For everyone looking to draft a RB high...

[Flatlyner]

Honestly I want a TE but every time I was going to take one the one I was targeting kept getting drafted

A lot more people using that simulator and the adjustments only get posted every 24h so if there is a trend by a lot of people taking a particular player you don’t see that for a day or so. .

Didn’t see the Senior bowl reps on Freeland tbh, i love watching those clips though!





It’s funny, because before the FA this year there was no chance we were letting go or trading Ramsey and look where we are today. We’d be lucky to get a 7th rounder for him if they didn’t decide to cut him.

It was a poor pick to begin with and the teams FO seems very obliged to moved on from past mistakes fairly quickly now.


18 rec 298yds and 1 td? Oft injured, tiny, and can’t even fill in for return duties when healthy? Nah… something’s wrong.

Yeah, well the Rams did him no favors in usage. Not to mention, when they did actually get him in the game, we were on our 4th string QB (mind you, he was better then 2nd or 3rd stringers) and we were down an entire OL and most of our WR core. I don't love Tutu, but he worth much more to the Rams this year then a freakin 7th rounder. And he isn't making a lot of money, so no reason for a salary dump. So in summary, no reason on earth to trade him for a late pick. The Ramsey trade was 100% about the cap, as was Robinson trade.

 

[AZRams]

Did a mock trade on Monday and traded down from 36 twice (to 39 then to 44) and it STILL had Gibbs available there. Couldn't resist.

Hardly a likely scenario that he'd be at 36 much less 8-10 picks lower but as a hypothetical it's interesting...could McVay resist the urge to go in on a player like that at that point?

 

[Mackeyser]

Did a mock trade on Monday and traded down from 36 twice (to 39 then to 44) and it STILL had Gibbs available there. Couldn't resist.

Hardly a likely scenario that he'd be at 36 much less 8-10 picks lower but as a hypothetical it's interesting...could McVay resist the urge to go in on a player like that at that point?

No… I can’t imagine he could. My comp for Gibbs is Alvin Kamara and I can’t imagine what McVay could do with a Kamara type back… and I’ve been a supporter of Akers…

 

[PARAM]

...could McVay resist the urge to go in on a player like that at that point?

Absolutely not. He won't be able to resist. Nor should he. A talent like that, in the run game, in the passing game, on every down a threat the defense has to keep one eye on, is rare. And another tool for McVay to use doing his thing. I would love to add Gibbs and a talented WR or pass catching TE in the next few days. It would improve the offense immensely. Don't resist Sean!!! Don't dare resist!!!

 

[Merlin]

Gibbs would be a monster in this offense. There's some other backs who might also be really good in this offense in this draft but Gibbs would be special with McVay.

 

[AZRams]

Absolutely not. He won't be able to resist. Nor should he. A talent like that, in the run game, in the passing game, on every down a threat the defense has to keep one eye on, is rare. And another tool for McVay to use doing his thing. I would love to add Gibbs and a talented WR or pass catching TE in the next few days. It would improve the offense immensely. Don't resist Sean!!! Don't dare resist!!!

View: https://twitter.com/FarmersPaul/status/1651283028340277249?s=20



A top TE falling to 36 and trading out of 69 leads to all kinds of fun...

Enjoy this tool but it's trades are...suspect. I don't know how many times I've seen it offer me all of the Raiders '23 capital for #36.

 

[Corbin]

Yeah, well the Rams did him no favors in usage. Not to mention, when they did actually get him in the game, we were on our 4th string QB (mind you, he was better then 2nd or 3rd stringers) and we were down an entire OL and most of our WR core. I don't love Tutu, but he worth much more to the Rams this year than a freakin 7th rounder. And he isn't making a lot of money, so no reason for a salary dump. So in summary, no reason on earth to trade him for a late pick. The Ramsey trade was 100% about the cap, as was Robinson trade.

Although I didn’t like the pick with him to begin with I will fully admit you’re 100% right.

Now the real question is is it him or was it the Rams staff and if it was the Rams staff wtf? There was plenty of opportunity last year to get him more reps.

I still lean toward the side it’s him, someone with his skills should be able to return punts and kickoffs no problem.

 

[WestCoastRam]

No… I can’t imagine he could. My comp for Gibbs is Alvin Kamara and I can’t imagine what McVay could do with a Kamara type back… and I’ve been a supporter of Akers…

A lot of people say that is the comp but Kamara is way shiftier than Gibbs is (but the speed and pass catching ability line up). I'm not saying this is the case with you but it sure seems like a lot of amateur draft gurus on the internet confuse speed and shiftiness*.

*In their defense, sure seems like McVay made the same mistake with Atwell!!

 

[Merlin]

Gibbs is in Kamara's class as a prospect I think. I am not an amateur draft guru, rather just a fan, but it is clear he has similar traits plus production.

Teams been looking for the next Kamara for years now. This guy has a chance to live up to all that. And that is why he is probably off the board well before we pick at 36.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Akers is certainly capable of being the bellcow and putting up a strong season for us. But I agree caution is wise, given the letdown we've suffered at RB post-Gurley. Akers has after all been part of that.

So the Rams are going to ensure they're not in that same boat again. If they've learned anything from the past several seasons.

As much as I like Akers, we'd be crazy to rely on him solely staying healthy as he tends to get dinged up. I'm not big on Kyren Williams as our backup but maybe that's just me.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

A lot of people say that is the comp but Kamara is way shiftier than Gibbs is (but the speed and pass catching ability line up). I'm not saying this is the case with you but it sure seems like a lot of amateur draft gurus on the internet confuse speed and shiftiness*.

*In their defense, sure seems like McVay made the same mistake with Atwell!!

I'd highly disagree. He's shiftier than Kamara was outta college and faster. There's a reason he's a borderline 1st round pick.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

It really got me to thinking a couple years back when I saw when the Bengals needed Olinemen desperately and had no real need at WR. The so-called best OLineman in the draft (Penei Sewell) was right there on the board, when they nabbed difference maker / matchup problem WR Jamar Chase.

In the playoffs, I just knew the Cowboys were toast against the 49ers when Tony Pollard got hurt leaving CeeDee Lamb as the only playmaker on offense. (BTW, Dallas didn't even need another WR when he fell into their laps on draft day. From what I heard, they were ready to take EDGE K'Lavon Chaisson in an attempt to fill a need).


Anyway, the #1 goal for a team's first pick should be to acquire a difference maker / matchup problem, IMO. That's the game. Matchup problems. Actually, Mike Martz showed us this years ago.

If it's a Pass Rusher, does he draw double teams? Do opposing defensive coordinators have to gameplan for him?
If it's an OLineman, can he win on an island? And is he capable of physically dominating defenders consistently?
If he's a CB, is he a potential shutdown type that QBs tend to avoid? Does he force turnovers?
If he's a WR, does he have to potential to force opponents to shade a safety in his direction and/or use their best CB on him?
If he's a RB, is he good enough to be a threat to score from any point on the field running and receiving. If he motions out of the backfield can be covered by LBs?

This isn't all encompassing, but if the answer to any of these questions is NO, then that player isn't a difference maker / matchup problem. He may still be a good player, but he's a hole filler, IMO. And hole fillers can be had later in the draft and in free agency.

If the Rams draft anyone at ANY of the above listed positions that isn't just a hole filler, then I'll be thrilled.

But, IMO, Gibbs is a difference maker / matchup problem. And Cooper Kupp is the only other one on offense.

It's players. Not positions.

McVay can't scheme everything. Someone has to be able to make a play.

This is exactly why I can see Gibbs being the pick if he's still there because how he can be used schematically. He can be a matchup problem in the pass game as well. It was the main reason the Rams were a pain in the ass to defend when Faulk was a dual threat for us. I'm not saying he's Marshall Faulk now, but I'm just pointing out how that opens up the offense a lot more. I don't know what the Rams will do and am not going to advocate anyone at the moment since it'll be easier to do so after round 1 commences since we know who'll we'll actually have a shot at. Doubt the Rams will listen to me though lol

 

[Flatlyner]

No… I can’t imagine he could. My comp for Gibbs is Alvin Kamara and I can’t imagine what McVay could do with a Kamara type back… and I’ve been a supporter of Akers…

A lot of people say that is the comp but Kamara is way shiftier than Gibbs is (but the speed and pass catching ability line up). I'm not saying this is the case with you but it sure seems like a lot of amateur draft gurus on the internet confuse speed and shiftiness*.

*In their defense, sure seems like McVay made the same mistake with Atwell!!

My comp for Gibbs is Jamal Charles. Not only are they more similar size wise, but they have a similar game IMO. I get the Kamara comps too, but Kamara was nearly 220 when he came out I believe.

 

[Angry Ram]

Since 2012, ~20 RBs are drafted each year. This notion of finding RBs easily is something a lot of ppl have latched on to. The best get drafted, so whoever is considered the best take him at 36 if they feel like it. Look at the RBs drafted for the past 10 years (* = 1st rounder; bold = hit). Not so easy when you lay it out. 2017 was by far the best year for RBs and almost all of them were in the first 2 rounds. Every other year? Lucky to get a couple. Strangely in Cam's year almost all the top RB picks got hurt though they all showed they can ball.

RE - Cam, there's a weirdness that idk if he's in the long term plans w/ his injury and fumbling. So if they want one...take one high!

2012
Trent Richardson*
Doug Martin*
David Wilson*
Isaiah Pead
LaMichael James
Ronnie Hillman
Bernard Pierce
Lamar Miller
Robert Turnbin
Chris Rainey
Vick Ballard
Alfred Morris
Cyrus Gray
Dan Herron
Terrance Ganaway
Michael Smith
Bryce Brown
Edwin Baker
Daryl Richardson

2013
None in 1st round
Le'Veon Bell
Montee Ball
Eddie Lacy
Christine Michael
Knile Davis
Jonathan Franklin
Marcus Lattimore
Denard Robinson
Stepfan Taylor
Joesph Randle
Chris Thompson
Zac Stacy
Mike Gillislee
Latavius Murray
Kenjon Barner
Andre Ellingston
Mike James
Rex Burkhead
Spencer Ware
Theo Riddick
Jawan Jamison
Kerwynn Williams
Michael Cox

2014
None in 1st round
Bishop Sankey
Jeremy Hill
Carlos Hyde
Charles Sims
Tre Mason
Terrance West
Jerick McKinnon
Dri Archer
Devonta Freeman
Andre Williams
Ka-Deem Carey
De'Anthony Thomas
James White
Lorenzo Taliaferro
Alfred Blue
Lache Seastrunk
Marion Grice
Tyler Gaffeny
Storm Johnson
Kiero Small

2015
Todd Gurley*
Melvin Gordon*
TJ Yeldon
Ameer Abdullah
Tevin Coleman
Duke Johnson
David Johnson
Matt Jones
Jeremy Langford
Javorius Allen
Mike Davis
David Cobb
Jay Ajayi
Carlos Williams
Cameron Artis-Payne
Josh Robinson
Marcus Murphy
Kenny Hilliard

2016
Ezekiel Elliot*
Derrick Henry*
Kenyan Drake
CJ Prosise
Tyler Ervin
Kenneth Dixon
Devontae Booker
DeAndre Washingston
Paul Perkins
Jordan Howard
Wendell Smallwood
Jonathan Williams
Alex Collins
Kelvin Taylor
Darius Jackson
Dwayne Washington
Daniel Lasco
Keith Marshal
Zac Brooks

2017
Leonard Fournete* (hit-ish)
Christian McCaffery*
Dalvin Cook
Joe Mixon
Alvin Kamara
Kareem Hunt
D'Onta Foreman
James Conner (hit-ish)
Samaje Perine
Tarik Cohen
Joe Williams
Donnel Pumphrey
Jamaal Williams (hit-ish)
Wayne Gallman
Marlon Mack
Brian Hill
Jeremy Nicholes
TJ Logan
Aaron Jones
Elijah McGuire
De'Angelo Henderson
Devante Mays
Khalfani Muhammad
Elijah Hood
Chris Carson
Matthew Dayes

2018
Saquon Barkley*
Rashaad Penny*
Sony Michel*
Nick Chubb
Ronal Jones II
Kerryon Johnson
Derrius Guice
Royce Freeman
Nyheim Hines
Mark Walton
Ito Smith
Kalen Ballage
Chase Edmonds
Jaylen Samuels
Jordan Wilkins
John Kelly
Boston Scott
Trenton Cannon
David Williams
Bo Scarbrough
Justin Jackson

2019
Josh Jacobs*
Miles Sanders (hit-ish)
Darrell Henderson (hit-ish)
David Montgomery (hit-ish)
Devin Singletary (hit-ish)
Damien Harris (hit-ish)
Alexander Mattison
Bryce Love
Justice Hill
Benny Snell
Tony Pollard (hit-ish)
Ryquell Armstead
Qadree Ollison
Jordan Scarlett
Trayveon Williams
Ty Johnson
Dexter Williams
Travis Homer
Rodney Anderson
Darwin Thompson
Mike Weber
Kerrith Whyte
Myles Gaskin

2020
No first rounder
DeAndre Swift (hit-ish)
Jonathan Taylor (hit-ish)
Cam Akers (hit-ish)
JK Dobbins (hit-ish)
AJ Dillion (hit-ish)
Antonio Gibson
Ke'Shawn Vaughn
Lynn Bowden
Zack Moss
Darrynton Evans
Josh Kelley
La'Micael Perine
Anthony McFarland
DeeJay Dallas
Jason Huntley
Eno Benjamin
Raymond Calais
Malcom Perry

2021
Najee Harris* (hit-ish)
Travis Etienne* (hit-ish)
Javonte Williams (hit-ish)
Trey Sermon
Michael Carter
Kene Nwangwu
Rhomandre Stevenson
Chuba Hubbard
Kenneth Gainwell
Elijah Mitchell
Gary Brightwell
Lary Rountree
Chris Evans
Demetric Felton
Khalil Herbert
Jake Funk
Gerrid Doaks
Kylin Hill
Jemar Jeferrson

2022
No first rounder
Breece Hall* (hit-ish)
Kenneth Walker III
James Cook
Rachaad White
Tyrion Davis Price
Brian Robinson
Dameon Pierce
Zamir White
Isaiah Spiller
Pierre Strong
Hassan Haskins
Tyler Allgeier
Snoop Conner
Jerome Ford
Kyren Williams
Ty Chandler
Kevin Harris
Tyler Badle
Keaontay Ingram
Trestan Ebner
Brittain Brown
Isiah Pacheco (hit-ish)

 

[Merlin]

That 2017 draft damn.

 

[rdlkgliders]

My comp for Gibbs is Jamal Charles. Not only are they more similar size wise, but they have a similar game IMO. I get the Kamara comps too, but Kamara was nearly 220 when he came out I believe.

Agree! There are so many metrics that show how difficult it is for RB's Gibbs & Achanes size to succeed as an RB1. Kamara is a much tougher back up the gut, McClellan started to get Gibbs carries in short yardage and goal-line at Bama and ended up with the same amount of TD's for this very reason. Go back and watch Kamara he was a guy who broke tackles all over the field not just on the outside at speed. McVay may have a plan for a Gibbs type and I think he may be there, if so I am all in but I do have some concerns.