BREAKING NEWS !! Myles Garrett to the Rams / Verse to the Browns

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fanotodd said:
Nope. No way I’m giving three 1rsts for ANY player currently in the NFL.
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Joe Burrow has faced multiple significant injuries throughout his career, including ACL, wrist, and turf toe injuries, with the latest requiring surgery and a three-month recovery.​

Career Injury Timeline​

  • Wrist fracture (2017, Ohio State): Burrow broke a bone in his right hand during practice, requiring surgery and causing him to miss the start of the season Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • Torn rib cartilage (2020, LSU): During the College Football Playoff National Championship, Burrow played through torn rib cartilage but did not miss any games Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • Knee injuries (2020, Bengals): In his rookie NFL season, Burrow suffered a torn ACL, PCL, MCL, and partial meniscus in Week 11, ending his season Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • Dislocated finger (2021, Bengals): Burrow dislocated his pinkie during a sack but continued playing without missing games Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • MCL sprain (2022, Bengals): Sustained during the Super Bowl; he recovered in the offseason and did not miss games Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • Calf strain (July 2023, Bengals): Minor injury during practice; no missed games Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • Torn wrist ligament (Nov. 2023, Bengals): Season-ending injury in Week 11 against the Ravens; required surgery Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • Turf toe (Sept. 2025, Bengals): Grade 3 injury to his left big toe during Week 2 against the Jaguars, requiring surgery and a minimum three-month recovery NFL.com
He averages 11 games per year played. Has started 17 games once.
 
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Joe Burrow has faced multiple significant injuries throughout his career, including ACL, wrist, and turf toe injuries, with the latest requiring surgery and a three-month recovery.​

Career Injury Timeline​

  • Wrist fracture (2017, Ohio State): Burrow broke a bone in his right hand during practice, requiring surgery and causing him to miss the start of the season Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • Torn rib cartilage (2020, LSU): During the College Football Playoff National Championship, Burrow played through torn rib cartilage but did not miss any games Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • Knee injuries (2020, Bengals): In his rookie NFL season, Burrow suffered a torn ACL, PCL, MCL, and partial meniscus in Week 11, ending his season Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • Dislocated finger (2021, Bengals): Burrow dislocated his pinkie during a sack but continued playing without missing games Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • MCL sprain (2022, Bengals): Sustained during the Super Bowl; he recovered in the offseason and did not miss games Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • Calf strain (July 2023, Bengals): Minor injury during practice; no missed games Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • Torn wrist ligament (Nov. 2023, Bengals): Season-ending injury in Week 11 against the Ravens; required surgery Sporting NewsSporting News.
  • Turf toe (Sept. 2025, Bengals): Grade 3 injury to his left big toe during Week 2 against the Jaguars, requiring surgery and a minimum three-month recovery NFL.com
He averages 11 games per year played. Has started 17 games once.
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Burrow’s OLs have always been ranked near the bottom. Kind of a shame, really. If I’m not mistaken, he also hasn't had running games to take the heat off.
 
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Steve808 said:
Just for curiosity purposes, I'd like to see AD and Garrett on the same defense. :)
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Heh - wouldn't we all.

Fans of other teams would be curious as hell too but would be shaking in their boots when the Rams came to play their team.
 
Here's a question I have.

I know Aaron Donald is one of the best (or the best) defensive player ever. Myles Garrett is perceived to be one of the best (if not the best) defensive player. Both could be considered the best defensive player of their time. Except from 2017 to 2023, they were playing at the same time. Over that span Garrett had 88 sacks and AD 83. It's more than sacks and stats but here's the tale of the tape

2017-2023

Aaron Donald 106 G / 106 GS; 14 PD; 20 FF; 6 FR; 83.0 sacks; 222 solo tackles; 157 asst; 119 TFL; 179 QBH
Myles Garrett 110 G / 97 GS; 16 PD; 17 FF; 5 FR; 88.5 sacks; 210 solo tackles; 95 asst; 94 TFL; 172 QBH

Most sacks in any year:

Garrett 23 in 17 GP
Donald 20.5 in 16 GP

How about the DL around them?

The most sacks a guy next to Garrett had, was 9 by Clowney in 2021. Olivier Vernon had 9 in 2020. The next highest #2 was Maliek Collins last year with 6.5.

The most sacks a guy next to Donald had, was 11.5 by Dante Fowler in 2019. 10.5 by Robert Quinn in 2014, 10.5 by Leonard Floyd in 2020.

Did AD have more of an impact on guys around him or is it just the case of Cleveland playing from behind more often? AD being a DT and Garrett a DE?

Our two young guns Kobie Turner and Byron Young had 9 sacks and 8 sacks respectfully, in ADs last year when he had 8. Turner followed that year up with 8.0 and then 7.0 last year. Young followed that up with 7.5 and 12.0 last year. Yeah, Young quietly had double digit sacks in his 3rd year. It's going to be interesting to see how many those two have alongside Garrett in his prime? Can't wait.
 
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I think the most important aspect of that comparison is the difference in position. Much easier to double and triple team a AD on the inside. Garrett mostly lines up wide 9. He is gone by the time a double team gets to him. This is why AD was under appreciated by the voters for DPOY. Head and shoulders above someone like pittsburg’s Watt.
 
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majrleaged said:
I think the most important aspect of that comparison is the difference in position. Much easier to double and triple team a AD on the inside. Garrett mostly lines up wide 9. He is gone by the time a double team gets to him. This is why AD was under appreciated by the voters for DPOY. Head and shoulders above someone like pittsburg’s Watt.
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Interior pressure is a killer for offenses and Donald yearly had the production of three really good DTs combined. It's actually insane how good he was.
 
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jjab360 said:
Interior pressure is a killer for offenses and Donald yearly had the production of three really good DTs combined. It's actually insane how good he was.
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It’s awesome when your team drafts a guy and you think he’s going to be really good and then you realize later you way underestimated him. That was Donald for me. I had a really good feeling about him coming in and I knew he would be very good. But goddamn he just so completely exceeded my expectations by such a huge margin. As you said it’s insane how good he was.
 
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I see AJ Espenesa is still available. More of a true DE, maybe he wouldn't be a bad depth piece to back up Garrett. His projected FA deal is around $6M apy, but at this point he would likley take a 1 yr prove it deal. Has 24 career sacks, so no slouch. Was avg 6 sacks a year from 22'-24', until last yr when he had 2.5. Turns 28 during the season.
 
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PhillyRam said:
I see AJ Espenesa is still available. More of a true DE, maybe he wouldn't be a bad depth piece to back up Garrett. His projected FA deal is around $6M apy, but at this point he would likley take a 1 yr prove it deal. Has 24 career sacks, so no slouch. Was avg 6 sacks a year from 22'-24', until last yr when he had 2.5. Turns 28 during the season.
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Who would he be displacing? What's the roster need we would be filling?
 
majrleaged said:
I think the most important aspect of that comparison is the difference in position. Much easier to double and triple team a AD on the inside. Garrett mostly lines up wide 9. He is gone by the time a double team gets to him. This is why AD was under appreciated by the voters for DPOY. Head and shoulders above someone like pittsburg’s Watt.
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Agree 100%.
Occasionally a “freebie” will come to an edge rusher. Not for an IDL. The offense is basically already playing 9 on 11 on a run play.

I never saw Donald get an easy one because of a blown assignment, not having anybody assigned to block him on, or an offense just not taking HIM into account on a given play.

No disrespect to Garrett or any other great Edge rusher, but the only time I saw #99 run into the backfield untouched was because he split TWO defenders before they knew he was there.

You mention watt. Yeah, how many sacks, TFL, etc was he racking up while being singled? They made a big deal about mentioning him in the same breath once upon a time—then they showed the double teams percentages and corresponding success rate.

That debate was over. Another DPOY for Donald.

In his prime, AD99 had a higher success rate vs double teams than most players vs 1blocker. Let’s all let that sink in.
 
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fanotodd said:
Agree 100%.
Occasionally a “freebie” will come to an edge rusher. Not for an IDL. The offense is basically already playing 9 on 11 on a run play.

I never saw Donald get an easy one because of a blown assignment, not having anybody assigned to block him on, or an offense just not taking HIM into account on a given play.

No disrespect to Garrett or any other great Edge rusher, but the only time I saw #99 run into the backfield untouched was because he split TWO defenders before they knew he was there.

You mention watt. Yeah, how many sacks, TFL, etc was he racking up while being singled? They made a big deal about mentioning him in the same breath once upon a time—then they showed the double teams percentages and corresponding success rate.

That debate was over. Another DPOY for Donald.

In his prime, AD99 had a higher success rate vs double teams than most players vs 1blocker. Let’s all let that sink in.
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I saw one play where no one blocked AD in a SF game and AD came flying in and Crapola almost completed the pass across the middle because the linebackers were playing 10 yards off the line of scrimmage.
 
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