Actually I like him.I like the fact that he threw his helmet down when he made those mistake showing how much he cares.He will make a good quarterback someday.I just feel that Hill will give us a better chance to win against certain teams.If the defense keep playing the way they are we could still make the playoffs.
The things you are talking about are quite common for young QBs. The new QBs do it every year. RGIII does it, Cousins does it, Kap does it, G. Smith, etc, etc. Every team we've played except KC (even SEA with St Wilson), their fans complain of these things. PT is the only cure. Handling the blitz is a learned skill, not an innate talent.
And again, Bradford got 3 years, Quick got 3, some people are willing to give Pead 4, Robinson is going to get 3, but a PS player in his 8th game mostly against good defenses gets the "I'm tired of excuses" treatment? When 1st rounders on other teams are getting benched? Or in mid-bust? I don't get it.
He played a perennial powerhouse team and played just well enough to eke out a win, and not badly enough to make us lose.
Why can't we be happy?
It's almost as though we LOST this game, and the reason that we lost was Austin Davis.
Davis is in his third year.
On the bench and the practice squad maybe. You do know that QB's don't get many reps with the starting unit when they're in that position don't you? You make it sound like he has 3 years worth of NFL QB experience which if so is just a bit disingenuous.
No, it's not disingenuous. He's been here three years. He knows the system(one of the toughest parts of being a rookie QB), he's had the opportunity to work with other QBs and coaches when it comes to film and breaking down defenses, he's gotten technical work, etc.
You don't have to be the starter to reap the rewards of being on the team. He's been here 3 years. He's not a rookie. It's not the same thing.
Davis cost us 14 points and gave the 49ers 7.
I get the giving them 7...but it is a big jump to say he cost us 14. Not even the GSOT gota touchdown every possession. We were on the 25 and 44....not even FG range.
Never said he was a rookie. If he was I'd be even more vehement about giving the guy a break. The fact is he's probably had very few reps with the starting team which affects timing with his receivers, RB's, TE's, and O-line. There's a big difference between practice, watching game film and stepping on the field during an actual game. Any NFL player will attest to that.
Going with that? Really?Davis is in his third year.
That's why people are saying your argument is disingenuous Jrry. You keep adding his time here like it amounts to something. Sure he's in his third year, but lets not act like he was doing too much. He was riding the pines buried in our depth chart teetering on being released multiple times. He was holding clipboard for Kellen Clemens for goodness sakes. Sure being on a team helps and he's probably where he is right now because of it, but lets not act like it's the same breed as starting or even just being the second man up. Dude was a 3rd stringer for all 2 of those years, of course he has issues that need to be ironed out, this is his 8th game played ever. Let me say that again, his 8 game ever, AT ALL. Adding his actual time as an active participation in the league as anything but the superfluous detail it is is disingenuous, because it implies that somehow he should have gotten more than what he did especially when a good chunk of that time was spent on the street.He's had many weeks to get timing down. The lack of timing isn't due to him not playing. It's due to him flushing from the pocket.
Again, the guy has had 8 games after being here for 2 years prior to this. It's not his first start. His performance is getting gradually worse. Which is what worries me. With players like Davis that come in and play well off the bat, they sometimes get exposed. They have to adapt. He's not adapting. Same thing happened to Case Keenum last year.
That's why people are saying your argument is disingenuous Jrry. You keep adding his time here like it amounts to something. Sure he's in his third year, but lets not act like he was doing too much. He was riding the pines buried in our depth chart teetering on being released multiple times. He was holding clipboard for Kellen Clemens for goodness sakes.
Sure being on a team helps and he's probably where he is right now because of it, but lets not act like it's the same breed as starting or even just being the second man up. Dude was a 3rd stringer for all 2 of those years, of course he has issues that need to be ironed out, this is his 8th game played ever. Let me say that again, his 8 game ever, AT ALL. Adding his actual time as an active participation in the league as anything but the superfluous detail it is is disingenuous, because it implies that somehow he should have gotten more than what he did especially when a good chunk of that time was spent on the street.
Going with that? Really?
OK - and so is Foles who is also coming off a Probowl year and yet AD is playing better even considering yesterday's poor performance.
I don't think AD looks like the answer right now but I really don't know how Hill is looking in comparison right now with this team.
One thing I do know however is that considering Davis as a third year player isn't exactly going to help your argument.
I'm sort of leaning this way too at this point, but it's a tough call.Think Hill has to get the next start.
Some nice points .
Also. AM I the only one thinks the coaching staff has reeled him in from his gunslinger persona? We have played some of the best defenses in the league the past 4 weeks as well. I feel the coaching staff have tried to get him to be more of a game manager. The "take what the defense gives you" train of thought seems a bit out of the box for this kid. He seems to play better on the fly.
He has room to grow though. I think k the kid has what it takes to play. Let him play.
Never said he was a rookie. If he was I'd be even more vehement about giving the guy a break. The fact is he's probably had very few reps with the starting team which affects timing with his receivers, RB's, TE's, and O-line. There's a big difference between practice, watching game film and stepping on the field during an actual game. Any NFL player will attest to that.
I'm sort of leaning this way too at this point, but it's a tough call.
Aaron Rodgers held the clipboard in Green Bay. Philip Rivers held it in San Diego. You don't think that helped them? You think they would have done as well as a rookie as they did in their 3rd/4th year? People are treating Austin Davis like a rookie. He's not a rookie. His time here ABSOLUTELY AMOUNTS TO SOMETHING. He knows the playbook, he knows the terminology, he knows the checks/audibles/hot reads/etc., he has worked with our coaches on his technique, he has worked with our coaches and QBs on diagnosing defenses, watching film, and understands what it is to be a pro, and he has practiced with the players on this roster.
That's a massive advantage over a rookie QB. I'm not ignoring him being a first time starter but I'm also not ignoring the fact that he's not a rookie. This isn't a guy that doesn't know the offense or isn't mentally prepared. I have been patient with Davis. I have been fair with Davis. And now I'm frustrated with Davis. Whether people like it or not, I have taken a very reasonable position with Davis and my frustration has been earned by him. You can call my argument disingenuous because you don't agree but it's not.
Rather than dismissing a view that you don't agree with as disingenuous, it might be worthwhile to consider the merits of it. Whether or not you agree with my stance, there's certainly merits to it.
No, it's not disingenuous. It's a fact. This is his third year with the Rams. I did not claim him to be a third year starter. But there's a VAST difference between a third year pro that's in his first year as a starter and a rookie starter. They should not be treated equally.
I have been patient and kept in mind his lack of starting experience throughout the year. Feel free to go back and look at my previous posts on Davis. I gave him every opportunity and he's not doing what I believe he has to...he's not improving and adapting. That's what you have to do. If you don't, you get exposed. The 49ers exposed Austin Davis.
I don't think that's a very equitable comparison. Both have been on the roster but being a 3rd string/practice squad QB doesn't really gain a player much. More than a rookie coming in I agree, but Davis got squat in terms of reps in the real offense. While he technically isn't a rookie, I think it's safe to consider him as such.Davis IS a third year player. Are we not considering Brian Quick a third year player?
There sure is a lot of hand wringing in here over a game in which we defeated our arch rival in their house with our third string qb, down 3 O lineman, our best wr, starting DE and more. Take a breath guys. I'm savoring this feeling and I just don't get all get the gloom and doom. Habbit, I guess?
Implying that Davis was on the same level as Rodgers and Rivers is also disingenuous. Are you seriously comparing dudes picked in the first round to Davis? They from the get go were the guys who were going to come in after Favre and Brees. They got to be sculpted and crafted and trained from the day they got there to where they are now. Do you think anything happened with a 3rd stringer in Davis besides hoping that it didn't come to this and having a gun with a single bullet if it did? Not to mention you seem to make it sound like he was holding the clipboard for Bradford. He was behind even Clemens. Meaning he was taking even a back seat to him, which means even Clemens was getting more coaching than Davis. Bad comparison Jrry.
Lets not beat around the bush here, Davis was in no one's thoughts until Minnesota. The only type of experience he ever had was preseason action and films while being the 3rd man up, implying that this is some huge advantage that he isn't taking advantaged of is silly. Dude has nowhere near the same prep or advantage that Bradford or even Clemens and Hill before him had until just now. Acting like being the 3rd on the depth chart at best, practice squader at worst is something great that he's squandered doesn't quite ring true to me. Also why do you keep acting like people are saying he's a rookie? We know he's not, but what we're saying is Davis still has limited progression due to the fact that his experience is rudimentary at best. You saying that he's in his third year as if it means something is where people balked, you're acting as if he's in his third year of being trained to be a future starter, not in his third year of questioning if he'd even be in the league and then suddenly thrown out there.
Especially when NFLers themselves say that film, coaching and that ilk is limited in what it can give a player, and that the best that can happen is real game experience. This is from stars, many moons greater than AD. Saying well he had time to look at film and get coached really doesn't scratch the surface. I'm not trying to argue if AD will be the future or if he's the QB we need, just that the standards in which you are judging him don't fit the circumstance in which he came to be.
Saying he's a done deal 8 whole games into his career is a little bold in a lot of people's heads.
I don't think that's a very equitable comparison. Both have been on the roster but being a 3rd string/practice squad QB doesn't really gain a player much. More than a rookie coming in I agree, but Davis got squat in terms of reps in the real offense. While he technically isn't a rookie, I think it's safe to consider him as such.