PREGAME Bears at Rams - Pregame Thread

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A skill set that should respected but also not taken as the last word.

Analytics are firmly entrenched in sports, and the rest of the world, but agree that in football (as in life) there are often too many variables to be accounted for. A powerful tool but not the final answer in sports or human affairs.

Seems to me these statistical approaches work best in addressing general trends (such as use of defensive shifts in baseball). However, like all abstractions, they may fail to fully address the individual circumstances of any event. Or all of those circumstances which pile up in, say, a football game. And if key variables are unaccounted for or weighted incorrectly it can all fall apart quickly.
They’re just numbers that can determine certain probabilities.
Some are really useful, others not as much.
A lot of “counting stats” in various sports are deceptive and limited in explaining the game.
 

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This is worse than I thought!

According to Marc Ross, the Rams will miss Morgan COX off their defense.

Losing Johnson, Brockers and Morgan Fox was tough enough but how do we make up for the loss of Cox?!?!
That loss could hurt for a long time.
 

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Hub Arkush: Do Bears or Rams really know what they’re getting into Sunday night?​

Opening weekends in the NFL are notoriously hard to predict and almost certain to produce some surprising outcomes.

Much of the early-season turmoil that has become the norm in the NFL is the simple byproduct of significant roster changes.

But when the Bears visit the Rams on Sunday night in Los Angeles they will go in with even more than the usual uncertainty. They have absolutely no tape of a Matt Stafford-led Rams’ offense or defensive coordinator Raheem Morris’ new defense.

Yes, the Rams were the NFL’s top defense last season, but that led to the mercurial rise of former Bears assistant Brandon Staley, who parlayed his one season as their defensive coordinator into the head coaching job with the Chargers. Also of note, starters, including safety John Johnson, cornerback Troy Hill, D-linemen Michael Brockers and their third leading pass rusher, Morgan Fox, and fourth best, Samson Ebukam, all bolting via free agency.

Bears offensive coordinator Bill Lazor really has almost no idea what the Rams defense will look like.

Likewise Bears rookie defensive coordinator Sean Desai has never seen Stafford run the Rams offense, nor has anyone else who wasn’t at their training camp since he didn’t take a snap in the preseason, and their leading rusher last season, Cam Akers is out for the year.

I asked Desai on Wednesday if he’s been focusing more on watching Stafford as a Lion or studying last season’s tape of the Rams offense even though Jared Goff was under center, and how he balances the two.

“You’ve got to watch both, and fortunately it’s good for us to be facing them Week 1 because we’ve got a lot of time to be able to do that in the offseason,” he said. “There’s going to be layers of both things that we see that’s going to show up on game day.”

What is Desai the most curious about?

“You know, I think, that’s a good question, because I think the (Sean) McVay system is going to be the system, and they’re going to have a lot of new wrinkles with Matt,” Desai said. “Matt’s a stud. He’s one of the top quarterbacks in this league. ... and obviously he’s going with one of the top offensive minds in the league.”

On the other side, Lazor has a pretty good handle on the challenges Defensive MVP Aaron Donald will bring, but will Morris run Staley’s same system and schemes?

Lazor recalled facing Morris last season, when Morris was serving as the Atlanta Falcons defensive coordinator.

“He tried to take away the things he thought were best from us in the run game and he was successful on some of it,” Lazor said. “He tried to put some different pressures on us to affect us in the pass game — at times he was effective with it, and so I think he’ll do the same thing.”

Of course, this will be fourth season in a row the Rams and Bears meet in the regular season so most of the players know each other well, but turnabout is fair play and Morris and McVay have never seen an Andy Dalton-led Bears’ team with all their new found speed, nor has McVay seen a Desai-led defense, but he does have the edge of knowing Desai comes from the exact same school as Staley did.

So where do you focus if you’re hoping to predict an outcome?

When the schemes are uncertain, the studs are usually the guys to watch.

This one could very well come down to a big play or two from Stafford, Donald or all-world corner Jaylen Ramsey, or will Dalton, Khalil Mack or Roquan Smith prove to be the difference?

Is it really the Rams that are touchdown favorites over the Bears, or just Donald and Stafford?
 

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Yeah there's definitely a TMZ-like entertainment vibe since the NFL has gone mainstream in the last few years. You see that with all the pop culture references and whatnot. There's actually plenty of stuff in the NFL, you can do in-depth matchups for every game, player stories outside of Tommy boy and Patrick Mahomes, but demographics and ratings and shit y'know?

Most of that stuff would go right over peoples heads and isn't fun I guess. Which is a shame.

I found some great YouTube stuff with people going into some real detailed breakdowns, explaining concepts why you run different things at different times.

If I was in charge, that's what I would be showing, breaking down tape and explaining just how dominate a player like Donald is showing things that go unnoticed by the average fan, having a show that explains something like a Yankee Concept and stuff. Instead it's like talk show stuff, shallow conversation, people playing games and basically throwing darts at a dartboard to pick things.

I don't care what player you would pick as DPOY if you remove Donald from the conversation. How about you show exactly why Donald keeps winning the award instead with some real football stuff.

Part of me thinks that the NFL actually doesn't want fans to really understand some of the concepts at a deeper level. Keep it surface level and hope for blind allegiance
 

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Most of that stuff would go right over peoples heads and isn't fun I guess. Which is a shame.

I found some great YouTube stuff with people going into some real detailed breakdowns, explaining concepts why you run different things at different times.

If I was in charge, that's what I would be showing, breaking down tape and explaining just how dominate a player like Donald is showing things that go unnoticed by the average fan, having a show that explains something like a Yankee Concept and stuff. Instead it's like talk show stuff, shallow conversation, people playing games and basically throwing darts at a dartboard to pick things.

I don't care what player you would pick as DPOY if you remove Donald from the conversation. How about you show exactly why Donald keeps winning the award instead with some real football stuff.

Part of me thinks that the NFL actually doesn't want fans to really understand some of the concepts at a deeper level. Keep it surface level and hope for blind allegiance

Yup for sure. Also, even though a lot of people don't like fantasy football, some of the podcasts and vids out there do a lot of deep dives and concepts because of the matchups. Like one I listened to this morning is that Eddie Goldman may not be 100% or even out which = more opportunity for Darrell Henderson production. Most people probably don't know who Eddie Goldman is. They just think Bears = Khalil Mack = good.
 

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Stupidly, the wife and I agreed to attend a bachelor/bachelorette party in Scottsdale until Sunday. At the time, had no thoughts that it would be the opening weekend of the NFL (or that freaking Delta would be raging). So now I essentially get to miss almost all of the NFL on opening weekend, and my flight lands back home literally as the Rams game kicks off. Thank God for DVR's. I'll be utterly a stressed out mess until I get start watching it... hell, even while I'm watching it. I'm stressed out about it right now.

GO RAMS!!!
 

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Morris and McVay have never seen an Andy Dalton-led Bears’ team with all their new found speed,
I think I can imagine it. I foresee Dalton getting a free ride to the locker room on one of those carts.
I see Fields also getting his debut albeit not in the best of circumstances.
 

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Stupidly, the wife and I agreed to attend a bachelor/bachelorette party in Scottsdale until Sunday. At the time, had no thoughts that it would be the opening weekend of the NFL (or that freaking Delta would be raging). So now I essentially get to miss almost all of the NFL on opening weekend, and my flight lands back home literally as the Rams game kicks off. Thank God for DVR's. I'll be utterly a stressed out mess until I get start watching it... hell, even while I'm watching it. I'm stressed out about it right now.

GO RAMS!!!
I don't know Flatlyner, sounds to me like you may be coming down with a bug of some sort and the last
thing you would want to do is spread it at a gathering where there will be many people.
Sounds like like to me the best course of measure would be for you to stay home and get some rest.
Pretty sure that is CDC required protocol. Wink Wink.
 

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I like short centers they are already in good leverage position at snap.
And the QB can see over them. But 6'2" vs 6'4"... really? Are the size differences really that crucial - or is everyone just being anal?
 

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Anyone actually attending the game at Sofi?
If so, please give an update on the fan experience and if its still as much of a shit show as it was in preseason.
Just had surgery so I won't be able to make the first couple home games . Hope condition/concessions improve by then.