Question. Is building a competitive roster in ‘23 even doable, realistically?

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Simply put, if the Rams can fix their OL and have reasonably good health there, they are going to be competitive.
Yes offensively it's all about the OL. We have talent. Not Super Bowl depth across that unit or anything but we have talent on offense if the OL can do its job.

Defensively is another story. But maybe we see an influx of some young talent to help them not be terrible.
 

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It's always possible that we can do well draft wise but I think it's highly unlikely that we field a good team. Competitive doesn't exactly lead to wins. Going to be a lot of growing pains with a young, inexperienced team.
 

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Realistically doable, yes.
Probable, not likely.
 

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You have to also factor in growth and development of young players already on our roster.

So is it doable, absolutely. Will they be? We shall see
 

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So today it’s being said (Schrags on the McAfee show) that the Rams offered to have McVay take a year off and come back in 2024. And that he was considering it.

That’s odd to me - especially a team that has Stafford, AD and Kupp. How would that even work inside and out of the lockerroom? Let alone on the field.
 

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So today it’s being said (Schrags on the McAfee show) that the Rams offered to have McVay take a year off and come back in 2024. And that he was considering it.

That’s odd to me - especially a team that has Stafford, AD and Kupp. How would that even work inside and out of the lockerroom? Let alone on the field.

Dude was having a mental breakdown, too many things hit the poor guy in one year. Pretty sure they considered giving him that mental break. Treat it like an illness, and have a interim coach. Maybe he acts as consultant but not day to day.
 

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I don’t think too many miracles are required to field a good team this year—a playoff team, possibly.

First and foremost, an Edge/OLB to replace floyd is needed and well within the Rams’ reach.

A starting OL, probably at either Center or Tackle would be best. The Rams have several players who can play guard. A Center kicks Shelton into that mix. A Tackle could move Jackson inside.

Hitting on those two picks alone, puts the Rams back in the game. The offense can breathe and execute, putting up more points. With a decent pass rush, the young secondary stands a chance.

Playoff team? Well, that requires 2 more significant upgrades on defense and one on offense. Much harder to pull off, but not impossible.
1) stopping the run without gaines and arob becomes a lot tougher unless there is significant improvement from the existing personnel or a draft steal. A top tier CB has to emerge or be acquired. That puts the defense back in business.
2) the offense needs to have another weapon, preferably a TE who can block in the running game and catch the ball.

Don’t give up yet, we’re still undefeated and tied for 1rst in the division.
 

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Lots of talent on the roster still and I can see us being competitive. If our OL doesn't send Stafford into early retirement, we add a pass rusher or 2, and some guys in the defensive backfield step up, this team is going to surprise people.
 

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Competitive doesn't exactly lead to wins. Going to be a lot of growing pains with a young, inexperienced team.

Therein lies the rub. A lotta guys saw valuable action last year, down the stretch. They held their own and played well at times vs the bottom tier teams but got murdered vs the good teams.

Who knows? A couple just might make that jump.
 

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The easy path:

Rams succeed: “Yay! The Rams are winning!”

Rams fail: “Yay! I was right!”

I’m still predicting we make the playoffs. If I’m wrong, so be it.
I hope you're right... But given the massive cuts in the roster, I just don't see how such a prediction can realistically be made at this point. Before the draft and before any free agent signings.

Let's see how all that goes. Then let's see what the revamped roster looks like in training camp. Hopefully there might be a solid basis for some degree of optimism at that point.
 

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We shall see soon enough.

The Ram offense was easily handled by every playoff caliber defense it faced last year well before injuries turned the unit into a complete shambles.

10 pts at Buffalo opening week.
9 pts against the 49ers 2 weeks later
10 pts against the Cowboys the following week
14 pts in the 49er rematch.
13 pts the following week against the Bucs.

See a pattern developing there yet? (I'll spare everyone the horrifying rushing stats in those losses)

No real firepower has been added anywhere on the Offensive side.

Sorry, but to me that is not encouraging, at all

As an example, Ngakoue is a UFA and he would be an upgrade as a pass rusher to Floyd. You think Kupp, Jefferson, A. Robinson, Atwell and Skowronek are scrubs?

Did you watch last season? There were injuries all over the team. Look how many games Stafford and Kupp missed. Their OL were guys off the street things were so bad.

When the Rams signed John Sullivan he was a 35 years old FA, Andrew Whitworth look at how old he was and both were thought to be beyond their prime. Austin Corbett was riding the bench as a failed center. So you don't believe that someone like Zach Thomas can play? Let's ignore that Jackson was an UDFA but showed he can play well at both OG and OT. Shelton bounced around before he got to LA but he's played well and projects as the Rams starter at center from 2024 on. They drafted Bruss for a reason. He projected then as their starting RG, so how has that changed?

Kupp had his second injury so that should make him injury prone right? Let's cut him.

Ramsey was beginning to become a disgruntled player, so the Rams got him out of the lockerroom. He dictated where he wanted to go, i.e. the Dolphins so the Rams accomodated him. They got Hunter Long TE who projected as a 3rd or 4th round pick in his draft just like Higbee. Also like Higbee he evaluated as a receiving TE not a blocking TE. Hunter could be the next Higbee starting at TE next year.

Losing Gaines IMO hurt but put that on Morris. He insists on playing a 0T, two gap NT and Gaines is strictly a one gap DLman. In the secondary Rochell showed as a rookie he's better than David Long who again Morris preferred. IMO the hiring of Aubrey Pleasant could reflect a declining confidence in Morris as a DB coach, i.e. coaching up the players on how to play their positions. Pleasant really emerged under Staley and that secondary played fast and aggressive. Pleasant's leaving was due to clashes with Glenn who like Morris wanted to play a read/react Fangio style defense. But unlike Morris, Aaron Glenn found out that style doesn't translate when playing in the secondary. DBs need to read / anticipate and that's how they get turnovers. When they read/react they are always too late. It doesn't seem like much to the fan, but on the field it's a totally different type of secondary play. DBs need to anticipate to jump a route at it's top. That is the only way they can get PDs and INTs.

This team is going to be different in some ways IMO. Not necessarily worse, just different which in fact could be better. Be honest I bet you were one of those who were critical of the 2021 OL, calling for early draft picks to replace a lot of them. IMO the biggest weakness was at LG with David Edwards. Havenstein was even then showing a decline in his ability to handle speed and power. He's never been good at it but when you really evaluate his play it's mediocre at best right now. Looking at his cap, next year, he will be gone and Jackson will most likely be his replacement. What I'm saying is that the most maligned unit the OL might not be as bad as people think. IMO they will be better than the 2021 version and they won a Lombardi with that one.

The Rams will have their entire starting offensive skill players returning. If they stay healthy, they are a match for any defense. The defense simply needs to play more aggressively and I think they will. Edge will be addressed as well as ILB after the loss of Wagner, and CB after the loss of Ramsey. Both Hoecht and Murchison flashed enough last year to be optimistic about them this year. Copeland returns to provide good depth inside as well. Durant looked good last year and Fuller will be back.

IMO the negativity on this board is more a reflection of fairweather than reality. The basic core of this Super Bowl team is still intact on the offense. The D needed changes and there will be those changes. So what is so horribly wrong now as opposed to 2021? People complained about that team before the season as well.

C'mon no team has ProBowl players at all 22 starting positions. That is a fantasy, not reality.
 

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There is a difference between being a guy who doesn't like something and being the guy who is shitting his pants in the foxhole.
Thankfully, our best players are good foxhole guys...that redounds to our benefit.
 

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Therein lies the rub. A lotta guys saw valuable action last year, down the stretch. They held their own and played well at times vs the bottom tier teams but got murdered vs the good teams.

Who knows? A couple just might make that jump.
I definitely think that's the plan the Rams have in mind. I do expect some players to make a good jump, but not enough where we have a good team record wise. I'm sure this will allow the Rams time to evaluate where we need to add on in FA in 2024 and also where to prioritize our draft as well. It's a smart approach, not the one I would have taken, but it will largely depend on young player development and hitting on quite a few draft picks from last year (since it's too early to judge them) and this year. There's always a risk they don't get it right or knock it outta the park. Going to be interesting to see how it works out.
 

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In 2017 we carried over from the previous year: Goff, Gurley, Saffold, Donald, Quinn and a young Havenstein and Joyner.
We added Whitworth, Sullivan and Woods in FA and drafted Everett, Kupp and JJ3 and a bunch of JAGs.

In 2018 we subtracted Sammy Watkins and added Brandin Cooks and Ndamukong Suh in FA, and traded for Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib. The only rookies of note were Noteboom, Allen and Darious Williams.

Our current roster still has Donald, Kupp, Havenstein and Stafford (instead of Goff). Throw in some young, promising DL's, Ernest Jones at LB, and I fail to see how, over the next two years we can't turn over this roster like we did in 2017 and 2018.

Granted we don't have a Gurley or Quinn and can't afford a Whitworth even if there was another like him. What we can do is try to draft a few good starters, be creative with trades and low cost FA signings in 2023, and attack the 2024 season in FA and the draft like we did in 2017.

Anyone remember that 11-5 season after the humiliation of 2016?
 

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I hope you're right... But given the massive cuts in the roster, I just don't see how such a prediction can realistically be made at this point. Before the draft and before any free agent signings.

Let's see how all that goes. Then let's see what the revamped roster looks like in training camp. Hopefully there might be a solid basis for some degree of optimism at that point.
True dat.

Just like some don't see how an opposite prediction can realistically be made prior to the draft and any free agent signings.

We lost Edwards, Evans, Brewer, Floyd, Ramsey, Wagner, Long, Hill, Scott, Rapp, Gaines, A'Shawn, Gay, Orzech and Dixon. Sounds like a lot. 15 guys. Not only that but some of these guys are being portrayed as legitimate starters (which they aren't) and of the guys who were starters, some are being portrayed as quality starters (which they weren't). Truth is, it looks worse than it is.

We lost 1 great starter (Ramsey) and 3 good starters (Floyd, Wagner and A'Shawn) on defense. Does anybody think Scott can't be replaced? Gaines? Rapp can be replaced easily. As can Hill. Long? LMFAO.

Special teams are important but there are more good PK, P and LS than there are teams.


So Ramsnation (and the media) are overstating the losses IMHO. Much of the talent will be replaced, some may be improved upon. The most difficult thing will be to mold them into a cohesive defense. And that's where coaching comes in.
 
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I'm under the assumption that Snead wants a top 5 pick next year, as part of the plan. :thinking: :sunglasses:
 

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Rams competitiveness will have more to do with the 49ers and Seahawks having a season like we had last year than what we end up doing or not doing.

(But a great draft and healthy players will certainly help!)
 

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Rams competitiveness will have more to do with the 49ers and Seahawks having a season like we had last year than what we end up doing or not doing.

(But a great draft and healthy players will certainly help!)

Really ? Good luck with that.

I guess your answer is NO!
 

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Personally, I think our team will have more exposed “cracks” than a plumbers convention. But(t) we won the ONE game we had to win on our own turf, The Super Bowl!

It’s hard to imagine the Rams being competitive now. I expect Snead will be aggressive in the draft and trade back for all the sixth rounders he can acquire. He will also have to lean on those up-and-comers that flashed potential last year, like Tutu.

To be a fly on the wall in the Ram’s war room would be interesting.
 
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I would like to be a fly on the wall to hear the pitch that has been given to Staff,Kupp, and Donald....What was said to them? Stafford and Donald have a few seasons left, what do you say to the vets who are left? I'll give it a shot....ahem...." You 3 are our glue...you 3 make our team better than good. Trust Les and Sean to bring in young guns who are eager to play with you 3...they will rise to your level of professionalism because you will demand it by your example. All we need is a little protection for Matt...and a little crease for Akers and the rest. There are plenty of FA's in this upcoming draft to give you more than you need, and we will add a few surprises from the Free Agents out there. Do not worry about the teammates we will surround you with, stay focused on what you can control...we will be better than people think we will...we will surprise people by how good we will be, because we will be underestimated, the best place to cause trouble...and when we get to the playoffs, people will say it was because of your leadership and commitment to your team...our time is STILL NOW!!!" Ok...have at it and give me your speech to these 3
I’ve said it a long time ago.
First thought The Rams would go after Montgomery.Instead a total FIRE SALE in a sense.Just let everyone walk. -I’d draft say the RB from TCU(ucla).

Floyd was nice.but undersized.The Rams (are)can BEEF UP & hoecht should be working on his first step. He has a lot of film to work with & get some more pass rush skill.He is a hard worker.—The Olayer I predicted The Rams would get & maybe also an inside job is Kaulah Mack.Olaying with AD99 would be Ideal for him.