Kyren Williams future discussion

[Mojo Ram]

Kyren and Corum are the same back with Corum having a little more pop than Kyren does without the fumble issues. P.s. I watched in College quite a bit, especially Corum.

I agree with this, but hope they’re #2 and 3 next year behind a true difference maker.

 

[Corbin]

I agree with this, but hope they’re #2 and 3 next year behind a true difference maker.

You and I both broski!

 

[0311rams]

WTF? Come on, you know better than that. Football is a violent sport. Does Corum have an injury history, or did he get a bone broken on a freak play? What, brittle like he didn't drink enough milk?

I know what you are saying and I'm just saying there could have been, but I don't remember a rb who broke his arm and had to come out of the game. A knee or ankle, rib shot or a shoulder maybe but never a broken arm. lol.

 

[Merlin]

I absolutely loved Corum's game in college and whenever he got snaps in horns he looked great. Let's make the backfield a split next year and see what he can do with a larger sample size. I think Corum can really produce in this offense. Top end speed would be great but I would not classify it as essential. The issue is when you don't have it and fumble all the time. If Corum can basically be Williams without ball security issues, that's a great RB1.

Williams and Corum are by committee types in the NFL. Way to use them is cycle them and get fresh legs, let them compete in games and ride whoever is hot.

Williams outperformed Corum this season. So the Rams rode him. But it ended up biting them because the ball security issue never got rectified. And again in rbbc approach fumbling means you cede snap priority to the other backs.

That needs to be a priority in camp. Then Corum improves hopefully with a second camp. And maybe the Rams add a third back to the group who either can mash, or add return skills.

If say Jeanty were to fall to them, then take him. An elite back is probably not the plan but it would have major impact to this offense. Because this OL opens holes in the ground game.

 

[Kupped]

I know what you are saying and I'm just saying there could have been, but I don't remember a rb who broke his arm and had to come out of the game. A knee or ankle, rib shot or a shoulder maybe but never a broken arm. lol.

It was a very violent, direct collision. Riq Woolen hurt his ribs on the same play and was out of the game.

 

[Faceplant]

I know what you are saying and I'm just saying there could have been, but I don't remember a rb who broke his arm and had to come out of the game. A knee or ankle, rib shot or a shoulder maybe but never a broken arm. lol.

I have. I was at the Rams / Ravens game in Baltimore where AD snapped Justin Forsett's arm like a twig. That was nasty. Why would you question a RB not coming back in with a broken arm???

 

[Classic Rams]

Absolutely love you guys replying and giving throwing in anything you can. You get the " ED was selfish" comments but I've never once seen any of this info anywhere and for a younger Rams fan (44) I see the highlights of ED but never watched him in game to know little underlining facts like these which are important to paint a picture of how it actually was.

I wish I could find a service to watch past games/seasons every Sunday to familiarize myself with with events and games. Hell you guys always mention past Ram players I'm not familiar with! lol For example Hacksaw Reynolds and how good he was and he was a lot of ROD members favorite players until he left to our rivals the Niners.


As far as Kyren goes, I like him. Think he's a hell of a back and McVay systems engine is the running game. With a star back like Barkley, that's makes this offense unstoppable. Kyren is a good compliment back, he's not a superstar. He only has numbers because he's in McVay's offense. If he'd be on another team i doubt he has as good as numbers, maybe good numbers but not like these.

Last year their were two premier backs on the market (Henry and Saquan) who will be available this year? I think we are going to go by committee since Kyren is in his last year but firmly believe we need a burner and a slobber knocker.

I'm all in favor of Damien Martinez, 4.55 40 time, 6'0 23lbs (I've seen him listed as 240 as well); Derrick Henry 40 time 4.54, 6'3 247lbs.
Like a lesser version of Henry and can grab him probably in the 5th round or so.

Imagine those 3 and shorts or 4th and 1's?

Kyren and Corum are the same back with Corum having a little more pop than Kyren does without the fumble issues. P.s. I watched in College quite a bit, especially Corum.

Youtube has always been popping up a lot of NFL games over the years. Type in 1980-something Rams and check out the Dickerson games. Watching him back when he played was exciting because whenever he got the ball you knew he had the potential to break a big one. Some of our expectations got really high for that. I would shout "There he goes!!!" when he got through the line and broke into the next level.
And I stand on my reasoning on the arm pads. Announcers would bring up the fumbles and say "Well he does wear a lot of padding and sometimes you don't have a feel for the ball with all that on." That may have been Vermeil when he was doing color in the 80's. Eric definitely didn't want to get hurt.

 

[Corbin]

Youtube has always been popping up a lot of NFL games over the years. Type in 1980-something Rams and check out the Dickerson games. Watching him back when he played was exciting because whenever he got the ball you knew he had the potential to break a big one. Some of our expectations got really high for that. I would shout "There he goes!!!" when he got through the line and broke into the next level.
And I stand on my reasoning on the arm pads. Announcers would bring up the fumbles and say "Well he does wear a lot of padding and sometimes you don't have a feel for the ball with all that on." That may have been Vermeil when he was doing color in the 80's. Eric definitely didn't want to get hurt.

View: https://www.facebook.com/originalrg3/videos/my-conversation-w-rams-pfhofer-eric-dickerson-about-why-he-wore-every-pad-known-/312085724309184/



Just found on ED talking about his pads he wore.

Haha Thankyou for that detailed memory of yours. I found a lot of old games on YouTube. Going to see if I can find his rookie season and watch h all the games.

 

[Kupped]

I have. I was at the Rams / Ravens game in Baltimore where AD snapped Justin Forsett's arm like a twig. That was nasty. Why would you question a RB not coming back in with a broken arm???

How about Stephen Jackson breaking Mike Rumph’s arm when he tried to tackle him?

 

[20hrswk]

"The offensive line was actually really good at run blocking though. Our run game should've been more productive than it was."
- Ram Rally

I've been saying this for a while now.
Our RBs are underperforming our OL.
Kyren has a lot of good qualities, but he turns 30+ yard runs into 12 yard runs.

A RB with speed and pass catching ability would really help the offense.

 

[PhillyRam]

"The offensive line was actually really good at run blocking though. Our run game should've been more productive than it was."
- Ram Rally

I've been saying this for a while now.
Our RBs are underperforming our OL.
Kyren has a lot of good qualities, but he turns 30+ yard runs into 12 yard runs.

A RB with speed and pass catching ability would really help the offense.

One of McVay's mistakes this year was the idea that he wanted a clone of Willians in Corum because he liked Williams production last year and he didn't want any drop off if Williams got hurt. What he really should have wanted was an upgrade to Williams' production so what Williams gives you is the floor and maybe a new RB would provide even more upside.

 

[Merlin]

One of McVay's mistakes this year was the idea that he wanted a clone of Willians in Corum because he liked Williams production last year and he didn't want any drop off if Williams got hurt. What he really should have wanted was an upgrade to Williams' production so what Williams gives you is the floor and maybe a new RB would provide even more upside.

Precisely.

 

[Kupped]

View: https://x.com/TheRamsWire/status/1882864852735037733

 

[Ellard80]

Sounds like Sean wants to extend him

Honestly I think that's a mistake. Unless its cheap - which I can't imagine it will be.

Kyren seems like a great guy and does a lot of things well that we value - but if you can't be trusted to not have game killing fumbles then it really doesn't end up being worth it.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Assuming the Rams resign Jackson at LT the line is pretty well set.
Jackson/Avila/Dotson/Havenstein are set.
Given his struggles this year I am open to Jonah Jackson competing for either G spot.
Also, a battle at C with Limmer and Jackson seems to be likely.
Depth at RT and inside is pretty solid. No depth at LT.
I would try to find a mid round swing T type to help with depth.
Outside of something like that I would not expect a lot moves on the OL.

Yeah, I think Plan A is probably what we tried to do with Whit and Noteboom. We have a guy (hopefully retain Jackson) but draft a developmental tackle for the future like we tried with Noteboom.

Before the pitchfork wielders come for my head, I am not saying Jackson is in the same camp as Whit. Just that I imagine the succession plan will look similar.

Perhaps we can get Jackson on a 3 year where he feels like if he continues to improve he'll hit the market for a huge payday then. Win win for everyone.

 

[PhillyRam]

Sounds like Sean wants to extend him

Honestly I think that's a mistake. Unless its cheap - which I can't imagine it will be.

Kyren seems like a great guy and does a lot of things well that we value - but if you can't be trusted to not have game killing fumbles then it really doesn't end up being worth it.

He was just responding to a question about an extension for Williams... He just responded, saying that it would be discussed. So I wouldn't read too much into that as he certainly is not going to say, "No, we won't duscuss that." I mean he is not going to say that in public.

 

[DeaconJones]

I still hold out hope that Kyren can get better at ball security. I looked back at Steven Jackson's career and checked his stats:

First 6 years 1548 carries / 16 fumbles

Last 6 years 1216 carries / 2 fumbles [last 4 years 626 carries / 0 fumbles]

My conclusion is, he can get better at it. Yes, if we could get a faster player that would be great, but we can still win with Kyren if he hangs on to the ball.

 

[gogoat1]

I still hold out hope that Kyren can get better at ball security. I looked back at Steven Jackson's career and checked his stats:

First 6 years 1548 carries / 16 fumbles

Last 6 years 1216 carries / 2 fumbles [last 4 years 626 carries / 0 fumbles]

My conclusion is, he can get better at it. Yes, if we could get a faster player that would be great, but we can still win with Kyren if he hangs on to the ball.

S Jacksons first carry as a pro was a fumble. Nice run too but he coughed it up.
Kyrens fumble issues are a little overblown IMO. Plenty of Rams RBs have had fumble issues and some VERY good RBs at that.
But those guys were a potential house call every time they got into the 2nd level.
Kyren a very good at running "with" traffic. He runs with them like a All Pro, but just not past them like Gurley, Dickerson ect.
And easy TDs are better than hard TDs.
We have that and we do not have to worry about getting cute timing passes inside the 10 yard line because we just ran it in from 40 yards out !

 

[OldSchool]

View: https://x.com/QBsMVP/status/1882849706755404003


Keep in mind this isn't Kyren this is Blake but the point holds still for each back.

This one is Kyren and it goes to his previous point look at this run, a back should score from the 30 when you get that kind of room. This is what most people want from a RB.


View: https://x.com/QBsMVP/status/1882905168468979991

 

[OntarioRam]

Those hurt to watch...

Still like KW. Still want him around if the money is right. I just don't think it will be when it comes time to pay him. We'll see. Small back. No home run ability. Awful ball security. Often dinged up. Not someone I want to pay big money to. Particularly with someone that is basically a clone right behind him on a rookie deal.