Colin Cowherd Was Wrong?

[kurtfaulk]

It was just a different mentality altogether and as I look back on the position for us I hear Mike Martz talking about QBs needing to be the most competitive guy on the field.

meanwhile bradford has spags blowing a whistle after 2 seconds and telling him it's ok to punt and not to turn the ball over. over and over again.

coaching is everything.

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[majrleaged]

I rooted hard for Bradford but once again he's part of that Rams QB equation that has taught me the importance of competitiveness at the most important position. Bradford was just another guy who wanted to collect his check. He was more than willing to trot off the field and let the punt team do their thing.

Watch Warner when he came in and every possession he played like it was a late game situation. It was just a different mentality altogether and as I look back on the position for us I hear Mike Martz talking about QBs needing to be the most competitive guy on the field.

This is why each year I watch the QBs coming out in the draft and look for that. Who's the guy who will have trouble sleeping if you beat him at monopoly, the ones who look pissed off when the punt team comes on, or who are fighting their ass off late in games when down big. That and decision making speed are the most important elements in a QB's makeup IMO.

The reason it looks like one had no competitive drive and the other did is because of offensive coordinators. Remember how Bradfords 1st year was all check down to keep him safe and in the game. He was coached to do that. Then Martz was like, who cares about PIs and if my QB gets plastered. Plus of course, the talent around the 2 QBs can't even be compared. I remember after Bradford threw an interception he chased the DB down after running about 50 or 60 yards. No, Bradford was competitive he just had shit for an offense and then shit for luck. He was pretty brittle. I am not saying he was even close to Warner in talent. Just saying two completely different opportunities.

 

[rdlkgliders]

If a team needs a QB and there is a good one on the board then take the QB every time. You cannot win without scoring any points.

 

[Merlin]

coaching is everything.

because of offensive coordinators.

Player has to be accountable too don't you think? I agree Bradford wasn't maximized. But then again stick Payton Manning in his shoes and things almost surely would have looked different.

Point is he just wasn't a dog. Least not to my eye dudes.

 

[Loyal]

Player has to be accountable too don't you think? I agree Bradford wasn't maximized. But then again stick Payton Manning in his shoes and things almost surely would have looked different.

Point is he just wasn't a dog. Least not to my eye dudes.

Woof…woof…

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

that the players didn't perform has to be laid at the door of the coaching staff, some of those guys did very good after leaving the Rams.
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I don't think they succeeded much more than with the Rams. Maybe they were better fits for other defenses. But they are who they are when it comes to being able to stop a guy in his tracks or dragging him down five or ten yards after contact.

 

[majrleaged]

Player has to be accountable too don't you think? I agree Bradford wasn't maximized. But then again stick Payton Manning in his shoes and things almost surely would have looked different.

Point is he just wasn't a dog. Least not to my eye dudes.

fair enough.

 

[Rams43]

Having a good QB is incredibly important. Gotta have one if one has any hopes of a deep playoff run.

But having a good HC and OC is just as important.

Gotta have both plus a good FO, too.

Rams coaches ruined Bradford and look what Fisher did to Goff in 2016.

Current Rams are Exhibit A for what happens when all cylinders are firing properly.

 

[snackdaddy]

The idea of drafting a possible franchise quarterback is a solid one. As good as Donald is we didn't win a championship until we got our quarterback. That position impacts a game more than any other. Sam Bradford was graded out to be a possible franchise quarterback in college. He checked enough boxes. When you don't have a legit quarterback and that guy is there for you, you have to take him. Sure, it didn't work out. He didn't turn out to be that guy. But at the time it was considered a good pick by most.

 

[PARAM]

Having a good QB is incredibly important. Gotta have one if one has any hopes of a deep playoff run.

But having a good HC and OC is just as important.

Gotta have both plus a good FO, too.

In other words, you have to have talent in multiple areas to go deep in the playoffs and win a Superbowl?

Rams coaches ruined Bradford and look what Fisher did to Goff in 2016.

Current Rams are Exhibit A for what happens when all cylinders are firing properly.

Rams coaches didn't ruin Bradford. Bradford came into the league (just like Gurley) as damaged goods. Bradford's first 3 years he was relatively healthy (42 of 48 games played) and then BAM!! the injury bug hit. He played 7 games over the next 2 years. Injuries ruined Bradford. The first and most devastating was a non contact injury. But had he remained healthy, then the coaches would have ruined him, more than likely.

 

[kurtfaulk]

The first and most devastating was a non contact injury. But had he remained healthy, then the coaches would have ruined him, more than likely.

the first one he got pushed out of bounds by some fuckwit on the panthers team who acted like he made the play of the year. pushing a qb out of bounds who was already running out of bounds. what a hero.

a crushing event for the rams.

then when he came back the next season jeff fisher thought it was a good idea to have a left tackle who was coming back from injury himself and hadn't played a down yet in preseason block on bradford's blindside mid drive and we all know the result of that.

then they shipped him away for nick foles. jeff fisher, qb whisperer.

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[Allen2McVay]

the first one he got pushed out of bounds by some fuckwit on the panthers team who acted like he made the play of the year. pushing a qb out of bounds who was already running out of bounds. what a hero.

a crushing event for the rams.

Safety Mike Mitchell. Known for getting penalized for late hits. Bradford's last regular-season-play as a Ram.

The TV color-commentator was Brian Billick. Confidently stated Bradford hurt his hamstring. I'm watching and thinking ... that ain't no hamstring. I never liked Billick after that.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Safety Mike Mitchell. Known for getting penalized for late hits. Bradford's last regular-season-play as a Ram.

The TV color-commentator was Brian Billick. Confidently stated Bradford hurt his hamstring. I'm watching and thinking ... that ain't no hamstring. I never liked Billick after that.

that's exactly what i would think. the qb is clutching his knee. yep it's a hamstring.

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[Allen2McVay]

that's exactly what i would think. the qb is clutching his knee. yep it's a hamstring.

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I remember Billick being so dismissive about the possibility of a serious injury. I found that arrogant and stupid. Something like that meant a lot to a die-hard Rams' fan. Almost ten years later, and I still remember that moment; and genuinely dislike Brian Billick. Bradford was actually having a good season to that point.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I remember Billick being so dismissive about the possibility of a serious injury. I found that arrogant and stupid. Something like that meant a lot to a die-hard Rams' fan. Almost ten years later, and I still remember that moment; and genuinely dislike Brian Billick. Bradford was actually having a good season to that point.

i was devastated when sammy got injured. almost to the point where i didn't want to watch football again that season. but clemmons was easy to root for.

the next year was even worse. we planned a trip to the usa and we were going to st louis for the cowboys game. i was so excited when i received my tickets the morning of the browns preseason game. then mortified when bradford went down and did his knee again. then to rub salt in the wound even more i had to witness the vikings game before we left for the states.

luckily an unknown qb stepped up and made it a real close game. got to see quick catch a 50 yard td right in front of us and then jenoris jenkins get the pick 6 in front of us. good times. although they lost in the end at least it was a good game. can't think of the qb's name. austin? dunno, he wasn't that good but i'll be forever grateful to him for balling out in that game.

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