New Report on Seattle's 2 Point Conversion (and this is really bullcrap if true)

[dieterbrock]

Agreed, that's a separate whole layer to this thing that's definitely controversial.

Most NFL observers (who aren't Rams fans) think the NFL ultimately made the correct ruling.

The fact that McAulay CALLED them to alert them to their mistake is unusual to say the least.

Here's an interesting segment about it.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CRhfhQG6Ykg

This is what the thread has been about from the very start

 

[sloramfan]

well i agree with merlins post near the beginning of this thread... (first few pages)

after the BS call the rams just weren't good enough to put the hawks away...

let's hope they reload and load up, cuz we are definitely in the leagues toughest arms race with seattle..

buckle up for next year fellas...

go rams

slo

 

[majrleaged]

Believe me, as a Ram fan I'd prefer to think they got it wrong. I'm just trying to be true to a sense of integrity.

We've already re-hashed a bunch of these specific points on this thread... each individual point is awfully damn close.

As far as whether or not the pass was a lateral, THAT part was pretty darn conclusive. The replay was conclusive on that, it definitely was NOT a forward pass.

Bottom line, I sure as hell wish the Rams won that game!

I don't agree. The QB lets go of the ball just in front of the 5 yard line and Verse contacts the ball in front of the 5. Just because the receiver is standing behind the 5 doesn't mean the ball would have been behind. They lead them all the time. Everybody is being influenced by where the receiver is standing. It really is not conclusive. It is very close, but that is the point of inconclusive. Nothing about this over turn is correct.

 

[Flint]

The NFL can’t wait for this to go away. Was it clear and obvious that that was a backward pass? If not, then it probably shouldn’t have been overturned.
It’s also an embarrassment for the league, they have three layers of officiating, and none of them caught this. Officials on the field, replay assist in the booth and officials in NY. Guys like Foolio are saying, “as long as they go it right,” but why did this guy decide to intervene on this play and not others? Considering how all the leagues are in bed with gambling you can’t have someone affiliated with a network and not the NFL calling in advising the officials.
Also, has anyone really explained the ruling? Is a lateral that is never possessed and ends up going forward still a lateral or does it become a fumble?
The league made a rule prohibiting anyone other than the player who fumbled from advancing the ball, but in a case like this the receiver never touched it
It doesn’t seem at all clear what the ruling should be in which case I’d say go with the call on the field.

 

[Turducken]

I get that the thread is about McAulay, and it feels inappropriate that he can call and get them to initiate a review after all that time has passed, but if I'm being frank, I think the goal should be getting the call right. So if he's right and it results in the call being the right one, I'm not going to make a stink. My issue here is that I believe the call was the wrong one, and if the call is right according to the rules they need to change the rule.

I think it was the wrong call also, but I've learned to accept some human error in games.

Even if this call was ultimately "correct", it was debatable under the circumstances. The reversal was initiated long after it was over by an (interested) third party's call.

The whole thing is extremely dubious, and the more the league tries to defend whether the ultimate call was correct, the less I believe them.

 

[Da-Rock]

With this bad call against the Rams does it make us even with the Football gods for the Saints game?

 

[Snaz]

Refs were against us because of the Puka calling out that game.
NFL Refs Went Full Extra on This Cooper Kupp Catch

 

[majrleaged]

With this bad call against the Rams does it make us even with the Football gods for the Saints game?

I kind of thought that the INT finally got us even for all the non calls in that game. Still leaving us way behind on all the non calls in the 1st Pats SB and the holding that called Gurley's run back.

 

[Flint]

With this bad call against the Rams does it make us even with the Football gods for the Saints game?

 

[XXXIVwin]

I don't agree. The QB lets go of the ball just in front of the 5 yard line and Verse contacts the ball in front of the 5. Just because the receiver is standing behind the 5 doesn't mean the ball would have been behind. They lead them all the time. Everybody is being influenced by where the receiver is standing. It really is not conclusive. It is very close, but that is the point of inconclusive. Nothing about this over turn is correct.

Look, it brings me no joy to supply video evidence, but facts are facts. I'm just as upset by this loss as everyone else on here.

The call had many different layers to it, no doubt about that. A LOT of crazy and controversial stuff on this play.

But it was DEFINITELY a backward pass.

The points to be compared are: (A) when the ball leaves Darnold's hand and (B) when the ball makes contact with Verse.

Reminder: the rule only stipulates that for the ball to be "live", the ball had to be either backward or PARALLEL to the line of scrimmage. So the threshold for "conclusive" is to prove that that THE BALL DIDN'T TRAVEL FORWARD.

I'm not a techie guy, but here are 3 still photos I snapped from the crucial overhead view.

Pic # 1: Ball just about to leave Darnold's hand. Just a shade behind the 4-yard line.

Pic# 2: The ball right after it was released, again just a bit behind the 4 yard line, but clearly heading backward.

Pic # 3: The ball just as Verse touches it with his hand/forearm. As we all can plainly see, the ball has gone backward, and is now closer to the 5 yard line than it is to the 4 yard line.

As I say, it's a bummer. Conclusive video evidence this was NOT A FORWARD PASS.

Hey, we're all Rams homers. And over the decades we've had some bullshit calls for us and some bullshit calls against us. And for me personally, this game was a heartbreaker in that we were so unbelievably close to securing home field advantage.

But yeah, I kinda wish somebody on ROD could step up to the plate and at least acknowledge it was a backward pass. Kinda frustrating.

Hey, I can respect people who are pissed that McAuley called the video replay guys to "alert" them. Definitely fishy. And the whole "inadvertent whistle" thing is complicated as hell and has a ton of different precedents and is a rule that needs to be clarified and revisited.

But was it a backward pass? Yeah, it was. On that SPECIFIC point, there's no dispute.

 

[RamFanWA]

Still pisses me off that the booth gets a challenge flag.... And your coach doesn't...