Rooting for Goff-- long article

[El Chapo Jr]

That's fine if you think pat recievers are just gonna keep playing bad but I wouldn't test that theory. I rather leave the gm in my qb hands vs pats hand everytime. I guarantee you they rather burn clock and score vs score on that play leaving 3-4 mins on the clock. The former we know for a fact wins the gm.

I'm just going to guess that Dan Campbell rather play to win instead of play not to lose. Like I said, agree to disagree.

 

[Memento]

Don't be Angry, Angry.

Need a Snickers?

"Eat a Snickers, @Angry Ram ."

"WHY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"You get a little hostile when you're Angry. Better?"

 

[Spider2YB]

Situations dictate progressions.
1 qb had zero timeouts, with under 30 seconds left in the 4th trying to get into fg range. The other was trying to take time off the clock while taking the lead (and they did). Completely different situations. Had Goff followed that guys advice they leave pat with more than 3 mins to do something.
Context matters

Wrong.

Goff acknowledged in the postgame he made the wrong read and the ball should’ve gone to ARSB.

 

[henry dyer]

sorry he lost the super bowl personally

 

[Memento]

sorry he lost the super bowl personally

Um, there were a lot of factors. Kupp was out. Gurley was injured and never really regained his form. Anderson wasn't doing it in that game. Cooks dropped two major passes. Donald was being triple-teamed.

Yes, Goff made a fair few mistakes, but to say he lost it personally? There were many factors why we lost, much like there are many factors why we won against the Bengals. And I'm not a giant Goff fan.

 

[Giles]

Wrong.

Goff acknowledged in the postgame he made the wrong read and the ball should’ve gone to ARSB.

Goff never said that in his presser matter of fact it wasn't even brought up. Plus that doesn't change my overall point.

 

[Corbin]

"Eat a Snickers, @Angry Ram ."

"WHY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"You get a little hostile when you're Angry. Better?"

Is that kinda like Grumpy Smurf?

 

[Loyal]

"Eat a Snickers, @Angry Ram ."

"WHY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"You get a little hostile when you're Angry. Better?"

"No. I'm still Betty White!" ~ @Angry Ram

 

[Ellard80]

it would be easier for me to cheer for the lions if i didn't know what was coming down the pipe if they keep winning...

 

[Loyal]

it would be easier for me to cheer for the lions if i didn't know what was coming down the pipe if they keep winning...

Especially if someone gets the MVP? lol

 

[majrleaged]

Just wanted to add this because the guy made a great point. I know its been beaten like a dead horse revived but I liked this tweet a lot


View: https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1700021130185060571?s=20

I have always been a Goff homer, But last night I was watching Goff be Goff and thinking, he is the same as he has always been. He just isn't a play maker. He makes great plays in the context of the system. He can move and think on his feet inside that system, but never outside of the box. He might win a SB, but it will be because he plays the system and it worked.

 

[XXXIVwin]

I have always been a Goff homer, But last night I was watching Goff be Goff and thinking, he is the same as he has always been. He just isn't a play maker. He makes great plays in the context of the system. He can move and think on his feet inside that system, but never outside of the box. He might win a SB, but it will be because he plays the system and it worked.

I'd agree that Goff is best in the context of a system. Frankly, he isn't much of a running threat-- if he were, maybe he'd be capable of more "off schedule" plays. But he's not.

But in fairness to Goff, I think there's one aspect where he isn't "the same as he has always been." In his last year (or two) with the Rams, for whatever reason, he was a turnover machine. But he has REALLY cleaned that up. He now owns the 3rd longest streak in NFL history of consecutive passes without an INT. 359 straight passes without an INT! Pretty amazing.

And yeah, he's still got an accurate rocket of an arm for those 20-30 yard intermediate routes.

Agreed that Goff is a "system" QB. But he really seems like he's hitting his prime in his ability to execute.

Lions' Jared Goff moves to No. 3 on NFL list of consecutive passes without an interception

Jared Goff's remarkable run continues.

www.detroitnews.com

 

[Spider2YB]

Goff never said that in his presser matter of fact it wasn't even brought up. Plus that doesn't change my overall point.

Yes he did, he literally said he saw ARSB but didn’t have time to re-set his feet to make the throw.

 

[FrantikRam]

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What I like is how everyone in the media and fans were laughing at Goff, telling us how awful he is as a qb. How it was all Mcvay.

Now, crickets. He has made them all look like fucking idiots twice in his career.

And that's why they all hate him. He makes them look like fucking idiots and it burns them up.

Haha, clowns.

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I don't go out of my way to think about or watch Goff. Aside from when they played us, this was the first game I watched and my big takeaway was that he's the exact same player, and thank God we made that trade

 

[FrantikRam]

About the game specifically, if the Chiefs just don't put Toney on the field the Chiefs win easily IMO. Can't recall seeing so many easy game changing drops

 

[XXXIVwin]

People often root for the underdog for obvious reasons.

In this case both the Lions and Goff fit that bill, so its easy to root for them.

Agreed.

AND people love a good "comeback" story, too.

People were ready to write off Goff after his last two mediocre years with the Rams and then his 0-8 start with the Lions.

I was at SoFi in October 2021 for the 5-1 Rams vs the 0-6 Lions. All the Lions fans I chatted with were NOT happy with Goff, that's for sure.

But now he's won everybody back over-- which is a great storyline.

 

[Lunchbox]

Good to see Goff doing well but, I just don't understand this fascination of cheering him on. I thank him for what he did for us and I wish him well, but when he plays, I could give 2 shits how he plays. If the player isn't a Ram, fuck em!

Haven't watched the game, seen the stats or watched the video that was posted of a situational play. Simply offering my reason for cheering Goff on even though he isn't a Ram anymore.

When Goff was traded I was very happy with the trade. His last couple of seasons here were less than inspiring and I believed a change was necessary for both the Rams and for Goff. That said, I was never comfortable with the way it went down, or the fact Goff was, to an extent, allowed to be made a scapegoat for the team's failings. Didn't feel it was a good look for McVay, Snead or the Rams.

Goff has always been a good guy, likeable, doesn't complain and doesn't deflect blame when things don't go well. He simply has a different leadership style than, say, Stafford.

I have no regrets about the trade that sent Goff to the Lions. Stafford did, after all, help us to a Super Bowl win. The team believes in him.

Goff is an easy guy to root for as are the downtrodden Lions and their fans. Campbell seems to be a great match for the Lions and Goff as well. I've enjoyed seeing him resurrect his reputation in Detroit and I enjoy their brand of football.

Like the article mentioned, it now appears to have been a win-win trade for all concerned. What's not to like?

 

[OntarioRam]

I've always been a big Goff fan. Very good QB. Very good teammate. Very pretty ball. He can make all the throws and has some serious touch on his deep ball when he opts to throw it. The world seems to forget just how good his arm talent is. He was a #1 overall pick for a reason. He also has a calming presence about him that I think can settle down teammates when required. He's tough, reliable, and never misses games. Guts it out when injured (see: playoff win with a broken thumb). Rarely throws INTs but is prone to fumbles, both in terms of ball security when hit, and his throwing wind up bringing the ball back far while also not being the quickest release. Which leads me to.... he does need protection.

All QBs needs protection of course. But Goff's spread between effectiveness when protected vs. ineffectiveness when under constant duress might be the biggest in the NFL. He goes from Pro Browl caliber to backup. I always found that surprising, as coming out of college, the tape suggested he would navigate that area of the game better. Regardless, it is no mystery he looked good as a Ram when the offensive line was strong, bad when it collapsed, and is now looking good again in Detroit behind a stout o-line.

He has definitely gotten better at reading defences since going to Detroit. He probably would not have if he stayed a Ram. You can't grow if you don't get opportunities, and McVay refused to stop hand holding. McVay has acknowledged being a bit of an untrusting control freak with the offense, in terms of play calling duties etc. I think the same applied to his handling of Goff.

More than anything, I think Goff's problem towards the end of his tenure in horns was a lack of confidence. And I think that can be largely be placed on McVay's shoulders. The dude completely scapegoated and sewered Goff and put him in the dog house. It's why I've never been a big McVay fan. I'm forever thankful for the results he has brought and the Super Bowl win. And he is a great coach. Top 5 easy IMO. But I find him fake and petty.

I hated the Goff-Stafford trade when it happened. Stafford was and is the better QB. But I didn't think the gap between them was worth two 1st round picks, when you also consider the age difference. I still think it probably isn't, if you try to quantify the talent gap in terms of draft pick value. But in the end, I thankfully proven wrong. The Rams won the Super Bowl and Stafford played incredibly well the entire run. We needed every last bit of whatever gap exists between them to pull it off. The trade was worth it!

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Haven't watched the game, seen the stats or watched the video that was posted of a situational play. Simply offering my reason for cheering Goff on even though he isn't a Ram anymore.

When Goff was traded I was very happy with the trade. His last couple of seasons here were less than inspiring and I believed a change was necessary for both the Rams and for Goff. That said, I was never comfortable with the way it went down, or the fact Goff was, to an extent, allowed to be made a scapegoat for the team's failings. Didn't feel it was a good look for McVay, Snead or the Rams.

Goff has always been a good guy, likeable, doesn't complain and doesn't deflect blame when things don't go well. He simply has a different leadership style than, say, Stafford.

I have no regrets about the trade that sent Goff to the Lions. Stafford did, after all, help us to a Super Bowl win. The team believes in him.

Goff is an easy guy to root for as are the downtrodden Lions and their fans. Campbell seems to be a great match for the Lions and Goff as well. I've enjoyed seeing him resurrect his reputation in Detroit and I enjoy their brand of football.

Like the article mentioned, it now appears to have been a win-win trade for all concerned. What's not to like?

Trust me, I totally see why he's likeable, but I'm a simple guy. I roll with the Rams and he isn't one anymore regardless of how it ended. If Goff balls out, good for him, I wish him no ill will whatsoever. With that said, still could care less how Goff's season ultimately goes since I'm too busy cheering on our current Rams players.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I have always been a Goff homer, But last night I was watching Goff be Goff and thinking, he is the same as he has always been. He just isn't a play maker. He makes great plays in the context of the system. He can move and think on his feet inside that system, but never outside of the box. He might win a SB, but it will be because he plays the system and it worked.

I agree that Goff needs more help to succeed, but he's definitely capable of doing well if that system is set in place. Even though I've said it multiple times, I could care less how he does, I actually think the Lions are a dark horse team in the NFC to go to the Superbowl. They've got some talent down there in Detroit.