Verse sounds like the guy in Seinfeld that called everyone "breathtaking."
FEATURE Myles Garrett to the Rams / Verse to the Browns
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The "orange" kool-aid must be spiked with some serious good shit.
I don't care. Rams aren't playing the Browns.
He is going to find out just how "elite" they are in about 2 months.
Poor dude got to see Matthew Stafford and now has these two
Watson was never elite. Verse is just trying to build the confidence of his team
To be fair to Watson, in 2020, he was elite, even though the team around him sucked, and he was actually very good for the Texans during his career with them. Threw for over 4,000 yards twice (and when he didn't, it was 3,852 in 2019 and 1,699 in seven games in his rookie year, which has a 4,116 pace), had seventeen rushing touchdowns with 1,677 yards, thirty-three touchdowns to seven picks in 2020, and never had a completion percentage below 61.8 with the Texans.
He was great with the Texans. It just so happens that he's a piece of horseshit, sucked with the Browns, and is coming off of a major injury that he hasn't played in two years from.
He's not an elite quarterback anymore, and he never will be. Shedeur will never be elite, no matter how much Mel Kiper pines for it.
Verse is just trying to cope with losing his buddies, Fiske and Agent Zero, and being sent to the Factory of Sadness.
I feel bad for Verse, but at least he has Ohio roots. He is a great teammate and shows more maturity than these divas like aiyuk or aj brown. Being traded from the LA Rams to the browns is much worse than anything those divas have dealt with and Verse handled it with class and dignity.
I agree. Still love Verse, and I wish he wasn't the one traded for Myles...but I will say that the Garrett trade is an absolute slam-dunk win for us, thus far, and he's well worth the price.
I’ll give you 2020 as a very good year for him, but elite? Nah. That word is too generously tossed around. Nobody is calling Kirko Chains elite, yet he performed at a similar level for much much longer.
The two years prior to 2020 that roster was very very good. He had 2020 and then had the scandal, but why hasn’t he been able to do anything remotely close to that since returning?
Again, 4,000+ yards with the mobility to get at least 400 yards rushing a year (the 4,000 which he did in two years and was on pace to do that in his rookie year before his injury)? I don't know how you don't call that elite production. That was better than a lot of QBs could dream about.
He's an absolute piece of shit that I personally loathe, but you can't deny that he had elite production in two seasons, was very good in his third, and was on pace for elite production in his rookie year before his injury - and this was without HOFer (AND WHY THE FUCK DID HE GET IN BEFORE HOLT?!) Andre Johnson, who retired before Watson came into the league.
Elite is obviously very subjective but assuming you assign it to the top 3-5 QBs in the league, Watson was never in that category imo
Interesting bit of controversy regarding Garrett. Jadevon Clowney apparently had some issues with Cleveland after the 2022 season.
How?
The Browns had the #15 defense (in yards) and #20 defense in points.
They ranked #5 against the pass and #8 vs the run. Garrett had 16 sacks and Clowney had 2.
Clowney was inactive for 5 of the 17 games. Weeks 3 and 4, 6, 16 and 18. Why was that? Is that what he meant by prioritizing Garrett's sacks? Sitting Clowney? He had 1.5 sacks the first two weeks and 0.5 the next 10 games he played.
Maybe somebody with more knowledge that I can explain to me how the Browns prioritized Garretts sack totals over the broader defensive scheme.
Cleveland's Andrew Berry explained it this way....
So is Berry saying Clowney made a mistake.....that they didn't prioritize Garrett's sack over the broader defensive scheme....or Clowney made a mistake by airing his complaint? Inquiring minds want to know.
How?
The Browns had the #15 defense (in yards) and #20 defense in points.
They ranked #5 against the pass and #8 vs the run. Garrett had 16 sacks and Clowney had 2.
Clowney was inactive for 5 of the 17 games. Weeks 3 and 4, 6, 16 and 18. Why was that? Is that what he meant by prioritizing Garrett's sacks? Sitting Clowney? He had 1.5 sacks the first two weeks and 0.5 the next 10 games he played.
Maybe somebody with more knowledge that I can explain to me how the Browns prioritized Garretts sack totals over the broader defensive scheme.
Cleveland's Andrew Berry explained it this way....
So is Berry saying Clowney made a mistake.....that they didn't prioritize Garrett's sack over the broader defensive scheme....or Clowney made a mistake by airing his complaint? Inquiring minds want to know.
Who cares? If they did that then it’s the Browns’ fault, not Garrett’s
No I get that, it wasn’t necessarily directed at you, I just didn’t want that to turn into something it’s not. My bad on the tone of my response.
Hypothetically speaking, if we take Clowney's reference to "the broader defensive scheme" and assume that Clowney is actually talking about getting sacks for himself, it should make more sense. So, it's Clowney whining that the team is over focused on a scheme designed for Myles to get single team and other optimized rush opportunities, instead of getting him (Clowney) opportunities, and that Berry knows that Clowney was being a selfish whiner.
Or not.
I believe you hit the nail on the head. It's not like Garrett had a couple of good years on bad defenses. The Browns had the #5 D in 2021, #14 in 2022, #1 in 2023 and Garrett had 16, 16 and 14 sacks. So, even if they were tailoring the D to get Garrett more sacks, it was a smart decision. Clowney has played in the NFL a dozen years for 7 teams and has yet to have a double digit sack season.
Tom Grossi's NFC West (and AFC North, to an extent) long-awaited reaction to the Myles Garrett trade.
