Gurley: Metrics that Matter PFF

[LACHAMP46]

Was Cignetti worse than Boras?

No I don't believe he was. They're about on the same level, with Cignetti having a slight edge imo.

Cignetti was significantly better than Boras...JMO....but it's telling that Cigs will be an OC again...Boras...and who was the other guy again? will NEVER be in charge of an offense again.

Still, this is on Todd and his O-Line...not Kromer...Not McVay....Cause I can guarantee if we grab a FA of the street...he'll gain positive yards in this offense...even with the same linemen.

 

[whitedk57]

It doesn't take much anaylyzing to conclude why Gurley didn't fare as well last season. Bad OL. Bad OC.

You forgot one - suspect off-season workouts.

 

[CGI_Ram]

You forgot one - suspect off-season workouts.

I don't think I've heard that before?

 

[tempests]

I don't think I've heard that before?

It comes up from time to time in a Gurley thread.

It started with journalist to the stars, Jason Cole, passing on a rumor from "unnamed Rams coaches" that Gurley had skipped most of last years offseason program.

View: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2689592-insider-buzz-outgoing-rams-coaching-staff-blames-todd-gurleys-struggles-on-him


Of course, as I've pointed out several times before, it's not very hard to prove the exact opposite.

http://www.espn.com/blog/st-louis-r...own-todd-gurley-enjoying-california-lifestyle

Gurley has been so engrossed in his first full offseason program Rams coach Jeff Fisher has almost had to tell him to dial it back.

“He’s not missed a day and he’s running extra after practice," Fisher said. "He’s doing everything to the point where you almost say, ‘Let’s back down a little bit.’ He’s had an impressive offseason.”

 

[Snaz]

I always love when they say things like "take away his longest runs and he would rank here" while not taking away the longest runs of the other RBs they are putting him behind.

We all know Gurley had a bad year last year. I suspect most have a good idea of why that was. I guess we'll see. I think Gurley will show to be at least a very good RB this season. And it's still possible for him to be a great one.

Hope he watches some SJ highlights to geek him up.

When really doing statistics it's best to throw away the top 5% and bottom 5% to get the abnormalities thrown out and get a true better average. But if you throw out all Gurley's long runs you have to do the same to the other backs to get a true comparison, so definitely agree there. Is Gurley a feast or famine back? In other words was he only really good on the long runs in his rookie year? What was Barry Sanders?

 

[Tailback]

How does his offseason workouts affect the fact that he was a leader in the "first hit behind the line of scrimmage" category?

 

[NateDawg122]

You forgot one - suspect off-season workouts.

The only time this was brought up was after the season and it was mainly from a short piece of Bleacher Report, which doesn't qualify as a credible source. Especially considering it was Jason Cole who made the report.

 

[Corbin]

All you need to know is asked by this question, "how many times was Gurley tackled by multiple defenders behind the line of scrimmage?"

Careful. If you watch even a quarter of a game with this question in mind, bring some Pepto because it's nauseating...

Actually we should make that into a drinking game. Take a shot everytime you see Gurley get hit in the backfield .

You Will be smashed by halftime!

 

[Mojo Ram]

Cignetti was significantly better than Boras...JMO.

Agreed.

 

[JonRam99]

Agreed.

I think this is also a non-statistical factor in Gurley's / Goff's / O-line's performance:
Opposing defenders said they knew what plays were coming. How do you measure that? the OL and Gurley and Goff could be executing the play as called, but when the D knows what you're about to do it doesn't really matter. It's not that they were cheating, it's just that we didn't do a good enough job in the technique department to mask "tells" and disguise plays. That's where I think McVay & co. will help teach our guys the technique they need to be better players & not give away plays, & stop relying on effort alone.
They also made the effort to bring in more technically sound players.

 

[LACHAMP46]

Goff could be executing the play as called, but when the D knows what you're about to do it doesn't really matter.

Not necessarily...At some level on most plays, the defense KNOWS where the offense is trying to attack..or exploit. It's up to the offensive players, man to man, to execute BETTER than their opponent. Sorta like 3rd and 1....and you need to run. Get some push from all these huge linemen and make it...Same with a 3rd and 8....we need a 9 yard completion....get open, deliver a good pass, and catch the ball.

 

[DaveFan'51]

You forgot one - suspect off-season workouts.

You nailed it!! Can't forget all those workouts that he couldn't run, and that Fisher wouldn't allow anyone to get near him in, because he was afraid Gurley would get hurt!
Fisher never got the fact, in order to be good at your craft/ technique you have to practice it!! Preferably at full speed and in Pads!!

 

[tempests]

You nailed it!! Can't forget all those workouts that he couldn't run, and that Fisher wouldn't allow anyone to get near him in, because he was afraid Gurley would get hurt!
Fisher never got the fact, in order to be good at your craft/ technique you have to practice it!! Preferably at full speed and in Pads!!

Dave, they weren't hitting him in 2015 either, when he was rehabbing from his ACL injury, and he was a Pro Bowler and Rookie of the Year.

Other running backs get similar treatment, some even more so. Not only did the Chargers treat LaDainian Tomlinson like fine china in practice, he went like five years without playing in the preseason.

 

[DaveFan'51]

Dave, they weren't hitting him in 2015 either, when he was rehabbing from his ACL injury, and he was a Pro Bowler and Rookie of the Year.

Other running backs get similar treatment, some even more so. Not only did the Chargers treat LaDainian Tomlinson like fine china in practice, he went like five years without playing in the preseason.

Good points!! But I can see them being careful in Gurley's rookie year, because of him coming off an injury, But in his 2nd year he should have been allowed to practice and fine tune his craft. He wasn't allowed to! It's the Old rule ' Practice makes Perfect!' JMHO

 

[DCH]

In 2015, he had more or less the same line - Robinson, Saffold, Barnes, Brown, Havenstein - as he did in 2016. The O-line had the same coach - Boudreau. Neither season had an impressive or creative OC.

I wonder if coaches gameplanned more for a passing game with Foles under center than they did Keenum/Goff, or if coaches gameplanned less for a rookie RB than they did for one with an impressive 12 games under his belt.

Gurley also seemed to break more tackles as a rookie; losing 15 pounds in the offseason probably didn't help. He's fast enough at 230, and harder to bring down with more mass.

 

[Mackeyser]

I think this is also a non-statistical factor in Gurley's / Goff's / O-line's performance:
Opposing defenders said they knew what plays were coming. How do you measure that? the OL and Gurley and Goff could be executing the play as called, but when the D knows what you're about to do it doesn't really matter. It's not that they were cheating, it's just that we didn't do a good enough job in the technique department to mask "tells" and disguise plays. That's where I think McVay & co. will help teach our guys the technique they need to be better players & not give away plays, & stop relying on effort alone.
They also made the effort to bring in more technically sound players.

Not only that, but the scheme itself was entirely too predictable. Based on down, distance and formation, the D could rightly guess more than 70% of the time.

That's beyond bad. At that point, why not just line up in I formation and go Student Body Right or Student Body Left?

 

[DCH]

Not only that, but the scheme itself was entirely too predictable. Based on down, distance and formation, the D could rightly guess more than 70% of the time.

That's beyond bad. At that point, why not just line up in I formation and go Student Body Right or Student Body Left?

A lot of times a predictable scheme is a function of an inability to execute. Think of the teams that will regularly run on passing downs and pass on running downs - they either succeed or their coaching staff gets pilloried.

Predictability makes it easier for the defense to key in on a general group of plays, but it also limits the damage from busted plays, which is probably pretty important when your offensive group is inexperienced.

 

[LACHAMP46]

I can't help but like this guy....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...vamped-offense-springs-todd-gurley-jared-goff
Rams hope exploiting mismatches springs Todd Gurley in 2017
By Gregg Rosenthal
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. -- Todd Gurley was easy to find last season: usually buried under the opposition a few yards ahead of the line of scrimmage. New Rams head coach Sean McVay is on a mission to make Gurley more difficult to locate.

The third-year running back moved around the offensive formation throughout the first day of Rams minicamp Tuesday. Occasionally, he lined up wide outside two receivers. On another snap, he motioned from out wide into the backfield before running a route in the other direction. He saw a lot of targets from quarterback Jared Goff in the passing game, often appearing to be the primary read.

A talented running back making noise as a receiver isn't revolutionary in the year 2017, but the Rams did not run a modern offense last season, when Gurley picked up a paltry 3.2 yards per carry. McVay spoke Tuesday about defensive coordinator Wade Phillips' standout ability to create mismatches, a trait that McVay shares. He wants to put his Rams players in better matchups than they were in a year ago. Gurley is doing his best to put last season behind him, even if the personal struggles of the former Offensive Rookie of the Year remain a sore spot.

"4-12 is definitely not the season anyone wants. I don't really care about what I do individually," Gurley said.

While that's not necessarily what Gurley's prospective fantasy football owners want to hear, he should be in a better position to succeed with a more flexible offense. The hope is that the Rams' young cornerstones have grown up. Goff said that he and Gurley now have a better understanding about their roles and responsibilities on the team. Goff stressed the importance of being able to get past a bad play in practice or in games.

"The faster you can get over something like that, the better you are," Goff said.

He may as well have been talking about the entire Rams 2016 season.......

Metrics that matter...you can't measure heart and determination....

Embarrassment is pretty big too...LOL check out the link video...interview with Rich Eisen...