Should the Rams explore moving Van Jefferson?

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Since we will most likely be players in acquiring free agents next year we won't get shit for VJ in a compensatory pick. If he's not gonna be a part of the future due to Kupp's and ARob's contracts then get what you can for him now. Now if we were Super Bowl or bust this year I would say "keep him", but we're not NOT. If we can get a 4th or more realistically a 5th, then we should acquire more assets now than receive nothing later.

IDK that makes zero sense. Regardless if we acquire FA’s next year or not we are going to acquire a comp pick for him regardless. Judging by other WR signings that would probably equate to a 6th round pick at the least and potentially a 5th round one.

We have 500 holes in this roster now, why would we trade him now when his value would be at a minimum? If it was going to happen it’ll be closer to the trade deadline. Just like the last few years people predicting trading Rob Havenstein, that made zero sense and didn’t happen. Same is true with this line of thinking as long with the overvaluing what we can get in compensation.
 
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IDK that makes zero sense. Regardless if we acquire FA’s next year or not we are going to acquire a comp pick for him regardless. Judging by other WR signings that would probably equate to a 6th round pick at the least and potentially a 5th round one.

We have 500 holes in this roster now, why would we trade him now when his value would be at a minimum? If it was going to happen it’ll be closer to the trade deadline. Just like the last few years people predicting trading Rob Havenstein, that made zero sense and didn’t happen. Same is true with this line of thinking as long with the overvaluing what we can get in compensation.
If VJ signs for somewhere else for say 3 years and $30M and WE acquire a free agent for the same approximate value then we don't receive compensatory considerations. It doesn't matter what round you were drafted, it's a matter of what you sign for.
 

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IDK that makes zero sense. Regardless if we acquire FA’s next year or not we are going to acquire a comp pick for him regardless. Judging by other WR signings that would probably equate to a 6th round pick at the least and potentially a 5th round one.

We have 500 holes in this roster now, why would we trade him now when his value would be at a minimum? If it was going to happen it’ll be closer to the trade deadline. Just like the last few years people predicting trading Rob Havenstein, that made zero sense and didn’t happen. Same is true with with lime of thinking as long with the overvaluing what we can get in compensation.

This argument is weak imo. And who exactly has been overestimating Van Jefferson's trade value ? Van Jeff's true value may actually be higher today than since he was drafted, at least if you are listening to the greatness a few fans around here are heaping on him. Seems some are expecting to hit the lotto with him as 2025 Compensation after losing him in 2024 to free agency. On the other hand, it appears many have come to believe the Rams will be heavily engaged in free agency next year with all that new CAP availability, and apparently the above poster thinks that will have no effect on Van Jefferson's comp potential.
A number of posters would like to somehow pick up another 3'rd or 4'th round draft pick, but few are suggesting the options for how we accomplish such a feat. We are told how both Higbee & Van Jeff are being overvalued as trade prospects, although there is nothing but silence when a 2024 Rams draft pick is added to a trade scenario. No one knows what Snead may or may not do in regards to a draft day trade, the Rams don't have much to offer outside of Hig's or Jefferson, although up to now it appears the Rams do wish to increase available 2024 CAP dollar availability, build a younger roster and let our many new coaches mold them into solid NFL players.
 

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This argument is weak imo. And who exactly has been overestimating Van Jefferson's trade value ? Van Jeff's true value may actually be higher today than since he was drafted, at least if you are listening to the greatness a few fans around here are heaping on him. Seems some are expecting to hit the lotto with him as 2025 Compensation after losing him in 2024 to free agency. On the other hand, it appears many have come to believe the Rams will be heavily engaged in free agency next year with all that new CAP availability, and apparently the above poster thinks that will have no effect on Van Jefferson's comp potential.
A number of posters would like to somehow pick up another 3'rd or 4'th round draft pick, but few are suggesting the options for how we accomplish such a feat. We are told how both Higbee & Van Jeff are being overvalued as trade prospects, although there is nothing but silence when a 2024 Rams draft pick is added to a trade scenario. No one knows what Snead may or may not do in regards to a draft day trade, the Rams don't have much to offer outside of Hig's or Jefferson, although up to now it appears the Rams do wish to increase available 2024 CAP dollar availability, build a younger roster and let our new coaches mold them into players.
Who the hell is worried about comp picks? 2024 comp picks don't help the 2023 Rams. Jefferson will though. After Kupp and Robinson, he's the 3rd most.experienced WR. In McVay's system, he's #2.
 

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It's not a dog pile on Van Jeff
I'm not sure he's talking about just this thread. Van Jeff has been getting piled on since his rookie season. People calling him soft, lack luster, takes plays off, can't win 50/50 balls, body catcher.... hell... even slow.

I'm not even saying all the criticisms aren't valid. But even after 800 yards as a sophomore, a lot of fans were wanting him gone.

Personally, I just don't see getting a good bang for our buck. I'm not really of the thinking that we are going to have 10 draftees and some UDFAs "grow with the team". Most of the team is still going to be made up of players that have been around for 3 or 4 years with a rookie or two seeing the field and some real veterans.

I view Van as a professional and someone who can help mentor the younger players. I could be way off. But replacing a 2nd rounder with a 3rd or 4th when we know that 2nd can produce, seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I don't hold last year against him. He got injured before the season started and then played most of the rest with Perkins and Wolfy throwing to him. Even with Mayfield, there were very few opportunities to go deep.

All that said, if we have a specific player we are targeting that can improve the team and can get him by trading Van, go for it. Not sure I see that scenario but I'm generally blind sided by most of the moves the FO makes with this team.
 

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Who the hell is worried about comp picks? 2024 comp picks don't help the 2023 Rams. Jefferson will though. After Kupp and Robinson, he's the 3rd most.experienced WR. In McVay's system, he's #2.

The Rams have shown over the last few years that comp picks have been important.

Last I heard Robinson was still on the roster, and if it comes between the two of them, I'd prefer we go with A.R. for 2023.
 

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at least if you are listening to the greatness a few fans around here are heaping on him.
So.... calling him a good 3rd receiver or possible #2 is heaping greatness? Seems more like calling him one of those role players you just don't get rid of without a real upgrade.
 

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The Rams have shown over the last few years that comp picks have been important.
They've also shown "fuck them picks" and production over potential. I'm not sure where you figure we'll draft in this Jeff + 2024 pick scenario of yours so it's difficult to debate. Unless we're throwing in a high 2024 pick, we're not moving up very far.
 

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If VJ signs for somewhere else for say 3 years and $30M and WE acquire a free agent for the same approximate value then we don't receive compensatory considerations. It doesn't matter what round you were drafted, it's a matter of what you sign for.
Except that there is a compensatory formula. It's not a straight up lose one gain one.

I don't really buy into the comp formula for him either but I would rather take the production and some value in the comp formula over what would likely be a 4th rounder.
 

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VJ was playing well and starting to take off in ‘21 when he went down hard in week 8 (on another long completion to that point). By year’s end, it would be easy to say he wasn’t all that, but who knows how long his knee was hurt and what toll it took.

Our unproven WR corps isn’t scaring anybody. It’s dismal compared to what the Rams have been fielding—except for maybe last year. They should at least wait to see if somebody else emerges.
 

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So.... calling him a good 3rd receiver or possible #2 is heaping greatness? Seems more like calling him one of those role players you just don't get rid of without a real upgrade.

Just as you mentioned in an earlier post, the Rams are likely aware our roster has more than a few depth issues, so sacrificing one of our few players with trade value, a guy who will presumably be lost to free agency next year, and being that our WR unit may be deeper than any of our other units, yes, I could move him without regret. I've never said that Van Jefferson isn't a decent #3, but sometimes you have to look around and see the forest thru the trees. Atwell is the 2021 2'nd round acquisition whom the Rams should have well prepared by now to assume a competitive role, and with Skowronek and a new draft pick rotating in with others, I'm not that worried about it.
 

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They've also shown "fuck them picks" and production over potential. I'm not sure where you figure we'll draft in this Jeff + 2024 pick scenario of yours so it's difficult to debate. Unless we're throwing in a high 2024 pick, we're not moving up very far.

That 'fuck them picks' attitude was fine building for the Super Bowl, 2023 looks to be something altogether different.

I've thrown out a few ideas about pairing a 2024 draft pick to enhance a potential trade, I won't repeat those possibilities here except they were mid-round 2024 picks ... and just my opinion.
 

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If VJ signs for somewhere else for say 3 years and $30M and WE acquire a free agent for the same approximate value then we don't receive compensatory considerations. It doesn't matter what round you were drafted, it's a matter of what you sign for.
Yea, I understand how the comp pick formula works, but but that’s not including anything else. It’s not a given we are going to get ourselves in cap hell right away by signing all kinds of players either especially having given up the players we had to to get out of cap hell.


This argument is weak imo. And who exactly has been overestimating Van Jefferson's trade value ? Van Jeff's true value may actually be higher today than since he was drafted, at least if you are listening to the greatness a few fans around here are heaping on him. Seems some are expecting to hit the lotto with him as 2025 Compensation after losing him in 2024 to free agency. On the other hand, it appears many have come to believe the Rams will be heavily engaged in free agency next year with all that new CAP availability, and apparently the above poster thinks that will have no effect on Van Jefferson's comp potential.
A number of posters would like to somehow pick up another 3'rd or 4'th round draft pick, but few are suggesting the options for how we accomplish such a feat. We are told how both Higbee & Van Jeff are being overvalued as trade prospects, although there is nothing but silence when a 2024 Rams draft pick is added to a trade scenario. No one knows what Snead may or may not do in regards to a draft day trade, the Rams don't have much to offer outside of Hig's or Jefferson, although up to now it appears the Rams do wish to increase available 2024 CAP dollar availability, build a younger roster and let our many new coaches mold them into solid NFL players.
Who has been overstating Van’s value?! Multiple articles and peoples posts for Idk what, a season and a half at least? No way in any universe we are getting a 2,3, or a 4 for him.

With that being said it’s even realistic to trade him this year especially with our situation with Allen Robinson and this part of the year. Right now is the worst time in regards to trading strength and the best time will be towards the trade deadline now.

The rest is staying the obvious and what I been saying since January and those slow to the party are only realizing after moves have already happened at the beginning of FA.

This is our path, this is paying off the credit card and trading him for a 6th or 7th doesn’t really help this next year.


I'm not sure he's talking about just this thread. Van Jeff has been getting piled on since his rookie season. People calling him soft, lack luster, takes plays off, can't win 50/50 balls, body catcher.... hell... even slow.

I'm not even saying all the criticisms aren't valid. But even after 800 yards as a sophomore, a lot of fans were wanting him gone.

Personally, I just don't see getting a good bang for our buck. I'm not really of the thinking that we are going to have 10 draftees and some UDFAs "grow with the team". Most of the team is still going to be made up of players that have been around for 3 or 4 years with a rookie or two seeing the field and some real veterans.

I view Van as a professional and someone who can help mentor the younger players. I could be way off. But replacing a 2nd rounder with a 3rd or 4th when we know that 2nd can produce, seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I don't hold last year against him. He got injured before the season started and then played most of the rest with Perkins and Wolfy throwing to him. Even with Mayfield, there were very few opportunities to go deep.

All that said, if we have a specific player we are targeting that can improve the team and can get him by trading Van, go for it. Not sure I see that scenario but I'm generally blind sided by most of the moves the FO makes with this team.
Exactly my sentiments regarding Van, I’m curious to see how this WR corps shapes out for the 23’ season heading towards the ‘24 season. I’m sure we’ll pick up a good WR next year in the draft to McVay’s liking.
 

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With the idea that we’re going to try to score 50 ppg to win games, we prob should keep him around.

I’m just not a fan of his game. Soft, body catcher who IMO doesn’t display the competitive nature I see in other lesser talented players.
 

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Who has been overstating Van’s value?! Multiple articles and peoples posts for Idk what, a season and a half at least? No way in any universe we are getting a 2,3, or a 4 for him.

With that being said it’s even realistic to trade him this year especially with our situation with Allen Robinson and this part of the year. Right now is the worst time in regards to trading strength and the best time will be towards the trade deadline now.

The rest is staying the obvious and what I been saying since January and those slow to the party are only realizing after moves have already happened at the beginning of FA.

This is our path, this is paying off the credit card and trading him for a 6th or 7th doesn’t really help this next year.

Please link a few of those articles that so overstates Van Jefferson's value.

I've never heard of anyone offering a 2'nd for Jefferson, possibly a 3'rd or 4'th if there was additional compensation included. For Van Jeff to maximize his value at the trade deadline when there is only 9 games left to the season, he would need to be 100% healthy, he would need to be having an outstanding season, and he will likely need for a play-off bound team to have suffered an injured WR prior. A draft day trade eliminates those fewer deadline scenarios, especially for a guy who is about to hit free agency. If the same were true for Allen Robinson, seems he might make the better 'deadline' trade.

Again, I must have missed those posts where someone has suggested a 6'th or 7'th rounder would be adequate compensation. Still, I'm glad to hear that someone actually knows our 'path'.
 

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44 career games, 93 catches, 1394 yds 10 td
On the most conservative side, that equates to 36 catches 540 yards and 4 TD over 17 games.
If anyone thinks that production can just be replaced with a 5th or 6th round pick, they're out of their mind
 

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44 career games, 93 catches, 1394 yds 10 td
On the most conservative side, that equates to 36 catches 540 yards and 4 TD over 17 games.
If anyone thinks that production can just be replaced with a 5th or 6th round pick, they're out of their mind

I haven't seen a single post which suggests a 5'th or 6'th round rookie would match that, rookie WR's drafted that low are usually in development, even 2'nd round draft pick Van Jefferson only had 19 receptions as a rookie.

Just wondering how those figures stack up against our combined part-timers of Skowronek, Powell & Atwell ?