If you're a *huge* Bradford fan, then why would you invest so much effort in discrediting him in favor of pimping Cutler as the better QB? And using bad statistics to do it (hyperbole), no less. For instance:Trust me, I am a huge Bradford fan as well and i think he still has a chance to become a very good qb. Problem is, he's not getting paid to be a very good qb. He's getting paid to be elite and he simply isn't. he cripples us financially tying up so much cap space but doesn't produce even close to justifying that.
Cutler has passed for 4,000 yds in a season, and come close to 4k numerous other times in his career. he has flirted with 30 tds quite a few times. Cutler has won playoff games. So, if you want to be fair, he is the superior player up to this point and thats not even debatable.
once again, not to say bradford won't some day surpass him, but that has not happened yet and there are no facts (stats) to claim the contrary.
i think if people can look past the admiration we all as rams fans share for Sammy, we have nothing but hope and homerism to support him being better than Jay
If you're a *huge* Bradford fan, then why would you invest so much effort in discrediting him in favor of pimping Cutler as the better QB? And using bad statistics to do it (hyperbole), no less. For instance:
"Flirted with 30 tds quite a few times."
Uh, no. He "flirted with" 28 TDs once. And didn't make it, because he threw 27. 25, 23, 20 were his other high totals in his 8 year career . Those are all flirting with 26, and coming up short. By your definition, Bradford has flirted with 30 TDs in 2012 by throwing for 21. He was also on pace to throw for 32 this year.
"Cutler has won playoff games."
Uh, no. He won *one* playoff game as the QB of the Bears against the 7-9 Seahawks and then posted up a 31 QB rating against the Packers the same year (2010). That's the extent of his playoff "career" in 8 years.
"He is the superior player up to this point and that's not even debatable."
Based on what? Interception percentage? Nope - Bradford's better.
Based on average yards per season? There's a negligible difference between the two (2992 vs 2766). That's 14 yards per game more for Cutler.
Based on years in the league? Sure. Cutler has twice as much experience.
Based on *TEAM* records? Sure. Cutler's *TEAMS* averaged 7 wins per season. Bradford's - 4.5.
Based on your opinion. Sure. You can have that opinion - but it *is* debatable.
The NFL is all about "what have you done for me lately." It's the reason why guys like Eli Manning and Flacco can win Super Bowls and still be called shitty QBs this year by fans of the teams for whom they play. So let's disregard both Cutler's AND Bradford's careers and focus on this year. Neither finished the year. Cutler played 11 games, and Bradford played 7. How do they measure up with each other?
Interception % - Bradford (3.4 to 1.5)
TD % - Cutler (5.4 to 5.3 ... nearly identical)
Completion % - Cutler (63.1 to 60.7)
QB Rating - Bradford (90.9 to 89.2)
Yards per game - Bradford (241 to 238.3)
Winning % - Cutler 45%, Bradford 43%
Where's the overwhelming evidence that Cutler is the better QB this year? And Cutler, again, has 8 years experience to Bradford's 4. (104 games to 49). With twice as much experience (and then some), wouldn't you think that Cutler would be MILES ahead of Bradford in some of the more important QB statistics this year? Of course all of your (and my) statistical analyses completely leaves out SOS, experience of the supporting cast (receivers, backs, line), success of the run game, successive years in the system, and health of the O-lines protecting them. Care to put together a better analysis this time, and include the things I just mentioned? Then (and only then), will your claims that "it's not even debatable" be taken seriously.
NJRamsFan getting upset:
Saying stuff that won't endear him to his fellow posters.
I dont think he was bashin you man. I think he just went the extra mile with researching. Dont take it personal man. Everyone has an opinion.First off, I'm not sure who you are to question my fandom, do you feel making this website gave you that right?
you guys are right bradford is the best cutler is the worst sorry for having a differing opinion!
i tried to make it clear from my first post I'm a bradford fan not bashing him just the way i see it AS OF NOW...everyone hops on their high horse claiming the other boards are full of trolls and this one is so refreshing but right about now Its feeling a lot like group think...im not trolling just have a different opinion and that didn't seem to be taken too kindly..
A contested opinion has nothing to do with treating you unkindly. I think you're feeling persecution that isn't actually there.First off, I'm not sure who you are to question my fandom, do you feel making this website gave you that right?
you guys are right bradford is the best cutler is the worst sorry for having a differing opinion!
i tried to make it clear from my first post I'm a bradford fan not bashing him just the way i see it AS OF NOW...everyone hops on their high horse claiming the other boards are full of trolls and this one is so refreshing but right about now Its feeling a lot like group think...im not trolling just have a different opinion and that didn't seem to be taken too kindly..
Dude, i dont give a damn what it is your saying...you could be cussing me out, but at the end, i just smile cause of that hula-hoop girl! lol :jerkoff:A contested opinion has nothing to do with treating you unkindly. I think you're feeling persecution that isn't actually there.
A contested opinion has nothing to do with treating you unkindly. I think you're feeling persecution that isn't actually there.
Yeah, she's pretty fun to watch but I actually liked my exercise ball girl better.Dude, i dont give a damn what it is your saying...you could be cussing me out, but at the end, i just smile cause of that hula-hoop girl! lol :jerkoff:
I can't decide which is the best. Is it the bouncing juggs girl or the hula-hoop girl. Tough choice.
lets review...
my support of bradford was put in asterisks implying I'm lying and don't actually like him
Every point began with "uh, no"...where i come from thats disrespectful
not to mention the entirely condescending last paragraph..."care to put together a better analysis including the things i just mentioned" hmm...."only than will your opinion be taken seriously"
No, your inference is incorrect. I don't think anyone's questioning that you believe what you're writing, but you opened the can of worms by stating as fact that there is no debating your point of view.lets review...
my support of bradford was put in asterisks implying I'm lying and don't actually like him
Every point began with "uh, no"...where i come from thats disrespectful
not to mention the entirely condescending last paragraph..."care to put together a better analysis including the things i just mentioned" hmm...."only than will your opinion be taken seriously"
How did I question your fandom? I questioned your accuracy and the validity of your statements.First off, I'm not sure who you are to question my fandom, do you feel making this website gave you that right?
you guys are right bradford is the best cutler is the worst sorry for having a differing opinion!
i tried to make it clear from my first post I'm a bradford fan not bashing him just the way i see it AS OF NOW...everyone hops on their high horse claiming the other boards are full of trolls and this one is so refreshing but right about now Its feeling a lot like group think...im not trolling just have a different opinion and that didn't seem to be taken too kindly..