Dare I Say.. Sign Darnold?

[Neil039]

Lance was with Dallas for a full season, training camp and pre-season and couldn't find his way on the depth chart ahead of Cooper Rush. That tells you all you need to know.

Cooper Rush MVP Season is about to happen~ Jerra Joones

 

[dieterbrock]

Not sure how anyone would expect him to surpass Cooper Rush, a guy who has been on the team, knows the offense for which he's a better fit, and had won games for Dallas (9-5 record).

I mean, really? Cooper Rush was cut by the cowboys like 5 times.
They had a full training camp and pre-season to compete and Dallas went with Rush. To think under the right system Lance could be a starter but isn’t good enough to supplant Cooper Rush as a backup??
Cmon man….
Now they’re both FA so we’ll see who Dallas brings back.

Edit- Lamar would be a stud in any offense he played in. Proved that by going 6-1 under Marty Mohrenwig watch

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Not sure how anyone would expect him to surpass Cooper Rush, a guy who has been on the team, knows the offense for which he's a better fit, and had won games for Dallas (9-5 record).

Why? When his skillset doesn't fit the offense? They found Purdy, signed Darnold, and were trying to win a Super Bowl. And a little read option is not a total commitment to a scheme.

Anyway,
My original statement:
IMO, Trey Lance has still not played in a offense geared for him.

I've not suggested him as a fit for Rams. Everyone is telling me what he can't do, but no one has or can refute the original statement.

Neither Dallas or the 49ers put him in a Greg Roman type system of which I believe he could have success. Strong emphasis on a running game using a read option or simply QB runs. One read passing game then run. That's all Lamar Jackson did initially under Greg Roman (not Todd Monken). And they showed commitment to the system as they made sure their backups also fit it.

Yes. He entered the league with very little experience in the passing game. And to try to immediately make him into a pocket passer or expect him to immediately have success in such is foolish. It may never happen.

He’s third string on the Cowboys. It’s not like any teams are begging for the Cowboys to trade him to them.

Greg Roman isn’t a Miracle worker. Kaepernick was good for two seasons and then that offense was figured out along with his deficiencies.

You usually have decent takes on this stuff but I totally disagree with you when it comes to Lance.
He is more likely be out of the league Than he is to succeed, even in an RPO option.

 

[Memphis Ram]

@dieterbrock
Lance had a full training camp in an offense not geared to his strengths. Dallas didn't change their offense. They attempted to see if he could work in it.

@Elmgrovegnome
Why would teams beg to trade for a player whose skill set doesn't fit what they are running? It makes no sense. I don't know if this kid will be in the league later or not, but I still believe that in the run first type one read or half field type passing system Greg Roman operated for Jackson, he would have success. Am I saying that he'd be a superstar? No. But, he could do enough for his team to win games.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

@dieterbrock
Lance had a full training camp in an offense not geared to his strengths. Dallas didn't change their offense. They attempted to see if he could work in it.

@Elmgrovegnome
Why would teams beg to trade for a player whose skill set doesn't fit what they are running? It makes no sense. I don't know if this kid will be in the league later or not, but I still believe that in the run first type one read or half field type passing system Greg Roman operated for Jackson, he would have success. Am I saying that he'd be a superstar? No. But, he could do enough for his team to win games.

And I don’t think Lance has a snowball’s chance in hell of succeeding in the NFL even if Satan himself was his offensive coordinator.

 

[Memphis Ram]

And I don’t think Lance has a snowball’s chance in hell of succeeding in the NFL even if Satan himself was his offensive coordinator.

You may be right. You may be wrong.

I'm sure there were those who felt the same about Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, Alex Smith and the like, too.

 

[dieterbrock]

Lance had a full training camp in an offense not geared to his strengths. Dallas didn't change their offense. They attempted to see if he could work in it.

And 2 full seasons.
Again, Cooper Rush had the same opportunity.
Clearly they had other designs in the offense seeing that Lance ran 11 times in his 1 start.
At the end of the day, if it takes a particular offense for him to out play a journeyman like Rush, he clearly doesn’t have it

 

[Memphis Ram]

And 2 full seasons.
Again, Cooper Rush had the same opportunity.
Clearly they had other designs in the offense seeing that Lance ran 11 times in his 1 start.
At the end of the day, if it takes a particular offense for him to out play a journeyman like Rush, he clearly doesn’t have it

Putting in a package for a player and changing the entire offense to meet his strengths are two different things altogether.

Jalen Hurts in Philadelphia with adjustments for his strengths made it to the Super Bowl. So did Kaepernick.
Jalen Hurts in an offense not adjusted for his strengths would be getting roasted even moreso than he is today by some.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

You may be right. You may be wrong.

I'm sure there were those who felt the same about Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, Alex Smith and the like, too.

Now Trey Lance = Geno, Darnold and Alex Smith? They kept their starting job for a few years. Lance lost his quickly.

Lumping Alex Smith in with Darnold and Geno is way off.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Now Trey Lance = Geno, Darnold and Alex Smith? They kept their starting job for a few years. Lance lost his quickly.

Lumping Alex Smith in with Darnold and Geno is way off.

No. No. No. The point being made is that it was said that those guys couldn't play and were busts, too.

And the fact that those guys got more opportunity to play was merely because there wasn't an early injury and more importantly, they went to bad teams with no shot of doing anything. Lance went to a much better team in a Super Bowl window that wasn't in the position to wait for him to possibly develop.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

No. No. No. The point being made is that it was said that those guys couldn't play and were busts, too.

And the fact that those guys got more opportunity to play was merely because there wasn't an early injury and more importantly, they went to bad teams with no shot of doing anything. Lance went to a much better team in a Super Bowl window that wasn't in the position to wait for him to possibly develop.

None of them were as inexperienced as Lance was in college. He was chosen based on physical attributes, not on his accomplishments or his proven football IQ. It was a complete miss.

 

[brucebruce]

@dieterbrock
Lance had a full training camp in an offense not geared to his strengths. Dallas didn't change their offense. They attempted to see if he could work in it.

@Elmgrovegnome
Why would teams beg to trade for a player whose skill set doesn't fit what they are running? It makes no sense. I don't know if this kid will be in the league later or not, but I still believe that in the run first type one read or half field type passing system Greg Roman operated for Jackson, he would have success. Am I saying that he'd be a superstar? No. But, he could do enough for his team to win games.

Was passing part of the Cowboys offense?

 

[dieterbrock]

None of them were as inexperienced as Lance was in college. He was chosen based on physical attributes, not on his accomplishments or his proven football IQ. It was a complete miss.

Totally agree.
His 28-0 int/td ratio really gained him significant favor. His running ability was the bonus. And now it appears he can’t pass on the NFL level

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Totally agree.
His 28-0 int/td ratio really gained him significant favor. His running ability was the bonus. And now it appears he can’t pass on the NFL level

It’s not far off from Drew Allar in 2023. He had 398 attempts, 25 tds, 2 INTs. You watched him against Notre Dame. Did he look like he has the mental capacity to play in the NFL?

Hes accurate with his first reads, doesn’t like throwing into tight windows and doesn’t like taking chances. When he throws a pick it’s a bad due to a bad decision. But 25 TDs and 2 INTs in nearly 400 attempts? He has to be good right?