albefree69 said:
CoachO with a loose connection:
I guess the part where you and I aren't connecting, is I don't know what you mean by him not playing that way.... or what did he do LAST YEAR that makes you think he played selfishly?
Did he give up some easy TDs, (Miami) for example. Of course. But I think we view that differently. That play, IMO, was an inexperienced CB, getting caught "peeking" in ZONE coverage, which is not all that uncommon. That same "technique" seemed to turn out well enough in the Cardinal game with the "pick 6's".
That's part of what I have a problem with. Just because "bad technique" turned out well occasionally doesn't make it "good technique" in my mind. I agree that peeking into the the backfield is common but he wasn't just peeking he was making a documentary film. :lol:
I also think, you seem to have an issue with all the balls that were caught in front of him, due to the "off coverage" that was deployed so often last year. Again, IMO, more of a scheme issue than anything he did or didn't do because of his "style" of play.
That wouldn't be correct. I have no problem with that at all because that's a pure Fisher thing. He was targeted 7 times and allowed 6 receptions and you don't hear me complaining about the other 5. Even the one I'm talking about didn't have anything to do with his coverage. It had to do with his priorities.
After seeing the entire scheme of the defense geared to more MAN coverage in training camp (notice I did NOT say in Preseason GAMES), I think you will be pleasantly surprised by his cover skills.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Again, I am basing this opinion more on the type of defense they were forced to play LAST YEAR due to the coverage shortcomings of their safeties, than it being a statement of their CBs.
Yeah I heard that all last year and I blame that on Fisher too. But that doesn't change the fact that his play could best be termed as average at best. Other than the turnovers of course. I fully understand it's like saying "Hank Aaron didn't have a good career if you don't count his home runs" but you can't count on getting turnovers . I don't want him to be thinking about getting picks at the cost of good coverage and I think that's what he's doing. I can't read his mind so I could easily be wrong but it's my impression. I haven't given up on him yet so if he turns it around I'll be more than happy to say I was wrong.
Obviously, you are entitled to your opinion. But I think you are playing "mind reader" in your assessment. I am not that good, to KNOW what a player is thinking by the way he plays. Especially when we are not privy to the scheme.
I understand all the hype, which naturally comes from the 4 TDs. But I think you are forming an opinion based on variables none of us are aware of.
All I have said, was based on what I see from the guy in practice, there is NOT one shred of evidence of him being a "diva". He seems to be genuinely liked by his teammates. He is continually part of the mix of players when he is on the sidelines during drills.
One of the things I pay attention to, and firmly believe. In sports, and in life, people gravitate to others they perceive to be their peers. On a football team, one notices that the "starters" all tend to group together. Regardless of position.
When they come out before practice, you will find guys like Conrath, Brodine, and Cudjo all hangin out together. Find Brandon Washington, and you're likely to see Ty Nsekhe close by. You see Cody Davis and Rashard Hall, walking together or tossing the ball around. You see Courtland, Trumaine and Janoris.
The only reason I mention this, is it tells me, he is very TEAM oriented, and hangs with the "guys" and they with him.
One other observation about the Givens rivalry in practice. I have heard from more than one source, they are very close friends. I think that drives them both to compete against one another. Again, I mention this, as further indication of how he interacts with is teammates.
Just don't see the diva that you see.
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