Rams: (#13) 1st Round QB Ty Simpson SIGNED

[El Chapo Jr]

I don't understand how ANYBODY can say Simpson will do good, or bad, once he becomes a starting NFL QB. I don't see how anybody can say with a fair amount of certainty, he won't be as good or will be better than insert name here. We just don't know.

As far as anybody else drafted from 2015 through 2025, there are starters and there are failures. In the last 11 drafts, I would say there are 11 guys who look good. Some better than others. Goff, Mahomes, Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Herbert, Lawrence, Caleb, Daniels, Maye and Nix. But remember Carson Wentz looked like the shit his first two years.....some said he would have won MVP if the Rams didn't break his leg......and then the bottom fell out. Watson was the shit for a few years. Murray was going to be a stud. Tua. Richardson. Etc.

They say you can't grade a draft for 3 or 4 years and I agree with that for the most part. There are exceptions. And then there are the guys who develop later than most. Darnold looked like shit for 6 years, went to the Vikings and looked great. Then won a Super Bowl last year. Mayfield was run out of Cleveland and Carolina. Now the Bucs would be dumb not to pay him. Lawrence didn't look great for a number of years. Liam Coen had him playing like a 13-4 QB last year!!!

We just don't know.

Is Daniels going to be a stud? He looked good as a rookie but so did Wentz. And Watson. Will Daniels develop further? Will Nix? Penix?

I can't be sure about any of them. Is Ty Simpson going to be great? Going to be a bum? We just don't know.

GTFOH with logic, we hate that shit

I'll take Mickey's word before anyone here about any player....

 

[Soul Surfer]

I thought Stroud was REALLY good after 2 years. Had him bordering Top 10. Took a step back to me this year. Lets see how it goes Year 4. Texans arent even sure they want to EXTEND him, as are Panthers with Young. Sometimes its better to wait. Bet Miami (Tua) and Arizona (Kyler) wish they did.

From what I understand, Houston pulled the trigger on his fifth year option.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

From what I understand, Houston pulled the trigger on his fifth year

From what I understand, Houston pulled the trigger on his fifth year option.

Yeah, THAT aint love, thats like. If they loved him they'd have guven him the Max Contract, which he's now ELIGIBLE for.

 

[Merlin]

Sure. But Wolford got injured early and Goff came in with his injured finger or thumb (I forgot) and they won the game.

Which backs up my take I think. Goff was ready to play and he got benched for an inferior QB in a playoff game. That's a big deal. Coach and QB don't come back from that.

 

[Soul Surfer]

Yeah, THAT aint love, thats like. If they loved him they'd have guven him the Max Contract, which he's now ELIGIBLE for.

Yeah I don't think anybody's looking at Stroud as a sure thing anymore.
Houston could be scouting quarterbacks right now as we speak.
Kind of a make or break season for Stroud in a way.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Which backs up my take I think. Goff was ready to play and he got benched for an inferior QB in a playoff game. That's a big deal. Coach and QB don't come back from that.

But wasn't that disagreement? Goff thought he was ready to play, but McVay didn't think so or something. If would make sense to not want a guy that fumbles a lot going out there with a thumb injury.

If there were no injury concern when this switch happened and there were comparable alternatives that offseason I might agree.

 

[WestCoastRam]

But wasn't that disagreement? Goff thought he was ready to play, but McVay didn't think so or something. If would make sense to not want a guy that fumbles a lot going out there with a thumb injury.

If there were no injury concern when this switch happened and there were comparable alternatives that offseason I might agree.

Yeah, Occam's Razor would suggest that Goff was injured, McVay was pissed at how he was sucking and the combination of the two lead him to go with Wolford.

Perhaps if Goff wasn't turning ball over and not running plays as designed, McVay would have chosen him even with the injury.

 

[Merlin]

But wasn't that disagreement?

Stop with the rationalizing. Goff was benched in that playoff game and was more than capable of playing. He was then traded that very offseason and never started for McVay again.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Stop with the rationalizing. Goff was benched in that playoff game and was more than capable of playing. He was then traded that very offseason and never started for McVay again.

This is also how I remember it.

 

[jrry32]

Stop with the rationalizing. Goff was benched in that playoff game and was more than capable of playing. He was then traded that very offseason and never started for McVay again.

I'm not sure what the genesis of this debate is, but purely talking about the Seattle playoff game, Goff was on the bench because he broke his thumb and had surgery two or three weeks earlier. He wasn't anywhere near 100%. Now, Wolford may have started over him if he hadn't broke his thumb, as McVay seemed pretty fed up with him, but we really don't know. What we do know is that Goff wasn't remotely healthy and only played because there wasn't a better option.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Stop with the rationalizing. Goff was benched in that playoff game and was more than capable of playing. He was then traded that very offseason and never started for McVay again.

Because it makes sense?

Goff didn't play the week before. Is it not possible that at the time McVay simply believed Wolford at 100% was a better option than Goff at let's say 70% or so?

We all know he was traded and never started for McVay again. But the question remains does that happen if Stafford didn't become available and join the team? What were the other alternatives that offseason for a team ready to compete? And especially for a coach you say needs his QB to be elite. A still unproven Wolford coming off a neck injury? Someone lesser than Goff?

Don't get me wrong. I remember calling for a Gardner Minshew option. Even brought back an old idea of signing a bunch of running QBs, treating them like RBs, and running a version of what the Ravens initially ran with Jackson. But I knew McVay was never going to do that.

I'm just saying, cooler minds could have prevailed that offseason sans Stafford. Especially with Goff coming in and helping the team win that playoff game in Seattle. Why? Because of the lack of other options at the time.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Because it makes sense?

Goff didn't play the week before. Is it not possible that at the time McVay simply believed Wolford at 100% was a better option than Goff at let's say 70% or so?

We all know he was traded and never started for McVay again. But the question remains does that happen if Stafford didn't become available and join the team? What were the other alternatives that offseason for a team ready to compete? And especially for a coach you say needs his QB to be elite. A still unproven Wolford coming off a neck injury? Someone lesser than Goff?

We can only speculation but I agree with this.

Although, I believe McVay wanted to move-on from Goff, if Stafford had not been available ... or ... if the Niners (or another team) had acquired him instead of the Rams ... my thought has always been Goff would have been the Rams' QB in 2021.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Because it makes sense?

Goff didn't play the week before. Is it not possible that at the time McVay simply believed Wolford at 100% was a better option than Goff at let's say 70% or so?

We all know he was traded and never started for McVay again. But the question remains does that happen if Stafford didn't become available and join the team? What were the other alternatives that offseason for a team ready to compete? And especially for a coach you say needs his QB to be elite. A still unproven Wolford coming off a neck injury? Someone lesser than Goff?

Don't get me wrong. I remember calling for a Gardner Minshew option. Even brought back an old idea of signing a bunch of running QBs, treating them like RBs, and running a version of what the Ravens initially ran with Jackson. But I knew McVay was never going to do that.

I'm just saying, cooler minds could have prevailed that offseason sans Stafford. Especially with Goff coming in and helping the team win that playoff game in Seattle. Why? Because of the lack of other options at the time.

Disagree. McVay would have moved heaven and earth at the time in my opinion to get a different Quarterback. If it wasnt Stafford he would of went hard after Aaron Rodgers, (quasi available) Deshaun Watson (very available), he was DONE with Goff after 2020.

 

[Ramstien]

I will bottom line it, Stafford > Goff.

 

[Twopointtry]

I don't understand how ANYBODY can say Simpson will do good, or bad, once he becomes a starting NFL QB. I don't see how anybody can say with a fair amount of certainty, he won't be as good or will be better than insert name here. We just don't know.

Hit the nail on the head. 100% agree. It is why I shake my head when I see fans of various teams or talking heads on TV say that some vet QB needs to get benched and some rookie (including guys who were Day 3 draft picks) get a start late in the season, to "see what you have" in the QB. Really, one game, you'll know whether the QB will be good from one NFL game?

The year Tom Brady was drafted, I naively thought he was going to be a 1st round pick. To begin the season, he was the 4th string QB for the Patriots. The 2nd season, they signed a veteran QB, because they weren't sure Brady would be ready to be the team's backup that year.

I don't really care how Simpson looks in camp or preseason games this year. Barring some miracle season where Stafford gets hurt and Simpson becomes a Kurt Warner type hero who leads the Rams to the Super Bowl, this story will take several years to play out. There could be many twists and turns, ups and downs. Plenty of opportunities for us to say "See, I was right all along about that guy" regardless of whether we had positive or negative takes on the draft pick.

Personally, I see both good and negative things on his tape, so I'm basically in the middle ground when it comes to Simpson. If I had to predict how I think he'll turn out, I'd say he does eventually become our starting QB, but he doesn't play well enough to be considered a truly elite QB who is regularly Pro Bowl or All Pro level. In other words, about 7 years from now, there will be Rams fans complaining about Simpson and saying it was a bad pick and I'll post a comment about how he wasn't taken in the top 10 overall, so it was still worth a 1st round pick to get him and he's not a bust.

If something happens to me before then and I'm no longer among the living, just program an AI bot to imitate me and it can post that comment.

 

[Twopointtry]

But the question remains does that happen if Stafford didn't become available and join the team? What were the other alternatives that offseason for a team ready to compete? And especially for a coach you say needs his QB to be elite. A still unproven Wolford coming off a neck injury? Someone lesser than Goff?

I'm just saying, cooler minds could have prevailed that offseason sans Stafford. Especially with Goff coming in and helping the team win that playoff game in Seattle. Why? Because of the lack of other options at the time.

While I think that the relationship between McVay and Goff was broken, I agree with you to some extent. Winning has a way of magically curing some of the personal conflicts within a team. Still, if the Rams hadn't traded for Stafford, I think what would have happened is that eventually they would have dumped Goff anyway and that Baker Mayfield would today be our starting QB. In which case, just as there's contract drama with him in Tampa, the Rams still draft Simpson, just to give them some insurance and leverage, so we're still having this same discussion in that alternate universe. Only, I'm better looking with more money in that universe and Ohtani is still playing for the Angels.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Hit the nail on the head. 100% agree. It is why I shake my head when I see fans of various teams or talking heads on TV say that some vet QB needs to get benched and some rookie (including guys who were Day 3 draft picks) get a start late in the season, to "see what you have" in the QB. Really, one game, you'll know whether the QB will be good from one NFL game?

The year Tom Brady was drafted, I naively thought he was going to be a 1st round pick. To begin the season, he was the 4th string QB for the Patriots. The 2nd season, they signed a veteran QB, because they weren't sure Brady would be ready to be the team's backup that year.

I don't really care how Simpson looks in camp or preseason games this year. Barring some miracle season where Stafford gets hurt and Simpson becomes a Kurt Warner type hero who leads the Rams to the Super Bowl, this story will take several years to play out. There could be many twists and turns, ups and downs. Plenty of opportunities for us to say "See, I was right all along about that guy" regardless of whether we had positive or negative takes on the draft pick.

Personally, I see both good and negative things on his tape, so I'm basically in the middle ground when it comes to Simpson. If I had to predict how I think he'll turn out, I'd say he does eventually become our starting QB, but he doesn't play well enough to be considered a truly elite QB who is regularly Pro Bowl or All Pro level. In other words, about 7 years from now, there will be Rams fans complaining about Simpson and saying it was a bad pick and I'll post a comment about how he wasn't taken in the top 10 overall, so it was still worth a 1st round pick to get him and he's not a bust.

If something happens to me before then and I'm no longer among the living, just program an AI bot to imitate me and it can post that comment.

If Simpson is ON the team 7 years from now i believe it CANNOT be considered a bad pick. That would mean we gave him a 2nd Contract and is worthy of Pick 13 without us having to give up major Draft Capital in a trade up.

Part of the beauty in this pick, IMHO.

There is definitely a chance he can end up mid, but we have to keep in mind, his selection basically allowed for the McDuffie and Garrett trades, and subsequently AD returning (which I believe is happening).

 

[dieterbrock]

So this is a rehashed Jared Goff thread now?
Good grief
Bennett being #2 is simply because he's in his 4th year in the system and should have the plays down and can run an effective practice while they work Simpson in

 

[Allen2McVay]

So this is a rehashed Jared Goff thread now?
Good grief
Bennett being #2 is simply because he's in his 4th year in the system and should have the plays down and can run an effective practice while they work Simpson in

Tremendous point ... now let's get back to this Goff discussion. And, what about that Eric Dickerson trade!?!

Maybe I should start a thread about the Les Richter deal.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

So this is a rehashed Jared Goff thread now?
Good grief
Bennett being #2 is simply because he's in his 4th year in the system and should have the plays down and can run an effective practice while they work Simpson in

AND, regardless of the Rams long-term prognosis of Simpson, which is, "Franchise Quarterback of the Future, " they might not want him "one snap away" from being prematurely thrown into the fire before he's ready. Shouldn't be that hard to grasp.