Brady right?

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I see Brady as a solid QB but by no means among the best of all time.

His Super Bowls were won by a franchise that was caught cheating year over year.

Brady now has incredible talent around him on both sides of the ball.

Bellicheck has an injured QB in year one of the system
 
I hate the Brade-ster as much as any of you. But many have always wondered WHO was the most valuable between Bill and Tom.

Let's pick this discussion up again in December, when the Patriots are something like 8-7 with one game to go.
 
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Disagree. Especially considering the Patriots have had a decent amount of players opt out of the season.. and that tells me BB has something up his sleeve.
 
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I don't understand how you can make that deduction. The Bucs are stacked on offense and defense. The Patriots are not at full strength. With Godwin and Evans Brady gets the best receivers he's had in years. They have a strong running game and their Oline is good enough to not need to scheme a quick passing game. Brady is good, sure. But how good is he if he's on a bad to middle of the pack team? A lot of QBs could look good on that Buccaneers team.
 
Brady does deserve some cred. But I also think Arians deserves some cred. And he's got his old buddy back as DC too, those two make a nice team.

Also and just IMO Belichick is throwing the season to ensure he's in QB range.
 
I hate the Brade-ster as much as any of you. But many have always wondered WHO was the most valuable between Bill and Tom.

Let's pick this discussion up again in December, when the Patriots are something like 8-7 with one game to go.

Riddle me this Batman!
Who are you cheering for this weekend?
 
I hate the Brade-ster as much as any of you. But many have always wondered WHO was the most valuable between Bill and Tom.

Let's pick this discussion up again in December, when the Patriots are something like 8-7 with one game to go.
I don’t think anyone disagrees with you that the bucs are better this year nor do I think that is a fair evaluation of this situation. I don’t see how Brady providing solid veteran qb play to a very talented team means he is more impactful than bb who’s is missing half his stars due to COVID and just lost his starting qb.
 
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which one of them filmed all the other teams on the sideline and produced intricate details of what they were signalling any given down? which one of them designed their gameplans around these details? which one fed the information to the other before the snap every down?

there's your answer.

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It's too early to even discuss. With Ernie Adam's, neither has won shit.
 
6 games into the 1st season may be a little premature to know who was more instrumental to NE success IMO

I don't know. Today, it looks even more so that Brady was more important than BB.
I cannot believe how much some of you like Bill. Ick.
I hate both of them. But that shouldn't stop a discussion on which of the two is more valuable.
 
I don't know. Today, it looks even more so that Brady was more important than BB.
I cannot believe how much some of you like Bill. Ick.
I hate both of them. But that shouldn't stop a discussion on which of the two is more valuable.
The QB is always more valuable then the coach. They’re the one playing. A coach can only effect so much. But if you don’t at least have a decent QB, you don’t stand a chance. Give Belichick someone like Derek Carr and they’re probably 5-2.
 
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