McShay Mocks Us Ty Simpson At 13
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Orlovsky's claim that NFL GMs share his opinion that Simpson is better than Mendoza is countered by Kiper, Jr. who says that's not what he's hearing from his own sources. Theoretically, maybe both statements are correct in that neither is worthy of a high first-round selection. Again, I say "theoretically". Orlovsky seems like the contrarian even among other ESPN analysts. One argument says that Simpson didn't benefit as much as Mendoza did in his situation at Indiana. While that may be true, the counter is that Simpson himself wasn't lacking in resources or opportunities as well at Alabama, of all places. The difference was that Mendoza was clearly the difference-maker who lifted his team to higher success. Another argument was that if Simpson was taller, he'd be ranked higher. This is where the Mac Jones comparison came in. Either way, he would still need to sit and watch before reaching his full potential.
In any case, I really don't have a problem with Ty Simpson, but I'm certainly not high on him as a draft pick in the first or even second round in this year's class. The QB position tends to be overrated every year in the draft and this looks to be the case again this year. Tua Tagovailoa...Trey Lance...Zach Wilson...Justin Fields...C.J. Stroud...Bo Nix...Michael Penix, Jr. Any of these names ring a bell? Sure, any one of these guys can still have a solid NFL career in time even with a closing career window--see Sam Darnold--but the point remains that quarterbacks tend to be over-drafted probably more than any other position in the draft. Speaking of Darnold...I've said before that I can see Simpson reaching a similar stature but with less arm talent and moxie.
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In any case, I really don't have a problem with Ty Simpson, but I'm certainly not high on him as a draft pick in the first or even second round in this year's class. The QB position tends to be overrated every year in the draft and this looks to be the case again this year. Tua Tagovailoa...Trey Lance...Zach Wilson...Justin Fields...C.J. Stroud...Bo Nix...Michael Penix, Jr. Any of these names ring a bell? Sure, any one of these guys can still have a solid NFL career in time even with a closing career window--see Sam Darnold--but the point remains that quarterbacks tend to be over-drafted probably more than any other position in the draft. Speaking of Darnold...I've said before that I can see Simpson reaching a similar stature but with less arm talent and moxie.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-xEMaCpYaI
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYnyNCk5-7U
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You fuckers are gonna rue the day when Mel's right with his pet QB choice. 
Yeah Darnold had legit talent when he came out. He's a full sized QB, has a strong arm, and is far more athletic than folks realize. He just came out before he was ready and paid the price. Pete Carroll called him on that shit at his presser after Darnold declared, and Pete was right.
Simpson's a whole different deal. He's kind of like Brees but without the starts and film to show he can be an outlier at this level. He just didn't win the job until his last year in college. So to take him up high you're basically putting all your money on red at the roulette wheel. Or maybe more accurately on a number on that table.
I get people thinking Simpson is the second best option in this class. But then how much falloff is there after him to those others. And that's what you run into when you reach hard for a QB in round 1. You're then going to see other teams taking QBs midrounds who are not that far off the dude you chose, who have questions, sure, but they don't require that top pick. And that top pick of yours isn't bringing in a player at another position who could help your team year one.
Advantage of reaching for him is that you get the 5th year option. But what will that be worth if he's a middling QB starter, or a borderline QB2/Starter. That's not as great of a positive unless you hit on the QB.
I've prepared myself for the Rams drafting him, simply because it would figure they take the dude I don't think is a smart bet. But if that happens McVay increases his odds considerably with his offense. However I will remind everyone that McVay was also the dude who cast a better QB off in Jared Goff. Chances are Simpson won't ever be in Goff's class. So to me Simpson to the Rams doesn't make a lot of sense unless it's at a value range in the draft, i.e. later than round 1 at the very least.
He didn't cast off Goff based on his talent. He seemed to get tired of his mental mistakes. Simpson seems to be legit between the ears, he just needs a lot more experience.
Not sold on him either though as I just wish he was in that 6-3 220 range size wise.
Simpson was hurt and sick the last part of the season. The 1st 7 or 8 games he was very good.
Having typed that - I'd rather have Beck in the 2nd or 3rd round.
2nd best sounds good - but it’s all relative.
2nd best Victoria secrets model - score!
2nd best turd - still a turd.
2nd best Victoria secrets model - score!
2nd best turd - still a turd.
Yes but I think it applies here, with Simpson, to realize how high McVay's standards are at QB. And by extension I think it is part of that conversation when it comes to reaching for him in the first round.
I am one of the few in the Allar camp. Give me the 6-5 240 lb semi athletic kid, with a great arm and questionable mechanics and decision making. Let my brilliant offensive staff work with him, while he learns for a year or two behind Stafford. Then lets see what we got.
Last year he would have been a top 40 pick or higher. Not going to hang a rough 6 games on him to avoid drafting him. If they can come up with a few extra picks in a trade down, I take him if he checks out with them X & O wise on the chalkboard.
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I'm also in the Allar camp. Cant teach 6'5" 240.
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Ya know, its not a 0% chance, I'll say that. I see some sparks from the kid but i say ultimately he doesn't have it between the ears.You fuckers are gonna rue the day when Mel's right with his pet QB choice.
Joel Klatt mocks Ty Simpson to the Jets at 16th overall apparently via trade. He has the Rams taking Kenyon Sadiq at 13th overall. Colin Cowherd is a believer in Simpson as a franchise quarterback and projects him to be a mid-to-late first-round selection; he thinks Simpson is better than Kenny Pickett but not as talented as Malik Willis. Link to YouTube video embedded in image below.
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Guys I feel like this goes without saying but 6'5 240 doesn't really mean a whole lot to the QB position. The NFL has tested the size outlier limitations with QBs 6'0 and shorter with mixed results but to me as long as they're 6'1 or taller they can see the field over the OL just fine.
The taller you are at QB the better you're gonna be able to see. The 6'2" thing isn't a hard and fast rule, but it's generally accepted that if you're below that you're dealing with a tougher job to see the field and that induces more risk in not seeing defenders.
There are dudes who can deal with that. They're outliers. But recognizing that a player has to be an outlier to succeed means he's got a higher chance to bust at the NFL level. Which in turn means take him a bit later on that board.
Some of the rules we've seen teams fall into are like that for a reason. You can rationalize them away if you want, but you're not doing yourself any favors in dismissing them.
There are dudes who can deal with that. They're outliers. But recognizing that a player has to be an outlier to succeed means he's got a higher chance to bust at the NFL level. Which in turn means take him a bit later on that board.
Some of the rules we've seen teams fall into are like that for a reason. You can rationalize them away if you want, but you're not doing yourself any favors in dismissing them.
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Agree, 6'2" is the absolute minimum for a superstar quarterback. Mahomes, Rodgers and Warner sit here. Drew Brees and Fran Tarkenton and I guess Russell Wilson in his prime are the rare outliers.
So ... given the tremendous careers of Brees, Tarkenton and Wilson, 6'2 really is not the 'absolute minimum' ... is it?
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Outside of outliers, but yes, you are grammatically correct, i should have said usual minimum.
