How do we keep OBJ??

[Ellard80]

There is zero disrespect for Woods in this thread. Discussing the movement of a player in order to add a better player to the team going forward is a discussion that we need to have. Because Odell is a better player.

The question with Odell is will he give you the dedication and focused play you get with a driven guy like Woods. Yes you will get improved potency in matchups vs CB1s and CB2s with Odell. But will he deliver over the course of the contract? It's a tough decision but I think he is similar to Ramsey in that you know he's going to do the work because he wants the glory and the affirmation of being a top player. But it is certainly risky to sign Odell, and that is before you make room for him and deal a good team guy like Woods.


Agreed. Though I will observe that Odell can do what Woods does but Woods cannot do what Odell does.

Finding a player of Odell's ability where we draft is not gonna happen. The guy is supremely talented and guys like him are gone in every draft before pick 20 or so. I really appreciate Woods and what he does for us too. I love Woods. But there's a cap there with him being a possession receiver who does a bit of everything. There is no cap with Odell. He's a guy you can win with matched up on a top corner, even on low percentage plays. The guy makes a low percentage fade look like a gimme.

The good thing here is that if Odell leaves in FA he's gonna get a big payday and recoup us a round 3 pick. But for me I'd rather keep the guy we have zero chance of drafting for the next couple years.

wow you really think obj is better than woods? This thread is a bit mind boggling to me.

OBJ has averaged 38.9 yards per game receiving with the rams - woods the last 3-4 seasons is around 75 ypg

obj has 6 tds in 9 games this year... woods had 4 - so obj is a better red zone target but overall reciever?

No way am i calling OBJ better than woods - not at this point in their careers.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Great point. I think he will have to hope he remembers all those shit teams he was on and how unhappy he was. Then it comes down to is a paycheck that is 2-5m higher per year worth all the unhappiness vs how much fun he is having not to mention maybe he makes up the $ disparity by longevity getting to play longer which is a factor nobody accounts for in negotiations especially when he gets cut or his big contract guaranteed $ is up. He never seems to be happy on inferior teams with 5he Rams he seems super happy - translation he plays better, his career continues at a high octane pace.

Another thing Cowherd speculated on is that when OBJ is not happy and not surrounded by talent, then that’s when they trouble starts. On the Rams he’s got big time professionals on his team. Being around AD, Kupp, Stafford, Ramsey etc can keep him grounded. So the culture is better for him even if they aren’t winning.

 

[jacktheripper85]

Odell Beckham Jr. hit with PED test after big game vs. Cardinals

Odell Beckham Jr. reacted to being hit with another drug test after his big game in the Rams' win over the Cardinals

www.yahoo.com

NFL already trying to help out a Tom Brady team. Lol

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

wow you really think obj is better than woods? This thread is a bit mind boggling to me.

OBJ has averaged 38.9 yards per game receiving with the rams - woods the last 3-4 seasons is around 75 ypg

obj has 6 tds in 9 games this year... woods had 4 - so obj is a better red zone target but overall reciever?

No way am i calling OBJ better than woods - not at this point in their careers.

I agree. It’s a trade off imo. OBJ has big play potential. He’s flashier. Woods actually has a better catch % and runs great routes. To me they are just different style players but there is roles for each in the Rams offense.

Trading Woods contract could prove difficult, if they went that route. I’d rather they didn’t.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Odell Beckham Jr. hit with PED test after big game vs. Cardinals

Odell Beckham Jr. reacted to being hit with another drug test after his big game in the Rams' win over the Cardinals

www.yahoo.com

NFL already trying to help out a Tom Brady team. Lol

Unreal. Did he ever test positive in the past?

I believe the league will stay the course and help out Brady as much as they can. They did it very early in the Eagles game. An Eagle defender was going after Brady, he got a shove from the Olineman and couldn’t pull up. He clearly tried and didn’t hit Tom hard but he got the UNR penalty. Complete BS

 

[RamFan503]

yeah I'm honestly not really concerned either way - I just never viewed it as a long term investment.

I dunno. McVay has been reported as wanting OBJ for years. He's got him now. I just don't see him letting him go.

 

[Merlin]

Odell Beckham Jr. hit with PED test after big game vs. Cardinals

Odell Beckham Jr. reacted to being hit with another drug test after his big game in the Rams' win over the Cardinals

www.yahoo.com

NFL already trying to help out a Tom Brady team. Lol

Agreed. They want a Tampa Bay / Green Bay matchup with Rodgers / Brady headlines for days.

Rams need to crash that fucking party and shit on the floor.

 

[Mackeyser]

wow you really think obj is better than woods? This thread is a bit mind boggling to me.

OBJ has averaged 38.9 yards per game receiving with the rams - woods the last 3-4 seasons is around 75 ypg

obj has 6 tds in 9 games this year... woods had 4 - so obj is a better red zone target but overall reciever?

No way am i calling OBJ better than woods - not at this point in their careers.

They do different things.

That's why we need both.

Kupp is a guy who can play every receiving position and is arguably the best WR in the NFL with Davante Adams and DeAndre Hopkins also being in that mix.

Woods is a stud, DAWG possession receiver with excellent YAC and can do the dirty work in the middle. He's the heart and soul of our offense.

OBJ is a 1-on-1, high-pointing, man coverage beating MONSTER.

WE NEED ALL THREE.

The question isn't IF we retain them, but HOW.

What we know is that OBJ LOVES LA, loves McVay and loves this team. The notion that he's gonna take a paycheck to be miserable like in Cleveland when he could make up any money lost on salary with endorsements and QoL improvements living in LA... seems like an easy deal to me.

I do see a Woods restructure coming, but not in a move to get him out, but to fit everyone under the cap.

 

[RamDino]

I don't think Sony Michele will be here next year. He will be looking to get paid after having a good year and completing his rookie contract. He's been great for the Rams, and I love the way he runs, but you can find running backs in the 6th round. I would pay someone else. Maybe use the savings to help pay OBJ.

 

[Merlin]

wow you really think obj is better than woods? This thread is a bit mind boggling to me.

OBJ has averaged 38.9 yards per game receiving with the rams - woods the last 3-4 seasons is around 75 ypg

obj has 6 tds in 9 games this year... woods had 4 - so obj is a better red zone target but overall reciever?

No way am i calling OBJ better than woods - not at this point in their careers.

If you think Woods is in OBJ's class then I can't help you. Let's agree to disagree.

 

[Ellard80]

If you think Woods is in OBJ's class then I can't help you. Let's agree to disagree.

The odell beckham of 2014-2016? Yeah much more explosive and dynamic.

The odell beckham of 2017-2021 30 injuries later? yeah no way.

 

[Riverumbbq]

We need both of them.

Woods is a key precision route runner, blocker, pass catcher. Incredibly smart, tough, do it all professional.

OBJ is also smart and professional, but has a rare abilty to get open, make plays, catch the ball. He is an exceptional weapon when paired with a qb who can get him the ball.

Those two and Kupp would be unstoppable.

NEEDING both of them and desiring both of them for a fans concept of a very expensive WR dream unit on a team which will potentially have big holes on the offensive line next season, a likely need for a quality #2 TE, a desire to re-sign Sony Michel, prioritizing the re-signing of Von Miller at OLB, seeking additional depth at ILB, and securing excellence at two different defensive back positions, ... I believe this 'need' is being exaggerated.
Robert Woods has missed the last 9 games this season, yet somehow the Rams find themselves 2 wins from an appearance in the Super Bowl, so I'd venture to say that need may be secondary to want. As others have mentioned earlier, chemistry does appear a bit off between Stafford & Woods at times where it was pretty immediate with Kupp, and considering OBJ had no pre-season with Stafford or the Rams, it would seem that OBJ's chemistry with Stafford has grown quite rapidly. Woods had 5 TD's in 543 snaps this season, OBJ has 6 TD's with 416 offensive snaps. There's also that little episode where Kupp was on fire and Woods was apparently disappointed by Stafford's not targeting him as often as he would like, ... so the question must be asked if this portends a future problem as the addition of OBJ only exacerbates this situation. While a dream team wide-receiving unit looks good on paper, ... at what cost elsewhere ?
There is no doubt about Woods being an excellent WR and locker room asset, his future market value for the Rams isn't likely to ever be higher than it will be upon his return, if this translates to a trade then I would find it more than understandable.
jmo.

 

[Classic Rams]

Woods just does so much more in this offense. But I give huge props to OBJ for his play as a very good replacement. Would love to see him break out vs Bucs.

 

[MachS]

wow you really think obj is better than woods? This thread is a bit mind boggling to me.

OBJ has averaged 38.9 yards per game receiving with the rams - woods the last 3-4 seasons is around 75 ypg

obj has 6 tds in 9 games this year... woods had 4 - so obj is a better red zone target but overall reciever?

No way am i calling OBJ better than woods - not at this point in their careers.

Come on man Woods has been in this same system for 5 years now. He knows every single detail through and through just like Kupp does. OBJ came over mid-season with zero understanding of this system. He had to learn on the fly to grasp the concepts, the verbiage, alignments, what his role would be, etc. All while having zero chemistry with his QB. Woods had great chemistry with Goff the last 3-4 seasons which is what contributed to his great production.

OBJ was asked a few weeks ago in one of his post game press conferences how he was coming along learning the offense. He said it's been "extremely difficult" and its hard when he wasn't here in the off-season to lay the "foundational understanding". He said McVay added around 100 new plays in the last couple weeks that he had to learn, all while still trying to learn the primary concepts of this offense and the alignments. We run one of the most complicated offensive schemes in the NFL if not THE most complicated. When Wade Phillips was on Cowherd's show this year talking about Stafford and how hard it would be for him to learn the system, he said it would be incredibly tough due to how complicated McVay's system is.

OBJ isn't on the field for 100% of the snaps like Woods was because he doesn't have the grasp of everything yet. But he's been dominant in the Red Zone because that is just raw athleticism and winning his 1-on-1 matchups which he's been doing forever. Next year after a full off-season we will see the true OBJ potential in this offense. Especially if we trade Woods and open up those targets for him. This is why it's amazing how he's been so effective through 8 weeks.

 

[MarkyMark]

One thing we have going for us is this is truly the happiest I’ve seen him be after his second year. He’s having fun and feel appreciated, which I think is something he’s been missing

From what people are saying, OBJ loves the coach and the rest of the team! I really believe he'll take less money to stay. Some guys are all about the money, and others want that ring and will take a pay cut to get it. Would love to see him and Von Miller stay.... Without sacrificing Woods. OBJ, Kupp, Woods, and Jefferson.... I would keep Powell and trade Tutu.

 

[Ellard80]

Come on man Woods has been in this same system for 5 years now. He knows every single detail through and through just like Kupp does. OBJ came over mid-season with zero understanding of this system. He had to learn on the fly to grasp the concepts, the verbiage, alignments, what his role would be, etc. All while having zero chemistry with his QB. Woods had great chemistry with Goff the last 3-4 seasons which is what contributed to his great production.

OBJ was asked a few weeks ago in one of his post game press conferences how he was coming along learning the offense. He said it's been "extremely difficult" and its hard when he wasn't here in the off-season to lay the "foundational understanding". He said McVay added around 100 new plays in the last couple weeks that he had to learn, all while still trying to learn the primary concepts of this offense and the alignments. We run one of the most complicated offensive schemes in the NFL if not THE most complicated. When Wade Phillips was on Cowherd's show this year talking about Stafford and how hard it would be for him to learn the system, he said it would be incredibly tough due to how complicated McVay's system is.

OBJ isn't on the field for 100% of the snaps like Woods was because he doesn't have the grasp of everything yet. But he's been dominant in the Red Zone because that is just raw athleticism and winning his 1-on-1 matchups which he's been doing forever. Next year after a full off-season we will see the true OBJ potential in this offense. Especially if we trade Woods and open up those targets for him. This is why it's amazing how he's been so effective through 8 weeks.

was obj not in the system for the past 3 years producing nearly nothing?

 

[wolfdogg]

Best possible scenario, trade Woods to Detroit, and I love Woods, but OBJ makes Rams a better and more dangerous team.

train

Best scenario is to have Woods kupp
and obj on the field at the same time.

Defenses would have to be in dime or zone, so Akers would run for 2k while higbee and whoever was being covered by the 3rd db on any given play would have a field day. And that's with man coverage.

With zone, it wouldn't be fair. All 3 of those guys would be open.

 

[MachS]

was obj not in the system for the past 3 years producing nearly nothing?

In who's system? Cleveland's? You think every teams' offense is the same or what?

I think the last the last 8 games have shown Mayfield was the big issue in Cleveland. Just wasn't a good fit. But no their offense is completely different. This shit isn't Madden man. Changing teams mid season is hard af.

 

[Ellard80]

In who's system? Cleveland's? You think every teams' offense is the same or what?

I think the last the last 8 games have shown Mayfield was the big issue in Cleveland. Just wasn't a good fit. But no their offense is completely different. This shit isn't Madden man. Changing teams mid season is hard af.

my point is he was in the same system for 3 years and not producing.

including a lot of injuries.

listen i like what he has brought to the offense - but homie averaging 39 yards per game and people want to call him better than woods.

I mean maybe he could be better than woods....

I must have been watching different games for the past 4 years

because ive seen OBJ play in a lot of games and woods in a lot of games - and its not even close who has looked better and made more plays - could give a fuck about which offenses - im also talking about catching the ball in traffic, RAC - basically just playing football.

 

[FarNorth]

In who's system? Cleveland's? You think every teams' offense is the same or what?

I think the last the last 8 games have shown Mayfield was the big issue in Cleveland. Just wasn't a good fit. But no their offense is completely different. This shit isn't Madden man. Changing teams mid season is hard af.

A receiver could be in Cleveland's system until the cows come home and never accomplish anything. And the cows would never come home.