Rams @Saints vent thread

[dieterbrock]

Sorry.. the shit that some of us may or may not have liked? Well.. they won the Super Bowl.. and that's the goal.

And.. yeah.. when THAT MANY injuries hit your oline... it's a good reason to have a shitty year and it exposes all the problems in margin areas.

Want the flip side? Look at teams who do everything "right".. but never get a Super Bowl.

Margins for victory are slim.. and the Rams had everything break right last year.

Sometimes things go the other way.

Not even close.
Blaming the oline is merely a red herring.
This team has many more issues than that.
And that’s why I have the faith that the same front office I blame will do what’s necessary to make the wholesale changes needed.

 

[Kupped]

Not even close.
Blaming the oline is merely a red herring.
This team has many more issues than that.
And that’s why I have the faith that the same front office I blame will do what’s necessary to make the wholesale changes needed.

It's not a red herring at all... it's the primary reason for the team's failure this season.

What you're missing here is that, sure.. there are plenty of areas the team could do things better. And, if you didn't think there were going to be some issues this year, what were you looking at?

People capitalizing what is an obvious, catastrophic injury situation to pontificate about other "problems" are just Monday morning QBs who are mad the Rams won the Super Bowl despite not doing things, "The Right Way", in my opinion.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Goddamnit.. every time I see Pollard score... argh

Well he is a FA after this year and we can go after him lol

 

[Merlin]

People capitalizing what is an obvious, catastrophic injury situation to pontificate about other "problems" are just Monday morning QBs who are mad the Rams won the Super Bowl despite not doing things, "The Right Way", in my opinion.

I don't even know where to start with this.

 

[dieterbrock]

My biggest frustration has been that we knew the run game had to be better but the moves to finish the OL this past offseason were subpar as fuck. Even had we suffered zero injuries we had pain in store. That OL was not good enough.

McVay hates drafting OL plain and simple. IMO he wants toys. The unsexy big guys and winning up front are not his priority and never have been. But this season has exposed our starting talent and depth badly. Like it or not depth has one job and that's to fucking play when the starters go down. It's been dominos though. None of these guys were able to hold up. Far as I'm concerned they have to be real smart about which of them they bring back. We need a huge OL investment this offseason and if McVay is not willing to do that then he should bail out because it will be more of the same next year. So it's that or he leaves and we start the rebuild with a new regime which would suck even more.

You cannot have passing game toys alone on offense.


Raheem needs better pieces in the secondary. But as it pertains to him being the DC it is also a philosophical question. Whether we keep Raheem or not investment must be made there on top of what they have to do with the OL.

And it also ties in with the bigger question of can this roster be fixed in one offseason. I'm not so sure even McVay can pull that off.

It’s been repeated ad nausem but for a team that alleges to want to run the ball, they haven’t had much success doing it save when Todd Gurley was playing on a sub human level.
McVay is gonna run his 11 personnel in to the gates of hell and while lining up Skow at FB was cool for a minute, it wasn’t going to be a long term solution.
I love McVay and hope he’s out coach for the next 10 years but god dang it, stop wasting quality picks 11 personnel toys like gadget receivers, TE who can’t block and rb after rb

 

[Ellard80]

It’s been repeated ad nausem but for a team that alleges to want to run the ball, they haven’t had much success doing it save when Todd Gurley was playing on a sub human level.
McVay is gonna run his 11 personnel in to the gates of hell and while lining up Skow at FB was cool for a minute, it wasn’t going to be a long term solution.
I love McVay and hope he’s out coach for the next 10 years but god dang it, stop wasting quality picks 11 personnel toys like gadget receivers, TE who can’t block and rb after rb

11 personell is the base grouping for nearly all nfl teams.

We also ran the ball well today - didnt seem to matter much.

 

[dieterbrock]

It's not a red herring at all... it's the primary reason for the team's failure this season.

What you're missing here is that, sure.. there are plenty of areas the team could do things better. And, if you didn't think there were going to be some issues this year, what were you looking at?

People capitalizing what is an obvious, catastrophic injury situation to pontificate about other "problems" are just Monday morning QBs who are mad the Rams won the Super Bowl despite not doing things, "The Right Way", in my opinion.

It’s the personnel the brain trust felt they could win with.
You yourself said they won it because every break went their way. Heck we all know they got a bit of luck.
That’s what you think is the right way? My lord that is so far off base.
But stick with the red herring and ignore the systemic issues, just sit back and wait for good luck

 

[dieterbrock]

11 personell is the base grouping for nearly all nfl teams.

We also ran the ball well today - didnt seem to matter much.

Nobody runs as much 11 as the Rams.

 

[Kupped]

I don't even know where to start with this.

Sorry.

We all have shit we think they should do differently.. but using this year to do a "see... I was right!!!" is just a bunch of bullshit, imo. Disagree? Fine. Don't care. The board is littered with that shit.. you'd think the Rams didn't win a Super Bowl last year and are a collection of the dumbest motherfuckers running a football team on earth.

 

[Ellard80]

Nobody runs as much 11 as the Rams.

two most heavy users of 11 personnel last season.

#1 Rams
#2 Bengals

 

[Kupped]

It’s the personnel the brain trust felt they could win with.
You yourself said they won it because every break went their way. Heck we all know they got a bit of luck.
That’s what you think is the right way? My lord that is so far off base.
But stick with the red herring and ignore the systemic issues, just sit back and wait for good luck

Just about every team that wins has most things break their way... this isn't a novel concept. Health is a big, big deal.
And, the Rams did have adversity last year.. and worked through it.

Again... CATASTROPHIC injuries on your oline will fuck everything up. Everything.

 

[Kupped]

It’s the personnel the brain trust felt they could win with.
You yourself said they won it because every break went their way. Heck we all know they got a bit of luck.
That’s what you think is the right way? My lord that is so far off base.
But stick with the red herring and ignore the systemic issues, just sit back and wait for good luck

By the way.. I think there are things they need to look at, sure!!
But I definitely think that some people view this as a "see.. I was right!!!" moment.
They are into multiple linemen who weren't even on the roster, because they had so many injuries. They were on LT number 3.. and may be on 4!!

 

[RhodyRams]

@Kupped

granted we are all pissed, but try to tone down your responses a bit please

 

[Merlin]

Sorry.

We all have shit we think they should do differently.. but using this year to do a "see... I was right!!!" is just a bunch of bullshit, imo. Disagree? Fine. Don't care. The board is littered with that shit.. you'd think the Rams didn't win a Super Bowl last year and are a collection of the dumbest motherfuckers running a football team on earth.

This is a vent thread. Perhaps you should make an OL defense thread and draw a line in the sand over there since obviously you are done defending the defense in the Raheem thread.

 

[TXRams86]

My vent is only that I wish we had shut down Stafford after the first concussion. There is absolutely nothing good coming from this season. We're absolutely decimated by injuries on the offensive line, our star players are getting hurt or are seemingly irrelevant for reasons we can all speculate on. Guys like Evans are playing when they should have been cut already. It's just a clusterfuck of a season and I don't know what to expect this offseason from McSnead.

 

[Kupped]

This is vent thread. Perhaps you should make an OL defense thread and draw a line in the sand over there since obviously you are done defending the defense in the Raheem thread.

That's a quaint response... seeing as I'm not defending any particular part of the team.

But.. go on. Tell me more about what I should do and think.

 

[Ellard80]

My vent is only that I wish we had shut down Stafford after the first concussion. There is absolutely nothing good coming from this season. We're absolutely decimated by injuries on the offensive line, our star players are getting hurt or are seemingly irrelevant for reasons we can all speculate on. Guys like Evans are playing when they should have been cut already. It's just a clusterfuck of a season and I don't know what to expect this offseason from McSnead.

i kind of agree... but we looked good in the 1st half - we go on a win streak there was still a possiblity.

Still was kind of early to give up... but yeah now wishing we would have given up.

 

[Mackeyser]

Prepare, folks because Perkins or Wolford, we’re not winning another game with either one. We’re not scoring more than 10 pts with either one.

Im not even mad, anymore, just disappointed.

For the rest of the season, we’re revisiting the end of 2016 (except I hope we keep the HC)

 

[TXRams86]

i kind of agree... but we looked good in the 1st half - we go on a win streak there was still a possiblity.

Still was kind of early to give up... but yeah now wishing we would have given up.

He did look good in the first half, I just thought to myself that this was inevitable - him getting hurt again - behind this offensive line. If not this game possibly the next, or the one after that. But I had absolutely no confidence in this line keeping him upright and healthy with McVay doing him no favors with play calling. We ran the ball better today but it seems like every time it's a one game fluke.

 

[SuperMan28]

Reasons for Rams bad season...

#1... Offensive Line.. and nothing else is close. Just a catastrophic number of injuries, it's truly a joke. A shit-ton of bad luck.. but if they don't roll with 10 on the 53 next year, they're just tempting fate, imo.




#2... Is down at least this far.. but I'd say personnel decisions this offseason. I think it's very fair to question spending big on Wagner and Robinson once Von was lost. They would've been much, much better off signing more, mid-level guys than signing the two they did. Really bad decision making in this area, imo.

#3... Mediocre drafting. Some of this is really hard to evaluate.. and distorted by the offensive line situation. Kids that can be serviceable in limited use are being asked to do more than they're capable of. Also.. with someone like Akers... how good/bad is he? I honestly have no idea at all if he's a serviceable back. I say mediocre and not bad because they've used top picks to bring in difference-makers.. and it's worked. But this is what happens when shit starts to go bad.

#4... McVay is having a bad year. He's looked much of the season like he did on the sideline in the Super Bowl against the Patriots. Wide-eyed and outmatched. He OF COURSE has earned the right to have a shit season.. but he's got to grow. Games like today.. fucking up when there was still a chance and ending up with that delay penalty.. that shit CANNOT happen. Period. Maybe it is time for him to delegate play calling.. because the TEAM needs more attention/leadership. It may also allow him to be more involved in personnel? Maybe? I'm not sure that would be a good or bad thing, but it's a thought. But, again... he's just been bad this season. Period.

#5... Defense. It was good enough to win games for a good stretch.. but is definitely falling apart. We have the vocal contingent that thinks Morris is the antichrist and that his "soft defense" is the only problem on the team. Well.. no. But, his unit played a poor game today.. and execution was the far bigger problem than scheme. Some of that is on Morris, some of that is on the players. On top of the scheme/execution questions is the reality the this team has serious personnel problems on defense. Shit edge rushers outside of Floyd.. who is just okay (dude plays hard and is a leader, for sure)... The drop-off from Ramsey to the #2 corner is just huge. Huge. Hill is a nice #3 corner who is flexible.. can play the slot and is decent in some zone stuff... but he ain't a full-time starter. Kendrick is a fucking 6th round rookie who runs a 4.7. Long is Long. What the fuck is going on with Rochell?????? Durant??? And Scott is playing about as well as he can.. he's supposed to be one of your weak links.. he's a 7th round draft pick. Rapp is Rapp.

I'll add that the personnel department needs to take a long, hard look at that "we don't need to go to the combine and senior bowl" stuff... I get the concept.. but they ain't hitting enough home runs to feel good about the model.

Number three is the key. First off, the sheer number of draft picks that have been traded away on top of who they've drafted. It is sustainable if you can hit day 3 gems. Otherwise the margin for error is slim.