything close to that; and have not suggested the 2021 O-Line was strong.

However, what I am suggesting is that for a Super Bowl Champion, with real cap limitations, being able to return a comparable O-Line (when one starter was retiring and four other OL were free agents) might be a reasonable and realistic strategy and goal.

It lacked foresight. They could have put some pieces in place in the 2021 draft. Instead they chose another direction.

It cannot be a year to year plan. We’ve even been told that it isn’t a year to year plan. Drafting well means filling future needs as well as immediate needs.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Last year was the only time the Rams have not had a top 10 rush offense under Mcvay

They set up the run by passing and trick plays. They never just ran successfully when they had to run.

But your topic is neglecting the Oline, which they clearly did in the 2021 draft.
Aside from that Noteboom had never been good when he has started. But he was the plan. Alan is equivalent of Terrell Lewis and Todd Gurley.

You choose to not see it.

 

[Ellard80]

They set up the run by passing and trick plays. They never just ran successfully when they had to run.

But your topic is neglecting the Oline, which they clearly did in the 2021 draft.
Aside from that Noteboom had never been good when he has started. But he was the plan. Alan is equivalent of Terrell Lewis and Todd Gurley.

You choose to not see it.

"they set up the run by passing and trick plays. They never ran successfully when they had to run."

what an absolute crock of a statement...

cowboys playoff game in 2018 they ran for nearly 300 yards...

2020 playoffs they ran for like 170 yards in the opening game...

I could give you a tone of other games... games where the passing game wasnt good and wasnt setting up shit

3 out of 5 of Mcvays seasons the rush offense has been ranked higher than the pass offense.

 

[Tano]

It lacked foresight. They could have put some pieces in place in the 2021 draft. Instead they chose another direction.

And 2020 I was yelling for an OL in each round each time they chose another position

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Last year was the only time the Rams have not had a top 10 rush offense under Mcvay

But I’ll give you this much. How Jourdan explained it: The Rams and Staley introduced an defense to stop the aggressive pass offense that the the NFL was dominated by. It worked and now everyone uses it. The teams that could already run the ball well are succeeding against the Match Quarters defense

"they set up the run by passing and trick plays. They never ran successfully when they had to run."

what an absolute crock of a statement...

cowboys playoff game in 2018 they ran for nearly 300 yards...

2020 playoffs they ran for like 170 yards in the opening game...

I could give you a tone of other games... games where the passing game wasnt good and wasnt setting up shit

3 out of 5 of Mcvays seasons the rush offense has been ranked higher than the pass offense.

One of those games was wit Gurley vs a Cowboys team that didn’t stop the run well. I admitted the run game was good then too.

The other year was Goff and all of the misdirection, trickeration to produce a run game.

However, I thought the topic was the offensive line.

Look I get it. You are the type that the glass is always half full and don’t like to question the coaches. I’m not that type. I’ve been begging them to get a few dominant Olineman for the last four years. I’m tired of them needing a first down at the end of the game or on third and short and not getting it. The tough yards matter in situations like that. They had a back that could get them that and they didn’t resign him. It worked with both Anderson and Michel. But apparently there is no place in the McVay offense for that type of back. He’d rather have two guys that could hit a homerun on every play.

Btw the stats can be deceiving. A few long runs in a game can make it look like the team is doing a great job running.

 

[thirteen28]

Regardless of what they did or didn't do in years past, I'll repeat my opinion of what they should do going forward. Next offseason should absolutely NOT be one where they worry about comp picks (particularly when we have a 1st rounder coming the following season) and instead invest some free agent $$$ in going to get some proven talent.

 

[thirteen28]

This, sofa king much this:

I’m tired of them needing a first down at the end of the game or on third and short and not getting it. The tough yards matter in situations like that. They had a back that could get them that and they didn’t resign him. It worked with both Anderson and Michel. But apparently there is no place in the McVay offense for that type of back. He’d rather have two guys that could hit a homerun on every play.