Brian Flores suing NFL

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What was Leftwich thinking? He just demanded himself right out of a head coaching job.
I suspect he knows his time will come. Better to land in the right head coaching job than the first one you can get? Especially considering many guys only get one shot.

Knowing who your GM is going to be - trusting that person - respecting that person - being able to work with that person - that’s probably pretty important.
 

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I suspect he knows his time will come. Better to land in the right head coaching job than the first one you can get? Especially considering many guys only get one shot.

Knowing who your GM is going to be - trusting that person - respecting that person - being able to work with that person - that’s probably pretty important.
Sure it is but getting your foot in the door is pretty important too.
 

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Sure it is but getting your foot in the door is pretty important too.
His foot is in a door already. The next step he takes is a huge one. I don’t blame him for treading carefully.

For some of these guys - the interview is a 2 way thing. I’d bet my left nut that Harbaugh went into Minnesota and demanded control over personnel - was told no - and then went back to Michigan for that reason.
 

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His foot is in a door already. The next step he takes is a huge one. I don’t blame him for treading carefully.

For some of these guys - the interview is a 2 way thing. I’d bet my left nut that Harbaugh went into Minnesota and demanded control over personnel - was told no - and then went back to Michigan for that reason.
Wouldn’t doubt it. It’s a sure fire way not to get hired. You have to be something like a McVay to walk in the door demanding what you want.
 

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I posted this early in this thread Tuesday...

Belicheat sent that text out ON PURPOSE.

I have no doubt in my mind.
 

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Brian Daboll and Flores were in a neck and neck race and what people are forgetting now is that Daboll interviewed with the Giants like 48 hours after the incredible playoff game with KC. The guy's star could not have been shining brighter.
Articles like this were being posted daily, and the idea that it wasnt Daboll's job to lose is just disingenous
Here's a guy who's definitely tied in to the Giants, explaining his belief of why Daboll over Flores

View: https://twitter.com/BrandonTierney/status/1487153322566033412?s=20&t=OaMpVbSjOOvPDuJ8KP7e1g

And listen to Tiki's take on it, from a true insider

View: https://twitter.com/NYGFansOnline/status/1488948251495739393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1488948251495739393%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbtbfansite.proboards.com%2Fthread%2F52090%2Fgiants-2022%3Fpage%3D5
 

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Brian Daboll and Flores were in a neck and neck race and what people are forgetting now is that Daboll interviewed with the Giants like 48 hours after the incredible playoff game with KC. The guy's star could not have been shining brighter.
Articles like this were being posted daily, and the idea that it wasnt Daboll's job to lose is just disingenous
Here's a guy who's definitely tied in to the Giants, explaining his belief of why Daboll over Flores

View: https://twitter.com/BrandonTierney/status/1487153322566033412?s=20&t=OaMpVbSjOOvPDuJ8KP7e1g

And listen to Tiki's take on it, from a true insider

View: https://twitter.com/NYGFansOnline/status/1488948251495739393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1488948251495739393%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbtbfansite.proboards.com%2Fthread%2F52090%2Fgiants-2022%3Fpage%3D5

What I don't see people on here attacking is Daboll.

They are attacking the process as described by Flores.
 

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I posted this early in this thread Tuesday...

Belicheat sent that text out ON PURPOSE.

I have no doubt in my mind.
Yeah, people usually don’t treat texts to each other as public info. Wondering if Belicheat gave express permission to get it out there?
 

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Yeah, people usually don’t treat texts to each other as public info. Wondering if Belicheat gave express permission to get it out there?


That piece of shit cheater would love nothing more than to cause problems for any part of the league that doesn't involve his low life franchise.

He's overjoyed that his texts are out there. If he didn't give permission... he damn sure would have if asked.
 

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What I don't see people on here attacking is Daboll.

They are attacking the process as described by Flores.
Who said they are attacking Daboll? I surely didnt. I am attacking the idea that the job wasnt almost assuredly Daboll's and without any texts or insider info needed. The Giants hired Schoen, Daboll is his guy. The Bills offense was unstoppable in the loss, then Daboll shows up to interview. It would have been impossible for him to not get the nod at that point unless he totally botched his interview. Which apparently, he crushed it.
 

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So I asked earlier can this force an ownership change in Miami? The NFL has a new betting partner and they're dropping a lot of money on the NFL. And now we have an owner who's accused of asking his employees to throw games thereby potentially causing the NFL's business partner to lose a lot of money while giving the league a lot of money. I can see how this doesn't end well for Ross.
Exactly so. It's a clear, serious allegation against Ross with potentially massive implications for the league. Like the Patriots' cheating scandal, it potentially calls into question the integrity of the game. And the NFL's business model of legalized betting.

It is tied to the clearly actionable claim of retaliatory firing so's it's not just an alleged conversation with no consequence. I doubt that such a claim is subject to any NFL arbitration clause or to an easy dismissal. Could be a potential attempted civil fraud or criminal offense as well. And if that were not sufficient Flores' firing implicates his claim of discrimination in a much more concrete, specific way than whatever happened with the Giants.

The question imo is whether it can be proven with evidence in addition to Flores' own testimony. Did others in the Dolphins know about the alleged pressure to tank? Did Flores tell others about it at the time? But just the process of determining this will not be pretty for Ross or the NFL. And not sure it will be easy to sweep this under the rug with a settlement.
 

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Exactly so. It's a clear, serious allegation against Ross with potentially massive implications for the league. Like the Patriots' cheating scandal, it potentially calls into question the integrity of the game. And the NFL's business model of legalized betting.

It is tied to the clearly actionable claim of retaliatory firing so's it's not just an alleged conversation with no consequence. I doubt that such a claim is subject to any NFL arbitration clause or to an easy dismissal. Could be a potential attempted civil fraud or criminal offense as well. And if that were not sufficient Flores' firing implicates his claim of discrimination in a much more concrete, specific way than whatever happened with the Giants.

The question imo is whether it can be proven with evidence in addition to Flores' own testimony. Did others in the Dolphins know about the alleged pressure to tank? Did Flores tell others about it at the time? But just the process of determining this will not be pretty for Ross or the NFL. And not sure it will be easy to sweep this under the rug with a settlement.
Supposedly Flores has witnesses who will back him on this allegation. I just don't see how he gets out of this still owning the team if that's the case.
 

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Yup, I posted the exact quotes several times and yet you still keep saying that it says something else
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No, I'm saying it says what it says. Belichick heard from NYG and Buffalo that Daboll was getting the job. Flores got pissed because the Giants interviewed him despite having basically already decided to give the job to somebody else. I am disagreeing with you on the idea that Belichick was merely offering his speculation. He didn't word his text that way. He worded it as if he received information from those in the know.
 

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And 16% of the population in the US. So where is the baseline?
It's not easy to draw a baseline. I'm not arguing that 60% of assistant coaches must be Black. I'm not arguing that 30% of head coaches must be Black. But I am arguing that when 30% of assistant coaches are Black and only 3% of head coaches are Black right now, it strongly demonstrates that there is an issue. A guy like Brian Flores getting fired despite overachieving and winning the past two years only highlights that problem.
 

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Who said they are attacking Daboll? I surely didnt. I am attacking the idea that the job wasnt almost assuredly Daboll's and without any texts or insider info needed. The Giants hired Schoen, Daboll is his guy. The Bills offense was unstoppable in the loss, then Daboll shows up to interview. It would have been impossible for him to not get the nod at that point unless he totally botched his interview. Which apparently, he crushed it.
Which reinforces that they brought Flores in as a sham.
 

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No, I'm saying it says what it says. Belichick heard from NYG and Buffalo that Daboll was getting the job. Flores got pissed because the Giants interviewed him despite having basically already decided to give the job to somebody else. I am disagreeing with you on the idea that Belichick was merely offering his speculation. He didn't word his text that way. He worded it as if he received information from those in the know.
This may well be the case but imo it is not a certainty yet. Belichick was relaying information from others. We don't know who nor what they actually told him. We don't know what they actually knew about the Giants' hiring process. We don't know if they were stating a supposed fact or giving an opinion. And we don't know where the Giants' process actually was at. So I don't think this is any kind of done deal just yet.
 

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This may well be the case but imo it is not a certainty yet. Belichick was relaying information from others. We don't know who nor what they actually told him. We don't know what they actually knew about the Giants' hiring process. We don't know if they were stating a supposed fact or giving an opinion. And we don't know where the Giants' process actually was at. So I don't think this is any kind of done deal just yet.
Agreed. It's not a done deal. My point is over the interpretation of Belichick's words.
 

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Which reinforces that they brought Flores in as a sham.

but that's not their fault. they were only following the rules. they had their guy but needed to interview two black coaches to follow the rules.

the rooney rule needs to be tweaked somehow. i'm not sure how or if it's even possible. i guess the league just hoped the owners would eventually just hire the best guy for the job on their own accord without having the rule in place.

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If I'm an owner right now I would not hire Flores after all this. Simply because for myself trust is crucial with the HC that I in turn trust to run my team. I think Ross doing what he is accused of doing, any owner, is despicable. But I don't want to have to watch what I say when my HC is around for fear that something I might say something that ends up being watercooler discussion.

His lawsuit is definitely courageous. But I don't think he's right. I don't think he's got the Giants by the balls here. And I think there's a reasonable chance there is no racism there, that it is more about developing the QB.

So IMO he may find that he set himself back some years on another shot at HC. Maybe he'll pay that price freely too. Or tell himself that at least. But I think the way he's played this is wrong.
 
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