We all love Westy and clearly he has earned some snaps come regular season.
But let's keep in mind two things:
1. Sample size is a few preseason games
2. The competition are mostly backups
Westy may be the next big thing or
He may be the next Damione Lewis.
I'm just happy we found another udfa that could contribute this year.
It speaks volumes about his upside, if he is good enough to dress on Sundays with the talent on this line.
I hope he is.
I just posted in another forum about this but I think Westbrooks takes Carrington's spot as the DE/DT swingman type role Fisher likes to have. And they keep Sam also as a pure edge rusher. Another possibility is Hayes is on the pup list for the first 6 weeks as we have yet to see him or hear anything about how he is doing from his multiple offseason surgeries. Then after 6 weeks they'd have to make the Carrington, Westbrook, Sam decision for which I still say its Carrington that goes.
On one side you have the grumpy curmudgeons.... On the other side of the coin are the sabremetricians
Hayes cannot be put on the PUP list. While he hasn't been out there much. He has practiced. IMO, his health could be the deciding factor in them keeping a 10th guy on the DL. I could see it being quite possible that if Hayes isn't 100% they keep both Sam & Westbrooks along with Carrington.I just posted in another forum about this but I think Westbrooks takes Carrington's spot as the DE/DT swingman type role Fisher likes to have. And they keep Sam also as a pure edge rusher. Another possibility is Hayes is on the pup list for the first 6 weeks as we have yet to see him or hear anything about how he is doing from his multiple offseason surgeries. Then after 6 weeks they'd have to make the Carrington, Westbrook, Sam decision for which I still say its Carrington that goes.
I'm making up one. Brockers had one more sack than the officials gave him last year.It does show that he is paying well though, right?
Also, I do agree it's suspect not to credit Sam with his two sacks even when they are official. You can't make up your own numbers when they have been made official by the league.
Sensible. From where I sit, both Sam and Westbrooks seem like they want it more than Carrington. I like the extra DT depth Carrington offers, but he's just a body in my book. If that's important to Snisher, I'd rather they find some big sloppy body guy on the Saturday waivers who can eat up space on short yardage plays. Carrington's role (designated pass rush DT) was lost the moment Donald was drafted.
"The real point here is that Westbrooks is playing lights out. You don't have to like PFF stats to acknowledge this"
Fish said a few weeks ago there will be 7 "players" who get most of the snaps, with Quinn beng the one who gets the most. Quinn, Long, Brockers, Langford, Hayes, Sims, Donald have to be the 7. The 8th or 9th, I say Westbrooks is ahead of both Carrington and Sam. Sam has played well as an arc rusher or gets up field takes angle an gets to QB. But Westbrook playing with the 1s last week said a lot, filling in for Hayes. Sam didn't play till later, though he was on the goalline defense.
Westbrooks will make the team. Sam MIGHT make team, I will put it that way in my guess.
This is the same argument that baseball has been having for the past 20+ years, but really since the advent of the internet. On one side you have the grumpy curmudgeons who adamantly believe that, for example, the only important stats for a pitcher are win loss record, earned run average, and "quality" starts. They completely dismiss things like fielding independent ERA, WHIP, strikeout ratios, and, to a lesser extent WAR. On the other side of the coin are the sabremetricians: the Brian Kennys, Keith Laws, and Joe Sheahans of the world who believe that they, without watching a single game, can lord over a spreadsheet and a computer and a calculator and not only break down the best players in the league, but could build better ball clubs than every single GM in the league.
Both points are valid, but each camp refuses to acknowledge the validity of the other, which causes rifts in the game. Lately, it has impacted Hall of fame voting, with sabremetric aficionados actively arguing against a guy like Frank Thomas in lieu of putting Fred McGriff into this year's hall of fame class. In football, statistics don't mean nearly as much as it is a true team game: baseball is very much an individual game disguised as a team sport. Advanced statistics will be helpful in the future of football as mathematicians and statisticians alike begin to find unique patterns and correlations between the successful as well as the unsuccessful players and what, if any, measurables exist that can be extrapolated to give the individual stats and plays and players and situations more meaning and value. I just hope that when that day comes, football historians and commentators and analysts alike view the introduction of the two as more of a marriage, and not a war of two combatants who are arguing to the same end, but whose arrogance blinds them to the value of the other.
And Sam played against the "1s" vs. New Orleans,, so what's your point? Sam was the one who was ALL of Hayes' reps prior to the GB game."The real point here is that Westbrooks is playing lights out. You don't have to like PFF stats to acknowledge this"
Fish said a few weeks ago there will be 7 "players" who get most of the snaps, with Quinn beng the one who gets the most. Quinn, Long, Brockers, Langford, Hayes, Sims, Donald have to be the 7. The 8th or 9th, I say Westbrooks is ahead of both Carrington and Sam. Sam has played well as an arc rusher or gets up field takes angle an gets to QB. But Westbrook playing with the 1s last week said a lot, filling in for Hayes. Sam didn't play till later, though he was on the goalline defense.
Westbrooks will make the team. Sam MIGHT make team, I will put it that way in my guess.
I appreciate your comments, and we have had this conversation before. I applaud you for your use of PFF. I just have issues with how they do things.As long as I'm the sabremetics guy and not the curmudgeon, I'll take it!
Even with that, I still have mad respect for CoachO, his experience and all he does! As always. And will never change even when we disagree which it seems we do all the time on this debate of stats. I simply can't do what he does as well as he does it.
And Sam played against the "1s" vs. New Orleans,, so what's your point? Sam was the one who was ALL of Hayes' reps prior to the GB game.
It's gonna come down to whether or not they value BOTH of them over Carrington, and more importantly, if Hayes is healthy enough to start the season.