Rams meeting with Jalen Milroe

[jrry32]

You got it.
Thrown ball moving faster than anyone running is a great analogy.
QBs need to concentrate on passing the ball. RBs need to concentrate on running the ball.
IMO if a QB concentrates too much on running the ball, his passing game has to suffer.

This is like saying that HBs shouldn't concentrate on receiving. It's an absurd stance. A QB who can beat you with his arm and legs is harder to defend than a QB who can only beat you with his arm. I'd love to have a Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, or Jayden Daniels on the Rams. It only makes our offense that much more dynamic to have a running threat at QB. It's not the 1980s anymore. Y'all need to get with the times.

 

[Merlin]

I'm fine with a mobile QB. He just has to be able to beat teams from the pocket. I don't want a QB who needs to run to move the chains.

The ideal "QB of modern times" is not a running QB. It's a QB who can win from the pocket, but is also capable of hurting you with his legs if your rush is careless.

Also that hasn't really changed. Elway was the best QB of his era, and he was that type of QB who could scramble if he needed, or scramble to buy time and kill you with his arm. Brady showed that it can be done without great mobility, but he did not change what had been demonstrated by guys like Tarkenton, Elway, Young, etc.

 

[jrry32]

I'm fine with a mobile QB. He just has to be able to beat teams from the pocket. I don't want a QB who needs to run to move the chains.

The ideal "QB of modern times" is not a running QB. It's a QB who can win from the pocket, but is also capable of hurting you with his legs if your rush is careless.

Also that hasn't really changed. Elway was the best QB of his era, and he was that type of QB who could scramble if he needed, or scramble to buy time and kill you with his arm. Brady showed that it can be done without great mobility, but he did not change what had been demonstrated by guys like Tarkenton, Elway, Young, etc.

Nobody wants a HB playing QB. If your QB can't move the chains from the pocket, he won't be your QB for long. The point is that having a QB who is capable of putting up 500-1000 yards on the ground is a huge weapon if he can also throw the ball well. Milroe needs work as a passer. If he didn't, he'd be going #1. He's a risk, but the upside is there. I'll defer to McVay on whether the juice is worth the squeeze. But I fully support looking for a dual threat QB this year or next. It will add a new dimension to our offense.

 

[PhillyRam]

Nobody wants a HB playing QB. If your QB can't move the chains from the pocket, he won't be your QB for long. The point is that having a QB who is capable of putting up 500-1000 yards on the ground is a huge weapon if he can also throw the ball well. Milroe needs work as a passer. If he didn't, he'd be going #1. He's a risk, but the upside is there. I'll defer to McVay on whether the juice is worth the squeeze. But I fully support looking for a dual threat QB this year or next. It will add a new dimension to our offense.

And you have to think with what McVay witnessed this year with Hurts, in those two losses to Philly, that he certainly understands and might be a bit jealous of not having a QB that can beak a defenses back with those 3rd and 10 scrambles for 30 yards.

So I do see Milroe as a real possibility if he is in fact that impressive of a kid in terms of mentality & leadership. Just might need a few yrs to develop.

And he is a guy that won't put any pressure on Stafford in terms of a QB controversy since he is very raw. Fans would understand that he needs time. Yet, he can still contribute to the offense as a gadget guy which would add the much needed explosive element to the offense.

 

[Merlin]

Milroe needs work as a passer. If he didn't, he'd be going #1.

He is a big project in the pocket. I think a team taking him round 1 would be taking him too high given that issue. He is no Richardson in arm talent either.

Round 3 he would be an acceptable value shot as a project in my estimation. At 26 it is too rich for me given his pass game performance. That is the most important element.

Also note I trust McVay on this. Won't complain if we take him. Will root for the kid, but I think their interest in him is smoke.

 

[jrry32]

He is a big project in the pocket. I think a team taking him round 1 would be taking him too high given that issue. He is no Richardson in arm talent either.

Round 3 he would be an accetable value shot as a project in my estimation. At 26 it is too rich for me given his pass game performance. That is the most important element.

Also note I trust McVay on this. Won't complain if we take him. Will root for the kid, but I think their interest in him is smoke.

I'd hope they could at minimum trade down. But I'll trust them if they make this call at 26. As for Richardson, he's nearly one of a kind in terms of arm talent. Can throw the ball a mile with the flick of a wrist. May have more arm than prime Mahomes and Favre. Unfortunately, he's still a mess mechanically and struggles to throw it accurately. No, Milroe doesn't have that kind of arm. But his arm is stronger than Hurts's, and he's thankfully more accurate than Richardson.

 

[gogoat1]

This is like saying that HBs shouldn't concentrate on receiving. It's an absurd stance. A QB who can beat you with his arm and legs is harder to defend than a QB who can only beat you with his arm. I'd love to have a Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, or Jayden Daniels on the Rams. It only makes our offense that much more dynamic to have a running threat at QB. It's not the 1980s anymore. Y'all need to get with the times.

Nope, QBs who run all the time TAKE from their teams. Its human nature.
Receivers are not going to give it their all, kill themselves to try and get open if their QB takes off and runs at the first sign of pressure.
There is no freaking way a QB who spends a lot of time in practice with run first plays will be as adept in the passing game. Going through all his reads. making it to the 3rd-4th receiver.
With a QB run first play the O line has to get the snap off, block the guy in front of you and the QB runs to a hole. Its a simpleton offense and one guy, the QB gets all the credit and glory. Its almost like a High School offense.
With a real deal NFL pass play many more offensive players are involved and the credit gets spread around. Its also much harder to accomplish. The O line needs to snap it to the QB and make their blocks. The QB needs to drop back in time, might fake a hand off to the RB. Multiple receivers go out on routes. QB needs to make his first read, if its not there go to 2nd or maybe even 3rd or 4th read. Make a accurate throw-in time. Receiver needs to get open. Identify the ball coming to him and it might be behind his head as he is flying downfield where he needs to look up for a split second and that ball better be there. Catch it and run. Other receivers might get in on the downfield blocks too. Its beautiful.
See, EVERYONE on offense gets credit. In the ultimate team game. Its good for all the players, they all feel good about their part in it.
All these guys have egos and want the ball too and why not ? They should want the ball, get their carries.
Show me all of Lamar's Pro Bowl WRs, Super Bowls ??? Vick ???
And I think the Rams and their QB are better than the ones who just won the damn thing. We have a better center and that parade just might have been in LA.
I do not need to get with the times. Run first QBs will never ever take over the NFL. NFL defenders are paid assassins and constantly risking your top player who has huge amounts effort in him from the players, coaches and owners is just dumb. One bad hit and you are on to your backup. QBs have so much into their development to throw caution to the wind.
QBs who can run when they need to, like Mahomes, I am fine with it. He does do a few designed runs and I think its nuts when that happens too.
The NFL is the ultimate team sport and for the good of the team as a whole everyone needs to get credit and the ball spread around.
Ravens, Flacco has a Super Bowl win, not Lamar.

 

[jrry32]

Nope, QBs who run all the time TAKE from their teams. Its human nature.

Last I checked, the yards and TDs count the same, whether it's passing or running.

Receivers are not going to give it their all, kill themselves to try and get open if their QB takes off and runs at the first sign of pressure.

Haven't seen anything while watching the Bills, Ravens, Commodes, etc. to back up this claim.

There is no freaking way a QB who spends a lot of time in practice with run first plays will be as adept in the passing game. Going through all his reads. making it to the 3rd-4th receiver.

Why would a OC or HC spend an inordinate amount of time in practice having his QB run the ball? Do you think McVay is going to do that?

With a QB run first play the O line has to get the snap off, block the guy in front of you and the QB runs to a hole. Its a simpleton offense and one guy, the QB gets all the credit and glory. Its almost like a High School offense.

Which NFL team with a mobile QB runs that offense?

With a real deal NFL pass play many more offensive players are involved and the credit gets spread around. Its also much harder to accomplish. The O line needs to snap it to the QB and make their blocks. The QB needs to drop back in time, might fake a hand off to the RB. Multiple receivers go out on routes. QB needs to make his first read, if its not there go to 2nd or maybe even 3rd or 4th read. Make a accurate throw-in time. Receiver needs to get open. Identify the ball coming to him and it might be behind his head as he is flying downfield where he needs to look up for a split second and that ball better be there. Catch it and run. Other receivers might get in on the downfield blocks too. Its beautiful.

You know what's even more beautiful? Having a QB who can do that and burn a defense for a 30 yard run with his legs if they don't maintain rush lane integrity and/or spy him.

See, EVERYONE on offense gets credit. In the ultimate team game. Its good for all the players, they all feel good about their part in it.

All these guys have egos and want the ball too and why not ? They should want the ball, get their carries.

Show me all of Lamar's Pro Bowl WRs, Super Bowls ??? Vick ???

Lamar's top WR, Zay Flowers, literally made the Pro Bowl back in February. Mark Andrews is a three-time Pro Bowler.

And I think the Rams and their QB are better than the ones who just won the damn thing. We have a better center and that parade just might have been in LA.

I do not need to get with the times. Run first QBs will never ever take over the NFL. NFL defenders are paid assassins and constantly risking your top player who has huge amounts effort in him from the players, coaches and owners is just dumb. One bad hit and you are on to your backup. QBs have so much into their development to throw caution to the wind.

Who is advocating for a "run first QB"? Lamar Jackson threw for 4172 yards and 41 TDs last year. That's a "run first QB"?

P.S. Our not very athletic QB missed a huge chunk of the 2022 season with an injury. Pocket passers get hurt too.

QBs who can run when they need to, like Mahomes, I am fine with it. He does do a few designed runs and I think its nuts when that happens too.

A legit dual threat QB will make our offense more difficult to defend.

The NFL is the ultimate team sport and for the good of the team as a whole everyone needs to get credit and the ball spread around.

Ravens, Flacco has a Super Bowl win, not Lamar.

I'd rather have the best offense possible. Flacco also has more Super Bowl wins than Josh Allen. That's not because Flacco was a better QB or because Josh Allen is too athletic to win a Super Bowl. You can't call football "the ultimate team sport" and then imply that one player is responsible for Super Bowl wins.

 

[dieterbrock]

There is some major upside to Milroe, the hand size is still an issue as the 29 fumbles in 3 seasons showcases that,

His hand size? 9 3/8 isnt small, in any event there is no correlation between hand size and fumbles.
And btw, your guy Lanoris Sellers led the NCAA in QB fumbles last year with 11....
Where did you see 29 fumbles?
I see only 16 for his career
Cam Ward 23
Will Howard 17
Kurtis Rourke 16
Jaxson Dart 14
Quinn Ewers 11
Kyle McCord 10
Sheduer Sanders 7 (only includes Colorado)

Cade Klubnik 17
Carson Beck 13
Lanoris Sellers 11
Nico Iamaleava 10
Arch Manning 3

 

[JonRam99]

sorry I saw 29 fumbles in 3 years, and went, "uhhhh, hard pass."

 

[dieterbrock]

sorry I saw 29 fumbles in 3 years, and went, "uhhhh, hard pass."

Where did you see that though?

Not here:

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[den-the-coach]

His hand size? 9 3/8 isnt small, in any event there is no correlation between hand size and fumbles.
And btw, your guy Lanoris Sellers led the NCAA in QB fumbles last year with 11....
Where did you see 29 fumbles?
I see only 16 for his career
Cam Ward 23
Will Howard 17
Kurtis Rourke 16
Jaxson Dart 14
Quinn Ewers 11
Kyle McCord 10
Sheduer Sanders 7 (only includes Colorado)

Cade Klubnik 17
Carson Beck 13
Lanoris Sellers 11
Nico Iamaleava 10
Arch Manning 3

His hand size measured smaller at the Senior Bowl....This was a significant increase from his measurement at the Senior Bowl, where his hands were slightly under 8 3/4 inches. This increase puts him within the generally desired 9-inch+ threshold for quarterbacks in the NFL.

As to the fumbles my bad on that, should have looked it up as it was reported on a podcast so that is my bad. Again at this point, I am in favor of the selection as compared to the other QB's including Ward, Milroe has the highest ceiling although McVay might have to adjust his play calling to take for this type of QB.

The statement about Jalen Milroe fumbling 29 times in 3 seasons is incorrect. While Milroe has had fumbles, he is not known for a high number of them.

Here's a more accurate overview:

• Noteworthy as a runner:
  Milroe is known for his strong running ability, scoring more rushing touchdowns (20) than passing touchdowns (16) in his last season at Alabama.
  
  
• Not a fumbling machine:
  While fumbles can happen in football, Milroe is not typically described as a player with a high propensity for fumbling.
  
  
• Other concerns:
  Some concerns about Milroe include his passing game accuracy and timing, and his need to improve his throwing mechanics.

 

[Memphis Ram]

@gogoat1
Pro Bowls isn't a strong argument either.

Running QB didn't stop guys like Julian Edleman, Brandin Cooks, Amani Toomer, Marques Colston, Joey Galloway from ever being Pro Bowlers. It's a popularity contest.

Besides, while the Ravens passing game had been more TE centric and Mark Andrews has been to a few Pro Bowls, WR Zay Flowers has won Rookie of the Year and has been to a Pro Bowl with Jackson as his QB.

And TE Alge Crumpler and WR DeSean Jackson received Pro Bowl bids with Michael Vick as their QB. And there's no doubt in my mind that Roddy White would have had one with Vick, too minus the suspension. But he was only a rookie during Vick's final season in ATL.

 

[AI-BOT]

Jalen Milroe fumble statistics by season:

• 2022: 4 fumbles, 2 lost
• 2023: 3 fumbles, 2 lost
• 2024: 9 fumbles, 6 lost

 

[CGI_Ram]

I the idea of a mobile QB.

I just don’t believe 2025 is the draft we look for Stafford’s replacement.

 

[dieterbrock]

His hand size measured smaller at the Senior Bowl....

Yes the senior bowl was incorrect, there were many other incorrect measurements that the combine straightened out.
Surely the combine would give the most accurate measurement since that is held by the NFL for NFL purposes
His hand size is 9 3/8, not that it makes a difference anyway

Edit- was also verified at his pro day

 

[Memphis Ram]

His hand size measured smaller at the Senior Bowl....This was a significant increase from his measurement at the Senior Bowl, where his hands were slightly under 8 3/4 inches. This increase puts him within the generally desired 9-inch+ threshold for quarterbacks in the NFL.

As to the fumbles my bad on that, should have looked it up as it was reported on a podcast so that is my bad. Again at this point, I am in favor of the selection as compared to the other QB's including Ward, Milroe has the highest ceiling although McVay might have to adjust his play calling to take for this type of QB.

The statement about Jalen Milroe fumbling 29 times in 3 seasons is incorrect. While Milroe has had fumbles, he is not known for a high number of them.

Here's a more accurate overview:

• Noteworthy as a runner:
  Milroe is known for his strong running ability, scoring more rushing touchdowns (20) than passing touchdowns (16) in his last season at Alabama.
  
  
• Not a fumbling machine:
  While fumbles can happen in football, Milroe is not typically described as a player with a high propensity for fumbling.
  
  
• Other concerns:
  Some concerns about Milroe include his passing game accuracy and timing, and his need to improve his throwing mechanics.

Dane Brugler's "The Beast" Draft Book lists the 29 fumbles over the past 3 seasons.

It also lists a hand size of 9 3/8" (combine) and 9 1/2" (Pro Day)

 

[Memphis Ram]

I the idea of a mobile QB.

I just don’t believe 2025 is the draft we look for Stafford’s replacement.

Listening to McVay's interview I don't believe that the team is going to spend a 1st rounder on a QB either.

For some reason I got the sense that Snead would if the opportunity presented itself, but I don't think that McVay would want to so it's not going to happen. That is, not unless Snead can talk him into it.

 

[dieterbrock]

I the idea of a mobile QB.

I just don’t believe 2025 is the draft we look for Stafford’s replacement.

Stafford is year to year and there is no guarantee next year draft will be any “better” than this draft.
I also am in belief that a year on the bench with Stafford/Mcvay makes him immeasurably better as a prospect and that’s what I compare to 2026 draft

 

[Tano]

Jalen Milroe fumble statistics by season:

• 2022: 4 fumbles, 2 lost
• 2023: 3 fumbles, 2 lost
• 2024: 9 fumbles, 6 lost

9 fumbles in 2024 is a lot for a college player. Plus his play against the teams with top defenses was not good at all.

He needs a lot of work. Again, I would not want him before the 5th round (if the Rams trade up or trade back) but he will definitely not last that long.