Hole at WR is a problem

[RamBradford85]

Well, Jefferson wasn’t really good. Being better than a bad player doesn’t make him great, does it?

Look at the end of the regular season. They needed receiving help. Stafford needed help. Demarcus and Kupp struggled in man coverage. Why wasn’t Tutu put in in those games if he’s so good at getting free releases and separating in man coverage? They needed someone to step up and it never occurred to the coaches or Stafford that they had this amazing weapon standing on the sideline?

I feel that logic but they wasn’t gone bench Kupp

There is no way Choo Choo could play Kupp’s role. Not in a million years. He’s not physical enough to block like Kupp. Kupp basically plays the move tight end in a 12 personnel front. That’s usually a bigger body.

im talking strictly as the motion man …. He will be just as effective or more in the passing game

 

[WestCoastRam]

You obviously haven’t seen the boobs and ass threads.

But seriously, I don’t think you’re getting the vibe here. This is a place where Rams fans are at a bar, downing alcohol, sharing their opinions with each other, talking shit, having fun as fellow homers of the team, and it’s chill.

I’m looking at your posts and…well, it feels like you’re arguing for the sake of it.

Eh it's all good with this guy, my original post was a joke post that I kinda assumed wouldn't get much play on here but I couldn't not make it.

 

[NorthernRam]

I’m not even sure of your point at the moment. It’s a one year deal. He’s young, he could get more security than that if he’s really that good. If he’s so good why didn’t some team offer him a 3 year 33 million contract, with guaranteed money?

Tutu is very small and light. He’s definitely got physical limitations. I don’t believe the coaches made a 4 year mistake by not starting him. They saw his good games just like you did. They still kept him as the fourth option.

Jourdan said the Rams view him as their field stretcher next year. They just signed him to play a very specific role.

If he balls out and has a great season playing as a full time starter in 2025, then call me out in the end of December and say I told you so. Until then it’s all just projection.

I don't think that anyone on this site has said that McVay made a 4 year mistake in not starting Atwell, but he most assuredly made a 4 year mistake in not using him in the role as a field stretcher - and McVay now re-signing Atwell to work in that role confirms it.

Talking about Atwell's new salary and the length of term are irrelevant, what is more salient is the fact that the Rams failed to use a player's primary asset in an area where the Rams have been clearly deficient, whether that player be a starter or a bench piece.

McVay talks often about the need for explosive plays.

I've said it before on this forum that the easiest way to achieve explosives is to attack the high safeties with your speed receivers.

Unlike outside corners, safeties and most nickle backs rarely have elite long speed and just cannot stay with the faster passcatchers for an extended period of time - e.g., the long td passes by both the Eagles and the Chiefs in the Super Bowl went through the deep middle of the defence.

McVay rarely took deep shots in that area, and instead we did a lot of dink and dunk, station to station football.

Sometimes you just take a shot to get the defence to back off.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I don't think that anyone on this site has said that McVay made a 4 year mistake in not starting Atwell, but he most assuredly made a 4 year mistake in not using him in the role as a field stretcher - and McVay now re-signing Atwell to work in that role confirms it.

Talking about Atwell's new salary and the length of term are irrelevant, what is more salient is the fact that the Rams failed to use a player's primary asset in an area where the Rams have been clearly deficient, whether that player be a starter or a bench piece.

McVay talks often about the need for explosive plays.

I've said it before on this forum that the easiest way to achieve explosives is to attack the high safeties with your speed receivers.

Unlike outside corners, safeties and most nickle backs rarely have elite long speed and just cannot stay with the faster passcatchers for an extended period of time - e.g., the long td passes by both the Eagles and the Chiefs in the Super Bowl went through the deep middle of the defence.

McVay rarely took deep shots in that area, and instead we did a lot of dink and dunk, station to station football.

Sometimes you just take a shot to get the defence to back off.

Well, I’m sure there is a reason or many that McVay didn’t use Tutu as much as some here would have liked.

But to your first point, there are a few here that say Tutu would have been better than Demarcus Robertson as the third receiver. I think if that was the case he would have been the third receiver. There is a lot we do not know, that coaches don’t tell reporters.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Big difference to those guys... those two were expected to be starters at key positions.

Tutu is a 3rd/4th guy.. but one with defined traits that makes him valuable in different situations. It's also a one year deal and, as a percentage of the cap, it's a pretty minor hit.. or a slight overpay, if you prefer.

Except teams don’t usually want to use a second round pick on a spot starter. A lot of 3rd and 4th receivers can be found later in the draft.

I don’t mind the signing. I see it as security. If it was a three year deal I’d think it was something more.

 

[Londoner]

With the obvious BPA caveat, WR has to be in consideration at 26. Adams is no longer a youngster, and Tutu is on a one-year “prove it” deal.

 

[Pupped]

Except teams don’t usually want to use a second round pick on a spot starter. A lot of 3rd and 4th receivers can be found later in the draft.

I don’t mind the signing. I see it as security. If it was a three year deal I’d think it was something more.

His draft position doesn't mean anything anymore. This is about his value as a FA signing.

So.. if you're still hanging onto what the Rams missed out on by drafting Tutu, you're mis-evaluating the FA signing.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

His draft position doesn't mean anything anymore. This is about his value as a FA signing.

So.. if you're still hanging onto what the Rams missed out on by drafting Tutu, you're mis-evaluating the FA signing.

Not in the least. You must not have read my entire reply, or you chose to ignore it completely

I said “I don’t mind the signing”. Does that address my opinion on him just being signed to a one year deal?

 

[NorthernRam]

Well, I’m sure there is a reason or many that McVay didn’t use Tutu as much as some here would have liked.

But to your first point, there are a few here that say Tutu would have been better than Demarcus Robertson as the third receiver. I think if that was the case he would have been the third receiver. There is a lot we do not know, that coaches don’t tell reporters.

What we do know is that Atwell got a $10million/one year contract to stay, and Robinson was allowed to leave for only $9.5million for 2 years - organizational decision.

Coaches make mistakes.

The way the Rams made a complete U-turn on Atwell doesn't make sense. He went from essentially being an unused afterthought in the playoffs, to apparently being promised a much increased role next season.

I strongly suspect that Snead's phone blew up with trade offers for Atwell after the season, prior to free agency, causing the Rams to reassess their opinion of him.

I have never said that Atwell is an all-pro or anything, but when you watch the guy, he can really play.

He just gets open all the time.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

What we do know is that Atwell got a $10million/one year contract to stay, and Robinson was allowed to leave for only $9.5million for 2 years - organizational decision.

Coaches make mistakes.

The way the Rams made a complete U-turn on Atwell doesn't make sense. He went from essentially being an unused afterthought in the playoffs, to apparently being promised a much increased role next season.

I strongly suspect that Snead's phone blew up with trade offers for Atwell after the season, prior to free agency, causing the Rams to reassess their opinion of him.

I have never said that Atwell is an all-pro or anything, but when you watch the guy, he can really play.

He just gets open all the time.

Do you really think it works like that?

First of all Tutu was a free agent. No team was calling the Rams offering to trade for him. And, even if your scenario happened, do you really think Snead needs some other GMs opinion to make roster decisions? That’s hilarious. You watch the games but you don’t pay attention to anything else apparently.

Get back to me near the end of next season and we will see if the little choo choo got up that hill or if he’s back to playing a part time role. Until then, your just hoping and wishing.

Hopefully someone reminds me to take you off ignore by the end of December.

 

[Ram_Rally]

@Memento do we still want Burden? I kinda do

 

[dieterbrock]

I strongly suspect that Snead's phone blew up with trade offers for Atwell after the season, prior to free agency, causing the Rams to reassess their opinion of him.

Why would teams call with trade offers for a free agent? Atwell wasnt under contract

 

[OldSchool]

No hole at WR! We have Tutu!

 

[Memento]

@Memento do we still want Burden? I kinda do

YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!

 

[muggmeister]

Well I can predict with complete confidence that the following will occur in 2025:

1. Tutu will have some good games and some games he disappears.

2. His fans will complain that he is not utilized enough.

3. He will move on after the season to another team.

But maybe I'm wrong. And I'd love to be wrong on point 1. I'd love to see him put up a huge year, but to expect a leopard to change his spots is not a winning mindset. So we'll see what happens but believe it or not I always root for him.

Tutu may be more valuable to us beyond the numbers this year. Adams and Nacua will command a shitload of targets, and with Higbee serving as the check-down and KWs ability in the pass game, there won't be a ton of opportunities. I don't know what a successful year should look like, I'm guessing 50-60 catches and around 700 yards would be considered great? If he helps stretch the field to help the others isolate underneath this offense will roll. Add in a Warren, Loveland, Jeanty or Hampton and we may return to the GSOT days.

 

[Ram_Rally]

YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!

Hell yeah!

 

[Pupped]

Not in the least. You must not have read my entire reply, or you chose to ignore it completely

I said “I don’t mind the signing”. Does that address my opinion on him just being signed to a one year deal?

Not in the least? Then, why start your post out with that?

 

[NorthernRam]

Do you really think it works like that?

First of all Tutu was a free agent. No team was calling the Rams offering to trade for him. And, even if your scenario happened, do you really think Snead needs some other GMs opinion to make roster decisions? That’s hilarious. You watch the games but you don’t pay attention to anything else apparently.

Get back to me near the end of next season and we will see if the little choo choo got up that hill or if he’s back to playing a part time role. Until then, your just hoping and wishing.

Hopefully someone reminds me to take you off ignore by the end of December.

Calling people little choo choo may make you feel more like more of a man, but it's a joke because - unlike you - at least Atwell has the balls to go on the field against NFL players.

Taking shots at guys because of their size is really cheap, even if it makes you feel better about yourself.

It's best to stick to football-related commentary.

Know your facts before spouting off, players are under contract and are not free agents until March 12th, the start of the new league year.

(BTW, please feel free to ignore my posts).

 

[Neil039]

Why would teams call with trade offers for a free agent? Atwell wasnt under contract

Stop with your common sense!

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Not in the least? Then, why start your post out with that?

What? Its literally in my reply. "I don't mind the signing.". What don you understand?