Interesting question…?

[Corbin]

Not to make a new Goff thread but this article is 100% what I saw and felt after that 2018 SB. He was gutless ( more the vehicle term rather than a coward reference.) If anything that trade kicked him in the ass which he needed.

It’s time to tell the truth about the Rams and Jared Goff

Time for the media to stop empathizing with Jared Goff…

sports.yahoo.com

It’s time to tell the truth about the Rams and Jared Goff​

Story by

David Reginek-USA TODAY Sports

Steven Ridings
July 18, 2025 at 1:00 PM MDT·
5 min read

118

The story of the Los Angeles Rams and Jared Goff is not what you think. For years now, the media has coddled Jared Goff; painting him as this hero rising from the ashes to deliver new hope to the Detroit Lions while the Los Angeles Rams were the villain who betrayed the quarterback by trading for Matthew Stafford.
In Season 2 of Netflix’s series Quarterback, episode 1 ensures to pull on the heart strings and empathize for Jared Goff…
“So 2020 season happens, three weeks after the last game of the season, I get a call from [Rams coach] Sean [McVay], and really did not expect anything. He lets me know they’re trading me to Detroit and I’m like, ‘Oh, whoa, OK, alright,’ what the hell, what’s happening?’ And I would say about 30 seconds after that phone call, it was on Twitter.”
So let’s break this down and rewind the tape shall we…
In 2018, after losing Super Bowl LIII 13-3 to the New England Patriots, the Rams gave Jared Goff a massive extension. 4 years $134 million ($110 guaranteed). The deal was the most guaranteed money rewarded to a quarterback…ever.
How did Goff respond the next two seasons? Here’s a breakdown of 2017-2018 Goff vs 2019-2020 Goff…

Pre Super Bowl / Rookie Deal…
QB record: 24-7 (.774%)
TD/INT ratio: 60/19
Sacked: 58 times
GWD: 5
Post Super Bowl & Extension…
QB record: 18-13 (.580%)
TD/INT: 42/29
Sacked: 45 times
GWD: 3

The truth is Jared Goff regressed. And he has no one but to blame but himself. And never once did he take ownership of that regression. He might have made comments about playing better…blah, blah, blah. But there was never a heightened sense of urgency from him or more effort from a guy that just received an extension. You know what Aaron Donald did when he got an extension? He balled out at an even higher level.
Jared Goff couldn’t find a way to beat the 0-13 Jets in the 2020 season. What made you believe he was going to get the Rams back to the Super Bowl in a timely manner?

Goff created waves with Sean McVay​

Again...let’s not mistake Goff for some puppy that was disowned by Sean McVay. Sean McVay tried to coach Jared Goff hard. Playing the quarterback position requires personal ownership. I’m pretty sure Dan Campbell coaches the Detroit Lions hard. Interestingly enough, Jared Goff seemed to take plenty of accountability after mistakes during airing of the Quarterback tv series...
Not many head coaches want an apathetic quarterback leading their offense. Was Sean McVay wrong for being public about Jared Goff in meetings and the locker room? Maybe. Can you blame Sean McVay for being frustrated? No.
Also, did we forget that Jared Goff sent this message in a group chat that was later leaked...
Not sure many head coaches would want to work day in-day out with a quarterback that makes those types of comments about their girlfriend/fiancee/wife.

Goff vs. Stafford Debate (If there is any...)​

For anyone that is still calling the Goff and Stafford trade even... The Rams have a Super Bowl. The Lions do not (still). Here’s the difference about the two: Stafford steps up in big games, Goff does not...

Playoff *Averages* extrapolated over 17 games..​

Goff: 4200 yards, 15 touchdowns, 9 interceptions​

Stafford: 5100 yards, 32 touchdowns, 10 interceptions​

Look no further than what the Rams did in 2021. Stafford led three game winning drives across the divisional, conference championship, and Super Bowl. If you judge the two during their respective times with Los Angeles...

Goff (6 games): 1300 yards, 4 touchdowns, 2 interceptions​

Stafford (7 games): 2088 yards, 15 touchdowns, 3 interceptions​

Jared Goff’s World...​

In Season 2 of Quarterback, Goff said he wished that Los Angeles front office had maturity with how they handled the situation. Um did Goff forget that McVay had repeatedly apologized for his part in the trade news in 2021 without anyone prompting him. I guess forgiveness doesn’t exist. And yet even then, the NFL is a business!
How are you blindsided by a move in which you were benched in favor of John Wolford. (*Disclosure: Wolford has 4 career starts ever). Maybe your agent should have done you better by preparing you for a potential trade since the Rams coaching staff was souring on his performance...

So what’s the recap? Goff regressed. He wasn’t liked by his head coach. He deflects mistakes/avoids accountability. And he can’t perform up to talent level of elite quarterbacks in the NFL. I mean, did he not single handedly cost the #1-seeded Detroit Lions in the divisional game against the Washington Commodes with four turnovers? Stafford doesn’t lose that game...
That’s the truth about Jared Goff. Good perhaps. It’s time for the media to stop letting Goff play victim. He’s just not like Matthew Stafford.

 

[Tano]

Not to make a new Goff thread but this article is 100% what I saw and felt after that 2018 SB. He was gutless ( more the vehicle term rather than a coward reference.) If anything that trade kicked him in the ass which he needed.

Plus, he needed a great center to be a very good QB. Without one, he is just an average QB. We will see if he is able to overcome having just an average center this season. I doubt his replacement will be anywhere near the ability that Frank Ragnow has.

That article is somewhat wrong on Playoff Goff - he played well enough to beat the 49ers in 2023 but the defense let him down, plus two 4th down drops by Reynolds, and kneecapper going for it on 4th down when FGs would have won it for them.

I think the Lions would have beaten the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.

 

[Corbin]

Plus, he needed a great center to be a very good QB. Without one, he is just an average QB. We will see if he is able to overcome having just an average center this season. I doubt his replacement will be anywhere near the ability that Frank Ragnow has.

That article is somewhat wrong on Playoff Goff - he played well enough to beat the 49ers in 2023 but the defense let him down, plus two 4th down drops by Reynolds, and kneecapper going for it on 4th down when FGs would have won it for them.

I think the Lions would have beaten the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.

Yeah, I'm curious how that turns out for us when we play them in season.

 

[OldSchool]

 

[Memento]

...That will forever be me with the Oshie trade.

 

[snackdaddy]

Said it before and I'll say it again. Bucs, 49ers, Bengals. Stafford was clutch in all 3 games when he needed to be. Goff likely would not have gotten us past the Bucs and 49ers both. He doesn't have the clutch gene Stafford has. With that said Goff is a fine quarterback. Can make every throw required of an NFL quarterback. Heck, I might go so far as to say he's the second best quarterback in the NFC behind Stafford. He's just not clutch and struggles with pressure. Something a lot of quarterbacks do.

 

[OldSchool]

He's just not clutch and struggles with pressure.

That game in New Orleans doesn't count? Just curious.

 

[kurtfaulk]

No, because G’s learning curve flattened out due to his girlfriend’s curves.

I haven't read this thread yet but whatever anyone else has said this was the reason Goff didn't improve to the standard Mcvay wanted him to get to.

Mcvay alluded to it after the phins game where Goff made horrible decisions at the line where a free rusher was waiting there to hit him. 5th year qbs should eat that up. Said some players weren't doing enough study. Seeing that Goff was the only one making mistakes, who else could he have been talking about?

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[Corbin]

That game in New Orleans doesn't count? Just curious.

That’s the only one of note to his credit really.

Dude was a deer in the headlights in the SB in a 10-3 game. That was all she wrote for me.

 

[David Ray]

That’s the only one of note to his credit really.

Dude was a deer in the headlights in the SB in a 10-3 game. That was all she wrote for me.

I thought he was going to throw up minutes before opening kickoff when the network had him on camera.

 

[OnceARam]

I haven't read this thread yet but whatever anyone else has said this was the reason Goff didn't improve to the standard Mcvay wanted him to get to.

Mcvay alluded to it after the phins game where Goff made horrible decisions at the line where a free rusher was waiting there to hit him. 5th year qbs should eat that up. Said some players weren't doing enough study. Seeing that Goff was the only one making mistakes, who else could he have been talking about?

.

I agree. There were two GLARING instances where even a fan could tell that Goff was not progressing as a player. As you point out - The Miami game where they were bringing the house (i.e., the same blitz) every play. And (the one I remember but I am sure there are many others) was when he played against Eli Apple. Everyone who had watched Apple play knew that he loved to sit on the comeback routes. So what does Goff do, throw a comeback route to Apple.

My memory could be wrong. It could have been another CB. But the point stands. Goff did not know individual player tendencies or have counters available when defenses did things defenses do. It is mind boggling to this day.

And, last thing, did he not completely melt down in this past years playoffs? I haven`t heard anything about it from the media. It`s like he gets a free pass for some reason.

 

[PARAM]

That game in New Orleans doesn't count? Just curious.

Good question.

How about #9's first 3 postseason games versus New Orleans, Dallas and Seattle?
0-3; 4 TDs 3 Int, 2 FL. 18 PPG of offense.
His clutch gene hadn't quite kicked in yet at age 24, 27 or 29? Or were those just bad performances by the Lions team?

There were two GLARING instances where even a fan could tell that Goff was not progressing as a player. As you point out - The Miami game where they were bringing the house (i.e., the same blitz) every play.

The Tennessee game in 2021 reminded me of that 2018 game vs Miami! They were pressuring seemingly on every play. The Rams D allowed a whopping 194 net yards and we lost 28-16! First 5 possessions we punted twice, kicked a FG and turned the ball over twice. The first pick was Stafford blindly throwing the ball to a defender at the 8 as he was being spun around by another defender near the goal line. They scored 1 play later. Next possession on the very first play, pick 6. We eventually did score a TD with 0:24 remaining to turn a 28-9 rout into a 28-16 loss.

Some fans blamed Goff for that 2018 game vs Miami and some blamed McVay for not adjusting to another New England disciple (Brian Flores) designing a defense to totally befuddle McVay's offense (no matter who was under center). That Titans game featured another New England disciple, Mike Vrabel, and a defensive performance that made the Rams offense look pedestrian.

Now understand, I'm not saying Stafford = Goff. Not even close. Just pointing out that the guy can look just as bad when faced with similar circumstances........a poor game plan vs a great defensive game plan. If that Miami game was a GLARING instance that Goff was not progressing as a player (and I don't particularly agree with that take), the Tennessee game might have been a GLARING instance that McVay was susceptible to a certain style of defense. Completely different QBs, entirely same result. FUGLY.

Having said that, the Rams put up 57 points (in 2 games) last year on Flores' Minnesota defense so maybe McVay has got it solved. Or maybe it takes a certain defensive roster coached a certain way.

 

[OldSchool]

Sorry I got involved in the annual shit on Goff thread. I know better and did it anyways.

 

[Loyal]

Not to make a new Goff thread but this article is 100% what I saw and felt after that 2018 SB. He was gutless ( more the vehicle term rather than a coward reference.) If anything that trade kicked him in the ass which he needed.

It’s time to tell the truth about the Rams and Jared Goff

Time for the media to stop empathizing with Jared Goff…

sports.yahoo.com

It’s time to tell the truth about the Rams and Jared Goff​

Story by

David Reginek-USA TODAY Sports

Steven Ridings
July 18, 2025 at 1:00 PM MDT·
5 min read

118

The story of the Los Angeles Rams and Jared Goff is not what you think. For years now, the media has coddled Jared Goff; painting him as this hero rising from the ashes to deliver new hope to the Detroit Lions while the Los Angeles Rams were the villain who betrayed the quarterback by trading for Matthew Stafford.
In Season 2 of Netflix’s series Quarterback, episode 1 ensures to pull on the heart strings and empathize for Jared Goff…
“So 2020 season happens, three weeks after the last game of the season, I get a call from [Rams coach] Sean [McVay], and really did not expect anything. He lets me know they’re trading me to Detroit and I’m like, ‘Oh, whoa, OK, alright,’ what the hell, what’s happening?’ And I would say about 30 seconds after that phone call, it was on Twitter.”
So let’s break this down and rewind the tape shall we…
In 2018, after losing Super Bowl LIII 13-3 to the New England Patriots, the Rams gave Jared Goff a massive extension. 4 years $134 million ($110 guaranteed). The deal was the most guaranteed money rewarded to a quarterback…ever.
How did Goff respond the next two seasons? Here’s a breakdown of 2017-2018 Goff vs 2019-2020 Goff…

Pre Super Bowl / Rookie Deal…
QB record: 24-7 (.774%)
TD/INT ratio: 60/19
Sacked: 58 times
GWD: 5
Post Super Bowl & Extension…
QB record: 18-13 (.580%)
TD/INT: 42/29
Sacked: 45 times
GWD: 3

The truth is Jared Goff regressed. And he has no one but to blame but himself. And never once did he take ownership of that regression. He might have made comments about playing better…blah, blah, blah. But there was never a heightened sense of urgency from him or more effort from a guy that just received an extension. You know what Aaron Donald did when he got an extension? He balled out at an even higher level.
Jared Goff couldn’t find a way to beat the 0-13 Jets in the 2020 season. What made you believe he was going to get the Rams back to the Super Bowl in a timely manner?

Goff created waves with Sean McVay​

Again...let’s not mistake Goff for some puppy that was disowned by Sean McVay. Sean McVay tried to coach Jared Goff hard. Playing the quarterback position requires personal ownership. I’m pretty sure Dan Campbell coaches the Detroit Lions hard. Interestingly enough, Jared Goff seemed to take plenty of accountability after mistakes during airing of the Quarterback tv series...
Not many head coaches want an apathetic quarterback leading their offense. Was Sean McVay wrong for being public about Jared Goff in meetings and the locker room? Maybe. Can you blame Sean McVay for being frustrated? No.
Also, did we forget that Jared Goff sent this message in a group chat that was later leaked...
Not sure many head coaches would want to work day in-day out with a quarterback that makes those types of comments about their girlfriend/fiancee/wife.

Goff vs. Stafford Debate (If there is any...)​

For anyone that is still calling the Goff and Stafford trade even... The Rams have a Super Bowl. The Lions do not (still). Here’s the difference about the two: Stafford steps up in big games, Goff does not...

Playoff *Averages* extrapolated over 17 games..​

Goff: 4200 yards, 15 touchdowns, 9 interceptions​

Stafford: 5100 yards, 32 touchdowns, 10 interceptions​

Look no further than what the Rams did in 2021. Stafford led three game winning drives across the divisional, conference championship, and Super Bowl. If you judge the two during their respective times with Los Angeles...

Goff (6 games): 1300 yards, 4 touchdowns, 2 interceptions​

Stafford (7 games): 2088 yards, 15 touchdowns, 3 interceptions​

Jared Goff’s World...​

In Season 2 of Quarterback, Goff said he wished that Los Angeles front office had maturity with how they handled the situation. Um did Goff forget that McVay had repeatedly apologized for his part in the trade news in 2021 without anyone prompting him. I guess forgiveness doesn’t exist. And yet even then, the NFL is a business!
How are you blindsided by a move in which you were benched in favor of John Wolford. (*Disclosure: Wolford has 4 career starts ever). Maybe your agent should have done you better by preparing you for a potential trade since the Rams coaching staff was souring on his performance...

So what’s the recap? Goff regressed. He wasn’t liked by his head coach. He deflects mistakes/avoids accountability. And he can’t perform up to talent level of elite quarterbacks in the NFL. I mean, did he not single handedly cost the #1-seeded Detroit Lions in the divisional game against the Washington Commodes with four turnovers? Stafford doesn’t lose that game...
That’s the truth about Jared Goff. Good perhaps. It’s time for the media to stop letting Goff play victim. He’s just not like Matthew Stafford.

muckraker!

*Great, another word to look up! ~ @Allen2McVay

 

[den-the-coach]

Nope.

Once McVay heard what Goff said about his fiance (McVay's wife now) he was gonna be gone. If you didn't hear what Goff said, it was that he wanted to bang Veronica. LOL

I agree, if a friend or associate has an attractive wife or partner, it might be implied, but should never, ever be said.

 

[PARAM]

I agree, if a friend or associate has an attractive wife or partner, it might be implied, but should never, ever be said.

That's testing your own value.....and as it turns out, in his case......it was an over estimate.

 

[Corbin]

I thought he was going to throw up minutes before opening kickoff when the network had him on camera.

That Might not have been a bad thing, possibly could of turned into 'Steamin" Willie Beamen!!

 

[Selassie I]

I agree, if a friend or associate has an attractive wife or partner, it might be implied, but should never, ever be said.

I'll tell you this too even though I probably shouldn't. One of my good friends was a MLB pitcher. When he was just starting out in the minor league, he was on the same team as Goff's dad who was a catcher. They are still close today. I can tell you that Goff's pops wasn't pleased about that whole thing either... even though those baseball players are ruthless to each other in all kinds of ways... they draw the line at bringing in family or girlfriends to their cruel jokes. You gotta have super thick skin to stay in a MLB dugout for a year.

It's not a good move no matter what, and Goff definitely knew better.

 

[PARAM]

Since Goff was drafted #1 in 2016, there have been 119 QBs drafted (120 including Goff). 35 drafted in the first round, including Goff, 42 in the first two rounds. Of those 118 other QBs, 4 have played in a Superbowl. Mahomes (5), Hurts (2) Burrow and Purdy (1 each). Of those other 41 drafted in the first two rounds, 3 have played in a SB. There have been a number who've made it to the CCG. Obviously Mahomes (7), Hurts (2), Burrow (2), Goff (2), Purdy (2), Allen (2) and Danials (1).

If you look back at the QBs drafted each of the last 10 drafts, there are some drafts where many went in the first round. 2018 (5), 2021 (5) and 2024 (6). At the moment they look completely different though. The 2024 class has had just one year but looks promising. So did 2021 after 1 year. 2018 seems to have had some staying power. Mayfield, Allen and Lamar went in the first round as did Darnold. Previous to that draft, you have Mahomes and Goff, Prescott if you're a Cowboys fan.

My point is this......of all the QB drafted since Goff (120), he's one of the top 8 to 10. Maybe higher if there's a disconnect from being a fan. Hell, you could go back 6 years BEFORE Goff and he'd still rank up there until you get to 2012 (Luck), 2009 (Stafford) or 2008 (Ryan). But by then we're talking about current coaches coming out of college as QBs (Zac Robinson 2010; Kevin O'Connell 2008, etc.)

So we can hate on the guy. Call him whatever makes us feel good. But reality is he's pretty good QB and has helped 2 teams get to the CCG. That ain't an accident. But who cares? He's not a Ram anymore!!!!

 

[David Ray]

Said it before and I'll say it again. Bucs, 49ers, Bengals. Stafford was clutch in all 3 games when he needed to be. Goff likely would not have gotten us past the Bucs and 49ers both. He doesn't have the clutch gene Stafford has. With that said Goff is a fine quarterback. Can make every throw required of an NFL quarterback. Heck, I might go so far as to say he's the second best quarterback in the NFC behind Stafford. He's just not clutch and struggles with pressure. Something a lot of quarterbacks do.

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