Finishing Touches

[0311rams]

I don't see the ship sailing on CB at all. Dolphins playing hard ball with Ramsey's salary so the Rams can be patient there or they can even possibly pivot their attention to another CB such as Alexander. No matter what, I think they'll try their best to get something done with Ramsey although it isn't a guarantee. Swing OT is most definitely a concern but McVay said he liked McClendon's play for some reason so they may move slower there than we'd like. Definitely moves to be made and it'll be interesting to see what they actually end up being.

I heard the 9ers are in the mix for Ramsey, they are tapped out however.

 

[DzRams]

I believe that it is there on sportrac, and its great for Miami had they wanted him around, its terrible for Miami if they want rid of him. He'll make 25 mill in cash this season, while only hitting the cap for 16 mill.
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Thanks. I do see now that those prorated option bonuses match the 2025 - 2027 bonus amounts.

What I'm gathering from this is that things would look good on the books regarding the salary cap for a new team trading for Ramsey but no one would want to pay him the actual cash due.

 

[dieterbrock]

Thanks. I do see now that those prorated option bonuses match the 2025 - 2027 bonus amounts.

What I'm gathering from this is that things would look good on the books regarding the salary cap for a new team trading for Ramsey but no one would want to pay him the actual cash due.

That 19 mill due is a killer. Miami would have to pay at least 6-7 mill of it and he would still be getting 13-16 mill from a new team.

 

[Ramhusker]

That 19 mill due is a killer. Miami would have to pay at least 6-7 mill of it and he would still be getting 13-16 mill from a new team.

Yeah, it’s because of this that a Ramsey deal with anyone isn’t happening too soon. It’s going to take some creative accounting no matter what.

 

[DzRams]

Yeah, it’s because of this that a Ramsey deal with anyone isn’t happening too soon. It’s going to take some creative accounting no matter what.

It seems Miami is between a rock and a hard place. They can't keep him since has an irreparable relationship with the HC. But it looks like a cut or trade would be difficult too.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I heard the 9ers are in the mix for Ramsey, they are tapped out however.

Those assholes probably doing that on purpose to raise the price.

 

[dieterbrock]

It seems Miami is between a rock and a hard place. They can't keep him since has an irreparable relationship with the HC. But it looks like a cut or trade would be difficult too.

I think the pink elephant in the room (in addition to that god awful contract) is what Ramsey’s perceived market value truly is.
Surely teams know that Miami is between a rock and a hard place and will use that for negotiating, but what is his realistic value?
If he’s a 10 mill per year player, Miami has to kick in an additional 12 mill to get rid of him. Just can’t see it happening
If he’s a 15-17 mill per year player, Miami has a shot to move him by paying a chunk and getting close to even in the cap in ‘25 and then taking a huge hit in ‘26

 

[DzRams]

I think the pink elephant in the room (in addition to that god awful contract) is what Ramsey’s perceived market value truly is.
Surely teams know that Miami is between a rock and a hard place and will use that for negotiating, but what is his realistic value?
If he’s a 10 mill per year player, Miami has to kick in an additional 12 mill to get rid of him. Just can’t see it happening
If he’s a 15-17 mill per year player, Miami has a shot to move him by paying a chunk and getting close to even in the cap in ‘25 and then taking a huge hit in ‘26

That is the pink elephant in the room.

Whatever one may think about PFF, it can be used as a good reference point. Ramsey had a similar rating as Byron Murphy and Carlton Davis and a superior rating to Charvarius Ward. Those guys signed contracts for an annual average of $22 mil., $20 mil, and $20 mil. respectively. Of course, the top two guys are 2-3 years younger so Ramsey isn't worth those numbers. Ward is 1.5 years younger but had a down year.

On the other end of the spectrum, Darius Slay also rated in the same territory as Ramsey, Murphy, and Carlton but got a 1 year, $10 mil. contract. Likely because he's 4 years older than Ramsey at 34.

Averaging those data points, I'd say Ramsey is worth $15-$18 mil. on the open market.

 

[fearsomefour]

Yep and he hasn't been that guy for a while now. He's still a decent corner and his run support is elite. But top corners don't get paid for matching up with second and third threats. They get paid for travelling with top threats.

Miami fucked up paying that dude. So it is important the Rams don't throw them a lifeline. Make those fucks pay a significant portion of the salary or we walk and sign his ass after you cut him. The need for the Rams with him is not that strong, we're in a good position to barter.

Looking at his numbers he is a top 10-12 corner I think still. But not THAT guy anymore.
But, the Rams secondary rated out pretty badly last year.
Some of the numbers are influenced by the shaky start of the year for the post Donald defense.
They certainly played better as the year went on.
Witherspoon, another CB who is no spring chicken, played really well.
With Ramsey the Rams certainly get a leader and another bump (along with Poona, Stewart....who looks good against the run, Hamilton, Paul and Landman) to the run defense. He also, while not near what he was at his peak, is still a good, smart CB.
A group of Ramsey, Witherspoon, Williams, Durant, Forbes, Kendrick could be very good in terms of overall depth without a true shutdown CB. The group could be solid and deep on the low end. It could be special if Durant and Forbes can take the next step, if Kendrick can stay healthy and play under control and if the other three can fight off Father Time.
As long as his salary/cap impact are not damaging Im all for it.
I suspect how much of the salary Miami is willing to eat is a sticking point.

 

[fearsomefour]

What would Wills cost as a back up LT?

 

[Merlin]

Looking at his numbers he is a top 10-12 corner I think still. But not THAT guy anymore.
But, the Rams secondary rated out pretty badly last year.
Some of the numbers are influenced by the shaky start of the year for the post Donald defense.
They certainly played better as the year went on.
Witherspoon, another CB who is no spring chicken, played really well.
With Ramsey the Rams certainly get a leader and another bump (along with Poona, Stewart....who looks good against the run, Hamilton, Paul and Landman) to the run defense. He also, while not near what he was at his peak, is still a good, smart CB.
A group of Ramsey, Witherspoon, Williams, Durant, Forbes, Kendrick could be very good in terms of overall depth without a true shutdown CB. The group could be solid and deep on the low end. It could be special if Durant and Forbes can take the next step, if Kendrick can stay healthy and play under control and if the other three can fight off Father Time.
As long as his salary/cap impact are not damaging Im all for it.
I suspect how much of the salary Miami is willing to eat is a sticking point.

I don't think his leadership is all that. He's not accountable when he fucks up, the dude is always quick to blame someone else and if I had to guess that's probably related to his bitchfest with the coach.

His run support is real though. Look as I said I think he makes us better. But I think we gotta be honest about who he is and the Rams aren't going to come out and say those things.

I do think they would add him if his trade cost is reasonable and the Dolphins agree to pay some of his salary. But that isn't because the Rams love him or really feel like the BS they say in the media. Rather it would be because they think he makes them better and for a year or so he'll probably be on good behavior before he gets all sour and shit. Which jives with Stafford's likely remaining window.

 

[fearsomefour]

I don't think his leadership is all that. He's not accountable when he fucks up, the dude is always quick to blame someone else and if I had to guess that's probably related to his bitchfest with the coach.

His run support is real though. Look as I said I think he makes us better. But I think we gotta be honest about who he is and the Rams aren't going to come out and say those things.

I do think they would add him if his trade cost is reasonable and the Dolphins agree to pay some of his salary. But that isn't because the Rams love him or really feel like the BS they say in the media. Rather it would be because they think he makes them better and for a year or so he'll probably be on good behavior before he gets all sour and shit. Which jives with Stafford's likely remaining window.

All makes total sense.

 

[RamBradford85]

I’m worried about wr4 I’m good with top 3… I belive in tutu… and I believe in the cb and feel we don’t need Ramsey… mitre worried about backup tackle

 

[Flatlyner]

What would Wills cost as a back up LT?

Calculated market value on Spottrac is 2.2m average salary. I'd JUMP on that for a back up swing tackle who'd actually still young (25)

 

[fearsomefour]

Calculated market value on Spottrac is 2.2m average salary. I'd JUMP on that for a back up swing tackle who'd actually still young (25)

I agree with you.
His age is attractive, but, to be honest I have no idea about his level of play.
For $2.2 M he must have some skills that could suit a backup.

 

[Noregar]

Calculated market value on Spottrac is 2.2m average salary. I'd JUMP on that for a back up swing tackle who'd actually still young (25)

Wills has had two separate knee injuries in the last two years. Not sure he is healthy enough to sign and if he was signed he might be another injury headache like Noteboom. PASS!

Kevin Stefanski said Jedrick Wills Jr.'s injury 'not responding just yet,' but 'hopeful'

Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said tackle Jedrick Wills Jr.'s knee injury hasn't quite responded to treatment yet, but hopeful it can by next Monday.

www.beaconjournal.com

 

[Memento]

I’m worried about wr4 I’m good with top 3… I belive in tutu… and I believe in the cb and feel we don’t need Ramsey… mitre worried about backup tackle

Not concerned about the wide receiver position in the slightest. Whittington is only going to get better from here, and I think he takes the slot spot with authority. Mumpfield could easily prove me wrong on my initial thoughts. Tru Edwards, I think, is being underrated around here. Mario Williams and Brennan Presley provide different looks. Xavier Smith and Britain Covey will compete for the punt return spot, but I feel that Williams or Presley could compete there as well.

Even if Atwell busts, I don't have any concerns about the position.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Wills has had two separate knee injuries in the last two years. Not sure he is healthy enough to sign and if he was signed he might be another injury headache like Noteboom. PASS!

I think the main reason Jedrick Wills is still available is his questionable health status.

And, I think you're right that signing him would be a gamble. However, it may be a wise and affordable gamble. Perhaps a one-year-deal, with some incentives tied to game-active status would work.

Best case scenario would be Wills is healthy in 2025, and plays well when he gets some snaps. He could then cash-in on 2026 free agency. For the Rams, they would have more than capable depth at OT in 2025.

Noteboom counted $11.6M against the Rams' 2024 cap; and will count another $10M this season in Dead-$. We're not talking about anything approaching that type of cap-hit. If Wills can get significant-$ elsewhere, God-Bless him. But that has not happened yet. If there's a team willing to pay Wills starter-$ and/or give him multiple years, there's no reason for him to even consider the Rams.

 

[Cjcinec]

What would Wills cost as a back up LT?

Wills struggled at LT. He’s more effective as a RT.

 

[fearsomefour]

Wills struggled at LT. He’s more effective as a RT.

Oh, don't want him then.
Although, at this stage it might be tough to find someone who didn't struggle at LT.