Kyren Williams

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Without taking too much time to point out the errors of this post, I'll just say . . . trust your eyes.

Gibbs/Saquon/Bijan/Judkins, etc turn 10 yard holes into 30+ yard runs and if a CB doesn't have an angle, into 55 yard TDs.
Kyren turns 10 yard holes into 10 yard runs . . . no more, no less.
You're selling Kyren short. Kyren turns plenty of plays where there isn't a lot there into positive gains due to his vision and patience. His lack of long speed is a real weakness, as is his fumbling. But he's a good player and does a lot of things that aren't flashy that keep the offense functioning. Do I wish he had 4.3 speed? Sure I do. But if he did, he wouldn't have been available when we drafted him.
(And no, I don't care about PFF grades.)
 
Without taking too much time to point out the errors of this post, I'll just say . . . trust your eyes.

Gibbs/Saquon/Bijan/Judkins, etc turn 10 yard holes into 30+ yard runs and if a CB doesn't have an angle, into 55 yard TDs.
Kyren turns 10 yard holes into 10 yard runs . . . no more, no less.
Saquon hasnt done shit this year, and has turned 10 yard runs into -2 yards. To be fair 20% of his yards and Tds came from our dumbass run defense last year , or should I say what defense?

Bijan hasnt done shit.

Gibbs, his explosives came vs Chi and Cle otherwise has done nothing and avg under 4 yards per carry outside of those two plays. Speed dont mean SHIT if you get stopped behind the line. Lions can overcome his fails though. They have more than 2 weapons.

Judkins is the only one you mentioned that has done anything and consistant about it, but he is also thier only threat it seems.

I Guess you forgot 2023. Kyren was top 5 in explosive plays in 2023!

All you need is a Kyren like running back thats tough and kicks the shit outta the defense. Our problem is no one on this team can score a damn TD in the RZ outside of Kyren the last 3 years. Kyren turns 0 Yards into 10-15, Maybe 20. Maybe only 10 yards into 10 yards. We all knew this. Kyren with 1 big 20+ yard play so far but what he is, is consistant!

Everyone wants a Homerun Hitter, but they are few and far between. Homerun hitters mean nothing if they strike out as well!

What we need to do is get Adams on the same page with Stafford and we will see explosive plays on all fronts. Healthy O'line Starters will help greatly as well. We have not had all o'line starters in consecutive games yet for what feels like since 2021.
 
Without taking too much time to point out the errors of this post, I'll just say . . . trust your eyes.

Gibbs/Saquon/Bijan/Judkins, etc turn 10 yard holes into 30+ yard runs and if a CB doesn't have an angle, into 55 yard TDs.
Kyren turns 10 yard holes into 10 yard runs . . . no more, no less.
Good point. But right now Kyren is our number one running back by a wide margin. That’s not likely to change this year so I prefer to include what he brings to the table along with his occasional backbreaking fumbles.
 
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Dickerson averaged 12 fumbles a game his first 4 years
RankPlayerCareer Fumbles
1Tony Dorsett90
1Franco Harris90
3Walter Payton86
4Greg Pruitt83
5Eric Dickerson78
6Marcus Allen65
7O.J. Simpson62
8Emmitt Smith61
9John Riggins5
10Jim Brown
Dayum! I’m surprised he even made it four years with that many fumbles. :wow2:
 
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Saquon hasnt done shit this year, and has turned 10 yard runs into -2 yards. To be fair 20% of his yards and Tds came from our dumbass run defense last year , or should I say what defense?

Bijan hasnt done shit.

Gibbs, his explosives came vs Chi and Cle otherwise has done nothing and avg under 4 yards per carry outside of those two plays. Speed dont mean SHIT if you get stopped behind the line. Lions can overcome his fails though. They have more than 2 weapons.

Judkins is the only one you mentioned that has done anything and consistant about it, but he is also thier only threat it seems.

I Guess you forgot 2023. Kyren was top 5 in explosive plays in 2023!

All you need is a Kyren like running back thats tough and kicks the shit outta the defense. Our problem is no one on this team can score a damn TD in the RZ outside of Kyren the last 3 years. Kyren turns 0 Yards into 10-15, Maybe 20. Maybe only 10 yards into 10 yards. We all knew this. Kyren with 1 big 20+ yard play so far but what he is, is consistant!

Everyone wants a Homerun Hitter, but they are few and far between. Homerun hitters mean nothing if they strike out as well!

What we need to do is get Adams on the same page with Stafford and we will see explosive plays on all fronts. Healthy O'line Starters will help greatly as well. We have not had all o'line starters in consecutive games yet for what feels like since 2021.
You are mostly speaking to McVay's shitty RZ offensive play calls. McVay's teams have historically struggled in the RZ so being that he's the one constant, I put the majority of the blame on him in that department. Put any of those backs in our backfield that were mentioned and they'd have better stats than Kyren. However the reality is that Kyrenis our RB1 but needs to take care of the damn ball and we should sprinkle in the other backs as well.
 
Did you see Skattebo do almost exactly what Kyren did, but he got away with it and scored

The ball was vulnerable and was eventually punched clear. He scores, so no one comments, and its on to the next play.

It's a game of small margins, heh
Comparing a rookie to a vet that should know better :laugh2:
 
You are mostly speaking to McVay's shitty RZ offensive play calls. McVay's teams have historically struggled in the RZ so being that he's the one constant, I put the majority of the blame on him in that department. Put any of those backs in our backfield that were mentioned and they'd have better stats than Kyren. However the reality is that Kyrenis our RB1 but needs to take care of the damn ball and we should sprinkle in the other backs as well.
17' = 17th
18' = 18th
19' = 6th
20' = 19th
21' = 16th
22'= 14th
23' = 8th
24' = 25th
25' = 24th

This maybe a Combo of play calls, but we for the most part are usually in the middle or top half. This comes down to shitty O'line health I think.

Im for sprinkling other backs in, but clearly Mcvay is choosing the wrong back-up then. I think hes being careful. Take Eagles for example with Shipley and Saquon. They are tipping off thier plays due to whos being in.

Saquon was with Giants and they had a similar O'line to us, hell some years better and still avg less. Henry same thing with Titans, though hes very consistant! These o'lines on Eagles and ravens have weakened, and now they all of a sudden cant do anything? Clearly thier Homerun hitting struck out because they are so used to the Homerun ball, not small ball!

Henry did the same thing on Titans, as Kyren does for us! 4.2-5.0avg Range 300-400+ Attempts! Running back is not our issue!

Take Colts for example with Taylor. Hes a Homerun hitter, but Very Similar Stats to Kyren. They have a NASTY o'line. He has Speed. What Kyren does in short yardage some of these Speed guys wish they could do, and Kyren wishes he had more speed and could do what they do. Double edged sword sometimes.
 
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Every time KW picks up a blitzer and protects Stafford he is showing why he is our starter. Not many backs put the effort into pass protection that KW puts in. As long as he keeps showing that determination to stop the blitzer in his tracks Corrum and Hunter see what it takes in the NFL. KW finds yards when it looks like nothing there. Speed would be great, as would better ball security. KW has to be aware that every team is going to be punching at the ball, yards are worthless if the ball isnt still in your arm.
 
You're selling Kyren short. Kyren turns plenty of plays where there isn't a lot there into positive gains due to his vision and patience. His lack of long speed is a real weakness, as is his fumbling. But he's a good player and does a lot of things that aren't flashy that keep the offense functioning. Do I wish he had 4.3 speed? Sure I do. But if he did, he wouldn't have been available when we drafted him.
(And no, I don't care about PFF grades.)
Multiple times a game he turns in a TFL or a no gain play into positive yards. Sometimes a three yard run can be very impressive..
He has great vision and patience and balance.
 
17' = 17th
18' = 18th
19' = 6th
20' = 19th
21' = 16th
22'= 14th
23' = 8th
24' = 25th
25' = 24th

This maybe a Combo of play calls, but we for the most part are usually in the middle or top half. This comes down to shitty O'line health I think.

Im for sprinkling other backs in, but clearly Mcvay is choosing the wrong back-up then. I think hes being careful. Take Eagles for example with Shipley and Saquon. They are tipping off thier plays due to whos being in.

Saquon was with Giants and they had a similar O'line to us, hell some years better and still avg less. Henry same thing with Titans, though hes very consistant! These o'lines on Eagles and ravens have weakened, and now they all of a sudden cant do anything? Clearly thier Homerun hitting struck out because they are so used to the Homerun ball, not small ball!

Henry did the same thing on Titans, as Kyren does for us! 4.2-5.0avg Range 300-400+ Attempts! Running back is not our issue!

Take Colts for example with Taylor. Hes a Homerun hitter, but Very Similar Stats to Kyren. They have a NASTY o'line. He has Speed. What Kyren does in short yardage some of these Speed guys wish they could do, and Kyren wishes he had more speed and could do what they do. Double edged sword sometimes.
Well honestly McVay needs to adjust if the o-line is the issue. Throw a screen maybe? Use 12 personell? I'm just spit balling here but he needs to figure out what teams are attacking and have a good counter or sucker them in somehow. Would love to see Ferguson used down in the RZ as I can't imagine it wouldn't hurt anything. Also I think its extremely hard to compare lines vs our while also not taking into account who the playcaller is. There have been runs where Kyren could score IF he had speed. I'm confident that a Gibbs Saquon or even Taylor would make this offense way more explosive. Henry, I'm not necessarily big on honestly because he's closer to falling off a cliff than the others. I also keep saying this only because I'm tooting my own horn about being right lol....but if we were going to start over at RB this past off season, my number 1 guy was Judkins in this past draft. He looks good for a shitty Browns squad. Poor guy gonna play for a losing squad. I just hope our running back room in general just improves across the board. Any improvement is honestly welcomed anywhere on this team.
 
Well honestly McVay needs to adjust if the o-line is the issue. Throw a screen maybe? Use 12 personell? I'm just spit balling here but he needs to figure out what teams are attacking and have a good counter or sucker them in somehow. Would love to see Ferguson used down in the RZ as I can't imagine it wouldn't hurt anything. Also I think its extremely hard to compare lines vs our while also not taking into account who the playcaller is. There have been runs where Kyren could score IF he had speed. I'm confident that a Gibbs Saquon or even Taylor would make this offense way more explosive. Henry, I'm not necessarily big on honestly because he's closer to falling off a cliff than the others. I also keep saying this only because I'm tooting my own horn about being right lol....but if we were going to start over at RB this past off season, my number 1 guy was Judkins in this past draft. He looks good for a shitty Browns squad. Poor guy gonna play for a losing squad. I just hope our running back room in general just improves across the board. Any improvement is honestly welcomed anywhere on this team.
Must be o'line because we cant score for shit! Our RB's and WRs are out blocking our entire o'line and TE's. Right about mcvay sure, but also im correct in speed guys not meaning shit if they cant do anything. Some of these lines they are in, are way better than ours and Stats are basically the same as Kyren with a weaker o'line. Imagine if we had a top 5!

We will see on sunday if adding another starter back in helps this o'line
 
17' = 17th
18' = 18th
19' = 6th
20' = 19th
21' = 16th
22'= 14th
23' = 8th
24' = 25th
25' = 24th

This maybe a Combo of play calls, but we for the most part are usually in the middle or top half. This comes down to shitty O'line health I think.

Im for sprinkling other backs in, but clearly Mcvay is choosing the wrong back-up then. I think hes being careful. Take Eagles for example with Shipley and Saquon. They are tipping off thier plays due to whos being in.

Saquon was with Giants and they had a similar O'line to us, hell some years better and still avg less. Henry same thing with Titans, though hes very consistant! These o'lines on Eagles and ravens have weakened, and now they all of a sudden cant do anything? Clearly thier Homerun hitting struck out because they are so used to the Homerun ball, not small ball!

Henry did the same thing on Titans, as Kyren does for us! 4.2-5.0avg Range 300-400+ Attempts! Running back is not our issue!

Take Colts for example with Taylor. Hes a Homerun hitter, but Very Similar Stats to Kyren. They have a NASTY o'line. He has Speed. What Kyren does in short yardage some of these Speed guys wish they could do, and Kyren wishes he had more speed and could do what they do. Double edged sword sometimes.

Not knocking McVay and I'm not claiming to be an offensive genius or anything. Just giving my 2 cents off of observations in general.

A lot of times, it seems like the sequencing of plays is the problem. For example, we try a pass play and go for the endzone and incomplete. Then we run and get stuffed. Now it's 3rd and 10. Or we try some toss the ball to the RB play and it gets blown up for minus 3 yards. The Rams in my opinion, need to get positive yards in the red zone by pass or run. 2nd and 5 or 2nd and 3 makes Stafford dangerous because so many options are available.

But too often, it seems like the Rams are 3rd and long, or 3rd and short and can't convert with the run. Maybe some new and creative plays? Maybe 2 TEs so the back has more options to find a hole. Maybe throw in a few plays where a TE is a like a fullback?

On the 4th and 1 where Kyren gets stuffed by the whiners to end the game, a naked bootleg to the other side of the line probably gets the 1st down. I guess what I'm saying is McVay is better than what we've been seeing in some of these situations. I mean why run where Havenstein's backup is playing on a crucial 4th and 1?
 
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