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Problem solved. Well, at least it's a start in the right direction.
Holding big leads
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It’s worth noting that having a QB with legs is a plus when trying to run clock, get a few 1st downs and simply possess the ball late game with a lead.
After two straight unimaginative worthless runs and facing 3rd and 7, if Stafford drops back and it’s covered up, you’re staring at 4th and long PUNT every time. A QB with legs gives you a shot to convert and keep running more clock.
Not an excuse, just a reality.
After two straight unimaginative worthless runs and facing 3rd and 7, if Stafford drops back and it’s covered up, you’re staring at 4th and long PUNT every time. A QB with legs gives you a shot to convert and keep running more clock.
Not an excuse, just a reality.
When we have a large lead and McVay starts doing 3 and out runs up the gut, it seems that our CBs start giving 10 yard cushions to WRs needing 7 yards for 1st downs. I'm not saying we need to go bombs away, but do play action with passes. If we score 60 points, then so be it.
I agree on the reality there. My two issues are: 1) they try to run clock with way too much time left, and 2) when they do, they start with two unimaginative runs.
I propose that they do neither of those things.
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It's mainly the prevent D and meek play calling on O that gets us in trouble, but the "special" teams have done enough damage to lose us games all by themselves.
At least they have started to address that issue!
At least they have started to address that issue!
That has been an issue in years past, but we didn't go run/run/run at any point really though. After the INT (before the punt return we went run/run/pass, which isn't crazy, and then the possession after we passed all three plays.
I don't think the cushions have burned us this year either....Seattle went from being out of the game to being tied having to only run two offensive plays.
Against Philly I don't think we were giving cushions either, they just attacked our CBs and have elite WRs
There is a big difference in calling and playing to win versus playing not to lose.
If I recall correctly, after being up 30-14 there were 5 series in a row that they went punt or missed field goal. Three of those were 3 and out.
I think McVay calls it too reserved with a 2 score lead instead of stomping on their throats. They should have had 40+ and the Seahawks would have rolled over.
The defense was also playing soft until it was too late. Once it was tied they put on pressure to try winning before OT. Once we had the lead in OT they went back to that soft bullshit.
Not every game is the same but, McVay should know better than to let up.
If I recall correctly, after being up 30-14 there were 5 series in a row that they went punt or missed field goal. Three of those were 3 and out.
I think McVay calls it too reserved with a 2 score lead instead of stomping on their throats. They should have had 40+ and the Seahawks would have rolled over.
The defense was also playing soft until it was too late. Once it was tied they put on pressure to try winning before OT. Once we had the lead in OT they went back to that soft bullshit.
Not every game is the same but, McVay should know better than to let up.
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McVay has always played "nice guy football" when he has a two score lead or more. He did it against the Eagles, and was lucky there wasn't more time on the clock in the Detroit game, and now the Seattle game.
Never understood the not having killer instinct when playing football...
Never understood the not having killer instinct when playing football...
Play type after going up 30-14:
Run/run/pass (Puka had to break up an interception)
Pass/pass/pass
Run/pass/pass
Then we had a 7 play FG drive, 7 play drive to get to midfield, then the TD in OT
Since we moved the ball on the final three drives, and were mostly passing there too, we'll just focus on the three 3 and outs, all of which happened right after the Kobie Turner INT when we were up 30-14.
We called 6 pass plays and 3 run plays.
So this is not the game IMO to critique McVay for getting too conservative. If he called all pass plays, we'd be saying why didn't he run the ball more.
We just didn't execute for a few series and Seattle did - that is normal.
What is not normal is kicking a low line drive 40 yard punt to a dangerous returner.
When you have the opponent down you have to have that killer instinct and go ahead in for the Kill. I hope that McVay realizes that after this recent collapse. Better to learn these like lessons during the regular season then in the playoffs. If you don't learn from your mistakes you are doomed to repeat them. I was glad to see him cut ties with Blackburn now and not wait for him to cost the Rams a playoff game. With very few exceptions nice guys finish last in the competitive sports world. As I have said before Kurt Warner is one of those exceptions.
This is what it boils down to. But I think philosophically McVay has been a bit too quick to sit on leads and trust his defense. An adjustment is required there and I expect that's coming.
Yeah I think this hits it on the head. More emphasis on burning clock through achievement of first downs. There must be some risk taken in those moments. Going full risk averse is losing mentality and again I expect he will adjust because he's not stupid.
I get what you’re saying but without knowing the calls and the passes in those plays I wouldn’t say passing is always more aggressive. Pass plays can also be conservative.
We watched the game though and we know we were decently aggressive....there were a few short passes to Puka, but it was a good mix overall. Just one WR screen call
I'm late to the party, but doesn't the Ken Stabler rule apply to Seattle's mysterious ref overturned 2 point conversion? (Never mind the whistle).
I thought in the last two minutes or on a 2 Pt attempt, a fumble can only be recovered by the fumbler (in this case Darnold) or if recovered by a teammate, it goes back to where the fumble occurred.
I thought in the last two minutes or on a 2 Pt attempt, a fumble can only be recovered by the fumbler (in this case Darnold) or if recovered by a teammate, it goes back to where the fumble occurred.
Has McVay EVER called a conventional screen pass? Or designed any pass plays specifically for the RBs? I see teams run plays for 3-7 yards all the time using their backs. It's almost always a safe play that will keep the clock running and the defense guessing.
duanevalle22
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How have they addressed the issue? Ya they got rid of the ST coach, but what player personnel have the Rams changed?
The only way to fix the issues is the offense get first downs.
It is an NFL issue. It is what the NFL wants. Close games late. All the rules, and the way the refs influence the games are designed to make the last 4 minutes exciting, Always. We have actually bucked the trend in a lot of games this year. We have had a lot of comfortable victories.
If there is a two touchdown lead in the 4th quarter its easy to predict the defense will take the foot off the gas and the opposing team will end up with a quick score. If the offense responds with a score of their own then its ok. But if they end up punting its gonna be tough to regain the lost momentum.