Hmm, so now let me see: starting a thread where the QB of another team who led said team into the playoffs 3 times out of three years in the league is flabbergasted is not freaking irritating on a Rams board but criticising (not tearing down as you proclaim, but hey, to you and some others every negative thing said about Bradford is tearing him down and nothing else) our own QB for achieving nothing in comparision to said QB from another team is ?????
Yeah, that makes sense and is well thought out.
The fact that you can't discern the difference between healthy criticism and tearing Sam down speaks volumes. You're about as disingenuous as they come. Here's what you said to Blue and Gold. You tell me how this is NOT tearing him down. B&G implied that the Bengals would trade Dalton for Bradford, and your response was, "Why should they? Do they want to miss the playoffs? :lol:" Where's the analytic discourse?
Now to my points WHY I am critical about Bradford.
I pointed them out before but maybe you decided to overlook them.
Don't be a fucking smartass to me. I don't read EVERYBODY'S posts on this board. I will, however, address them all now.
His pocket awareness problem surfaced during 2011 after being repeatedly sacked in front of an injury plagued line. He didn't have that issue in his OROY rookie campaign, nor did he have it much in 2012. In 2013 it as almost non-existent. That "problem" plagues many QBs who lose faith in their O-line due to injuries in front of them. Greg Cosell went on to expand upon that very point in excruciating detail a number of times with Frank Cusumano.
That's a criticism? Injury prone players are those like Jason Smith or Saffold. Sam's injuries were fluke and he bounced back from all one of them (ankle) so far. He'll likely rehab from his knee and bounce back like any number of QBs who suffered a similar injury did.
-holds on to the ball too long too often
Oh really? Bradford's "hit rate" this year was 13.7%. Ranks in the bottom third of the league in that regard (percentage wise, not number of snaps). Those who had a much higher percentage of being hit before getting rid of the ball are Luck, Wilson, Eli, Griffin, Flacco, Cutler, Ryan, etc. Bradford had 3 sacks with less than 2.5 seconds to throw. Compare that with Brady who was sacked 10 times.
-checks down immediately way too often
Based on what criteria? Early in the year that was 100% play design. Or maybe you didn't watch the Rams through the first several weeks before they decided to completely revamp their offensive strategy and go to a more run-oriented offense instead of a wide-open spread attack that was predicated on short passes to supplement the lack of a running game with an injured Richardson and ineffective Pead.
Says who? You? Again, play design this year. Last year he and Brady had the same exact percentage of deep balls, and Sam had a higher percentage of deep ball passes than Manning Brees and Rodgers. If all you look at is stats, and not the REASON behind them, then you're going to continue to come across as someone who is negligently cognizant of football in general.
That's just dumb. You have no idea what he sees and what he doesn't. Jrry and I have broken down game film of other QBs in the league who don't see what the fans see too. And there are a myriad of reasons for it too.
-shows little leadership on the field
That's even more dumb. His teammates have no issue with his command of the team/huddle.
Now if you think those are intelligent points or not I could care less.
Ah. I see how it works. You make some assertions that cannot be questioned and everyone should just bow to your better knowledge.
Yeah, no.
I know however that those points come up regularly when fans or experts alike talk about Bradford and the quality of play.
And? What's that got to do with anything? None of the experts use hyperbole like you do. They have a discussion with their peers about what their respective perspectives are, and they have a back and forth about it. There is no consensus about Bradford's talents or lack thereof among the media. Fans can say whatever they want, but the smart ones know when they're stepping into uncharted territory as it relates to QB analysis, and know when to lock it up. You don't. You simply make assertions and snide remarks about the QB of the St Louis Rams, and expect nobody to challenge you on it. And when they do, you revert to some elementary school "Fine! I'm taking my ball and going home!" bullshit stance.
And the number of fans and experts who think Bradford will never be what was expected is growing. So I dont know what you mean when you say that other boards I bounce around are ill informed and I am a misunderstood individual.
And I have my reservations as well. So what? I'm not trying to drill an amateur analysis down everyone's throat in an attempt to make them turn on the QB of the team they root for. I (and others) know how to voice our reservations about his ceiling without being a dick about it. And it takes more than an assertion disguised as truth to convince people of what you're trying to convince them. Do you have any video or photographic evidence that illustrates what you're talking about? Or should we all turn in our brains and just accept what you're saying?
Maybe you should take a look outside this board because then you would see the growing number of voices critical of Bradford.
I've seen it since day one. What? You're a pioneer or something? It's not an anomaly that fans are critical of the QB among the masses of NFL team fan bases. What you're failing to grasp is that it's the DELIVERY of those criticisms that spawns the most heated discourse.
Lastly:
RFIP and I go back a long time and we have our share of heated discussions about Bradford before and though we agree on some points concerning the Rams we can find no common ground on this specific topic.
RFIP IMO is an intelligent and emotional Rams fan and I hold zero grudge against him when we clash about Bradford.
I think he is very capable of defending his arguments and himself without your help so I dont know why you seem to feel the urgency to get involved into discussions the way you do. Might be a personality thing with you.
I'm not going to bat for RFIP. Not sure where you're getting that. He's capable enough of forming and backing his own arguments. And I feel no "urgency" to get involved into [sic] discussions. I'm merely stating my opinion and debunking yours in the process. If that's a "personality thing" with me, then so be it. I've had zero people take exception with the way I articulate my thoughts. If you have a problem with me, then that's your cross to bear.