Kyren Williams future discussion

[So Ram]

Might look even better with a more dynamic RB getting half the workload with Williams & Corum finding roles on 3rd down and a series here or there on first & second down.

I am not for dumping Williams, although freeing up his $5M cap number wouldn't hurt. However, he's obviously a good starting caliber back, so if a rookie struggles to adjust, he would be great as a mentor and a 3rd down back.

Now, maybe it would cause a problem since a high to mid round draft pick at RB would signal that Kyren has a year left here and he is done. In that case they may feel they need ti move him as they did with Earnest Jones.

$5 million? What round pick was he ? A FIFTH ROUND PICK !!

Might as well DUMP Cobie Durant !!
They sure have played better than Sean Mcvay’s hand selected,Poil Jumping Logan Brussss !

IMO all the Derion Kendrick’s HATERS will be eating CROW in 2025.

 

[So Ram]

BTW - what happened to all The BLAKE CORUM Fan GO ??

I’ll say he sure had a better rookie season than Kyren Williams.Now Ronnie Rivers rookie year was close to Corum’s ? Probably better than both ?? Just saying without looking it up. Not the biggest numbers guy,but they are what they are .

 

[El Chapo Jr]

$5 million? What round pick was he ? A FIFTH ROUND PICK !!

Might as well DUMP Cobie Durant !!
They sure have played better than Sean Mcvay’s hand selected,Poil Jumping Logan Brussss !

IMO all the Derion Kendrick’s HATERS will be eating CROW in 2025.

Kendrick might not even make the roster and most of us will welcome that. Notice how no one lost their shit about bone-headed secondary penalties this year? I wonder why

 

[PressureD41]

Should the Rams retain Alaric Jackson, the O-Line may well return in-tact ... starters and top reserves.

draft LT, resign A. Jackson for RT at 22m/per, add OC not sure Limmer is the solution at OC then Add a real fast outside WR w/ some size no more Smurfs please unless its a clone of Steve Smith Sr #89

spend on OT & CB and retain DT and possibly add another DT

 

[PressureD41]

Gotta think big changes coming to the offense side of the ball. needs so much legit speed

 

[OntarioRam]

I absolutely loved Corum's game in college and whenever he got snaps in horns he looked great. Let's make the backfield a split next year and see what he can do with a larger sample size. I think Corum can really produce in this offense. Top end speed would be great but I would not classify it as essential. The issue is when you don't have it and fumble all the time. If Corum can basically be Williams without ball security issues, that's a great RB1.

 

[PhillyRam]

BTW - what happened to all The BLAKE CORUM Fan GO ??

I’ll say he sure had a better rookie season than Kyren Williams.Now Ronnie Rivers rookie year was close to Corum’s ? Probably better than both ?? Just saying without looking it up. Not the biggest numbers guy,but they are what they are .

I believe the thinking is if they were to move Williams, Corum would share time with a bigger bodied rookie who would eventually become the bell cow, with Corum being your change of pace/ 3rd down back.

 

[Steve808]

draft LT, resign A. Jackson for RT at 22m/per, add OC not sure Limmer is the solution at OC then Add a real fast outside WR w/ some size no more Smurfs please unless its a clone of Steve Smith Sr #89

spend on OT & CB and retain DT and possibly add another DT

The Rams need to upgrade some players in the trenches. We're not that bad when healthy but we need upgrades, especially since we have a first round pick.

 

[RAMSinLA]

I just think we are a trade or two or draft pick or two from a super bowl. As long as we don't dump the current nucleus of the team the Rams will be just fine.

 

[Legatron4]

Need someone with juice period. Size is nice but some backs run bigger than their size.

This. Kyren reminds me a bit of Benny Cunningham. Had the burst to come in for a pinch and the runs between the 20s wasn’t a huge downgrade from the starter. But we need a guy who can break the long one occasionally.

 

[So Ram]

Kendrick might not even make the roster and most of us will welcome that. Notice how no one lost their shit about bone-headed secondary penalties this year? I wonder why

YEP !! Marinating the CROW Bro

 

[So Ram]

I believe the thinking is if they were to move Williams, Corum would share time with a bigger bodied rookie who would eventually become the bell cow, with Corum being your change of pace/ 3rd down back.

With The Rams O’Line being what it is would be nice to have a bruiser at TB.

Just wondering about the $5 mil ?

 

[PhillyRam]

With The Rams O’Line being what it is would be nice to have a bruiser at TB.

Just wondering about the $5 mil ?

That's what OTC shows as his salary for 25'. I don't understand it either unless they gave him a raise after last year or it's some kind of earned incentive payout.

 

[OldSchool]

That's what OTC shows as his salary for 25'. I don't understand it either unless they gave him a raise after last year or it's some kind of earned incentive payout.

It's an estimate, there's a thing I think called proven performer escalator. Every team gets this it's for people on rookie contracts especially non first round picks maybe even all non first rounders that out perform their rookie contract get a bump the last year of their rookie deal. Nobody knows just yet how much it will be but he will get a bump next year in base pay. Not sure if it's guaranteed or what though.

 

[0311rams]

Are you shitting me? I never knew Eric was that bad at fumbling wtf?

he was so good that even though you hated the fumbles he made up for it most times with an amazing gallop or 2.

 

[0311rams]

I absolutely loved Corum's game in college and whenever he got snaps in horns he looked great. Let's make the backfield a split next year and see what he can do with a larger sample size. I think Corum can really produce in this offense. Top end speed would be great but I would not classify it as essential. The issue is when you don't have it and fumble all the time. If Corum can basically be Williams without ball security issues, that's a great RB1.

really? he went into a game ready to ball out and he broke his arm. is he brittle?

 

[TheTackle]

Over the last two years where would you rank Williams among other running backs? For example, in terms of consistency and impact? He would have to be close to the top, right?

If Williams is a problem then we are doing just fine! I welcome competition but can’t help feeling we would miss him if he wasn’t here and that a team like the Chiefs would scoop him up with grateful hands

Let’s see if Corum beats him out before pronouncing him the new starter…

 

[Ellard80]

Over the last two years where would you rank Williams among other running backs? For example, in terms of consistency and impact? He would have to be close to the top, right?

If Williams is a problem then we are doing just fine! I welcome competition but can’t help feeling we would miss him if he wasn’t here and that a team like the Chiefs would scoop him up with grateful hands

Let’s see if Corum beats him out before pronouncing him the new starter…

Williams "has done fine"

He is actually one of the more productive RB in the NFL.

However he lacks some things and when you throw in the fumbles it's just tough to invest another contract in him.

He will either play out his contract next year or be dealt before that.

But I just can't see him getting an extension.

 

[Corbin]

Eric was our offense. The dude touched the ball damn near every play. This is why talking raw fumbles is worthless without the carry totals for reference.

Yeah he was a fumbler but one of the excuses was those forearm pads touching the ball could make it hard to fully grip. He usually led RBs in fumbles in the reg season.

Dickerson playoff turnovers:

1983 vs Cowboys: 0 fumbles
1983 vs Redskins: 0 fumbles
1984 vs Giants: 1 fumble
1985 vs Cowboys: 0 fumbles
1985 vs Bears: 2 fumbles
1986 vs Redskins: 3 fumbles

Nobody wanted him let go for fumbling though as far as I knew with no social media.

Yeah like Merlin said per carry ratio and it's not really a huge problem. But it was certainly an annoyance.

Those stats are accurate. However....

1. That stat of 78 fumbles is indeed TOTAL fumbles, not fumbles LOST. (The fumbles lost is slightly less, although I can't find a site that adds them all up easily.) Over on NFL.com I see ED's fumble splits by year. For example, in 1983 he had 13 fumbles, but "only" 10 lost, and in 1984 he had 14 fumbles, but "only" 9 lost.

2. The main thing... @OldSchool hit the nail on the head when he wrote: "It's also a different game these days. No back fumbles as much as ED did absolutely nobody does." RB's just fumbled a helluva a lot more in the 80's, I guess. A LOT more. Was just an accepted part of the game, I guess.

3. Eric was indeed a freak. Like Saquon but better. ED would get 5, 8, 12 yards so easily, consistently, from nothing, even with boxes stacked against him. And yeah, he had the afterburner to take it to the house on any carry.

To be honest... I was just hurting from our playoff loss, and wanted to defend Kyren. I think Kyren is a warrior and I'm sure he's beating himself up over the lost fumble, which did indeed come at a crucial time.

Overall I have mixed feelings about Kyren. I'm probably "pro-Kyren" more than most on here. To me, he seems like the engine that makes this offense go. He averaged 5.6 YPC carry yesterday, and most seem to take that for granted. I seem to remember that sometime in 2023 (when Kyren was out with an injury for several games) there were these stats comparing the Rams offense "with and without" Kyren, and it was like night and day... the offense ground to a halt without him.

But yeah, his fumbling is indeed a fucking problem. Of the top 20 or so RB's, looks like he had the most total fumbles with 5, whereas most other guys had 1 or 2 or 3.

I'd have to admit that bringing ED's fumbles into the equation doesn't make much sense. It was just a different era back in those days. And ED wasn't just the MVP of the Rams, he was their entire offense.

he was so good that even though you hated the fumbles he made up for it most times with an amazing gallop or 2.

Absolutely love you guys replying and giving throwing in anything you can. You get the " ED was selfish" comments but I've never once seen any of this info anywhere and for a younger Rams fan (44) I see the highlights of ED but never watched him in game to know little underlining facts like these which are important to paint a picture of how it actually was.

I wish I could find a service to watch past games/seasons every Sunday to familiarize myself with with events and games. Hell you guys always mention past Ram players I'm not familiar with! lol For example Hacksaw Reynolds and how good he was and he was a lot of ROD members favorite players until he left to our rivals the Niners.


As far as Kyren goes, I like him. Think he's a hell of a back and McVay systems engine is the running game. With a star back like Barkley, that's makes this offense unstoppable. Kyren is a good compliment back, he's not a superstar. He only has numbers because he's in McVay's offense. If he'd be on another team i doubt he has as good as numbers, maybe good numbers but not like these.

Last year their were two premier backs on the market (Henry and Saquan) who will be available this year? I think we are going to go by committee since Kyren is in his last year but firmly believe we need a burner and a slobber knocker.

I'm all in favor of Damien Martinez, 4.55 40 time, 6'0 23lbs (I've seen him listed as 240 as well); Derrick Henry 40 time 4.54, 6'3 247lbs.
Like a lesser version of Henry and can grab him probably in the 5th round or so.

Imagine those 3 and shorts or 4th and 1's?

Kyren and Corum are the same back with Corum having a little more pop than Kyren does without the fumble issues. P.s. I watched in College quite a bit, especially Corum.

 

[tklongball]

really? he went into a game ready to ball out and he broke his arm. is he brittle?

WTF? Come on, you know better than that. Football is a violent sport. Does Corum have an injury history, or did he get a bone broken on a freak play? What, brittle like he didn't drink enough milk?