Asshole Face predicts the NFL is headed to a lottery.

[Elmgrovegnome]

I thought this was interesting. He mentions two instances of NFL teams tanking (some say it never happens). He also mentions the NFL tie in with gambling and teams tanking for a generational talent would be bad for business.

It’s in the first segment of the show.


View: https://youtu.be/sq24pcHf2bQ

 

[Psycho_X]

I'm not completely opposed to it but would be a bummer if we have to because of gambling. I don't give a shit about Joe Schmo with a gambling problem or casinos losing money betting on a game they know there's a chance a team would pull starters during it. Not any different than teams who have nothing to play for because they are already the #1 seed in week 18 and decide not to play starters or pulls them early. You know there's a chance so bet accordingly... put up your odds accordingly.

But if it does happen it sucks for teams who are the worst each year if they lose out on that pick. It would take a little bit of parity away... not a ton but a little. Some poor team is going to get screwed every year. It brings excitement to teams who aren't the worst though because there's a chance they might move up in the draft. As long as your team isn't the worst you'll like it probably lol.

 

[dieterbrock]

I just look at the Jets scenario. Team played hard and beat the heavily favored Rams. Fans in NY were incredulous over winning that game. That just isnt and shouldnt be the spirit of the game.
Let the top 5 worst teams draw straws and no team should be allowed to draft 1st consecutive years

 

[Jacobarch]

I dunno, even top picks are a real crap shoot in the NFL. Tanking for a player is a bust in itself. First round players often don't work out and if a team wants to layup a season based upon a player waiting for them with the first pick doesn't change a thing.

Look at it this way...Take the Lions as an example. Team has been a heap for how many years now? Consistently getting top picks in the draft. Are they any better for it? Nope they sure aren't. The NFL is completely different than the NBA. One player doesn't make a huge difference because it's the ultimate team sport. But Basketball is a sport where one great player can make all the difference in the world. IE LBJames, Kobe, Curry. The List goes on and on.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I dunno, even top picks are a real crap shoot in the NFL. Tanking for a player is a bust in itself. First round players often don't work out and if a team wants to layup a season based upon a player waiting for them with the first pick doesn't change a thing.

Look at it this way...Take the Lions as an example. Team has been a heap for how many years now? Consistently getting top picks in the draft. Are they any better for it? Nope they sure aren't. The NFL is completely different than the NBA. One player doesn't make a huge difference because it's the ultimate team sport. But Basketball is a sport where one great player can make all the difference in the world. IE LBJames, Kobe, Curry. The List goes on and on.

A Caleb Williams could be the type that can turn a team around. Sort of like a Mahomes, as they mentioned. Andrew Luck comes to mind also.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I'm not completely opposed to it but would be a bummer if we have to because of gambling. I don't give a shit about Joe Schmo with a gambling problem or casinos losing money betting on a game they know there's a chance a team would pull starters during it. Not any different than teams who have nothing to play for because they are already the #1 seed in week 18 and decide not to play starters or pulls them early. You know there's a chance so bet accordingly... put up your odds accordingly.

But if it does happen it sucks for teams who are the worst each year if they lose out on that pick. It would take a little bit of parity away... not a ton but a little. Some poor team is going to get screwed every year. It brings excitement to teams who aren't the worst though because there's a chance they might move up in the draft. As long as your team isn't the worst you'll like it probably lol.

I get your point. It’s a bad situation but Payton did mention two teams that yanked on purpose. Would it get worse for an elite QB?

Some drafts are better than others and yes the GMs have to make the right picks. There will always be Gregg Robinsons out there. But with the scouting being as advanced as it is now, using metrics and even character examination, do we really see as many misses in the top five to ten picks very often?

 

[Jacobarch]

A Caleb Williams could be the type that can turn a team around. Sort of like a Mahomes, as they mentioned. Andrew Luck comes to mind also.

I would tend to agree slightly. Only slightly tho. I believe Andy Reid turned that team around. The Same could be same about the Colts both Pagano and Reich are great coaches when Luck was playing.

I'm a firm believer that no QB comes into the league and does it on their own no matter how good they are. You think Mahomes would make a huge difference for the Rams ATM? Maybe a game or two but the dude would be running for his life and would be taking a lot of unnecessary hits which would probably lead to an injury. Teams are only as good as their coaching and injury status.

 

[Merlin]

I'd lottery all the non-playoff teams. Think it's overdue too.

 

[dieterbrock]

I'd lottery all the non-playoff teams. Think it's overdue too.

I'd be down with that too. Although I'd prefer it be NBA style where its weighted towards teams with worst records get the best "chance" at the lower picks.
Shoot, the NFL could make it a 2 hour event on TV and people would watch the live drawing.
And pay ridiculous money to be there....

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I would tend to agree slightly. Only slightly tho. I believe Andy Reid turned that team around. The Same could be same about the Colts both Pagano and Reich are great coaches when Luck was playing.

I'm a firm believer that no QB comes into the league and does it on their own no matter how good they are. You think Mahomes would make a huge difference for the Rams ATM? Maybe a game or two but the dude would be running for his life and would be taking a lot of unnecessary hits which would probably lead to an injury. Teams are only as good as their coaching and injury status.

A superior scheme and roster may be able to overcome a mediocre QB in many instances, but when it comes down to the playoffs, where the best face the best, the Qb is usually the deciding factor. Stafford > Garapolo for instance. Does that game end the same if the Niners had Rodgers?

 

[RamFan503]

Seems unnecessary to me. Sure a team is going to tank once in a while but even with supposed "franchise QBs" it is not a sure thing. Luck was probably the most sure fire franchise QB in recent history and he lasted 6 seasons, and had a 4-4 playoff record. I didn't see anyone tanking to grab Mahomes.

Just more tinkering to make it look like they're trying to improve the sport. Leave it alone already.

 

[jrry32]

A lottery would be stupid.

 

[RamFan503]

A lottery would be stupid.

So you're saying it's a lock.

 

[CGI_Ram]

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

 

[Jacobarch]

A superior scheme and roster may be able to overcome a mediocre QB in many instances, but when it comes down to the playoffs, where the best face the best, the Qb is usually the deciding factor. Stafford > Garapolo for instance. Does that game end the same if the Niners had Rodgers?

Youre comparing apples to apples tho. I'm talking about a terrible team with a good QB. Take a look at the Packers this year. It's exactly my point

In addition, burrow beat mahomes last year and mahomes is better than burrow. Both of whom are better than Stafford based upon where they are in their careers at the moment.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Youre comparing apples to apples tho. I'm talking about a terrible team with a good QB. Take a look at the Packers this year. It's exactly my point

In addition, burrow beat mahomes last year and mahomes is better than burrow. Both of whom are better than Stafford based upon where they are in their careers at the moment.

Well, for most terrible teams to get to be a playoff contender it doesn’t happen until they get a good QB. Sure the coaching matters but how many great QBs played for terrible teams their entire career? Usually the team gets built around the QB.

Few good teams with bad QBs win Superbowls, especially since offense now rules the league. Flacco and Dilfer are the only two I can think off but that’s when great defenses were enough to shut down offenses.

 

[Psycho_X]

I get your point. It’s a bad situation but Payton did mention two teams that yanked on purpose. Would it get worse for an elite QB?

Some drafts are better than others and yes the GMs have to make the right picks. There will always be Gregg Robinsons out there. But with the scouting being as advanced as it is now, using metrics and even character examination, do we really see as many misses in the top five to ten picks very often?

Yeah like some said already it's a very rare draft a QB is considered a guarantee, if there is such a thing really, that it would be cause for concern. And of the two examples, the Bucs tanked for Jameis Winston lol. And the Eagles ended up trading 6th overall to the Dolphins who picked Jaylen Waddle and then subsequently traded back up with Cowboys to ultimately pick Devonta Smith. The Cowboys picked Micah Parsons with that pick... so ultimately the Eagles tanked to pick Devonta Smith when they traded out of two players who are better than him. It's just such an unknown that the success of tanking I'd say isn't worth even doing it let alone altering the draft process to try and avoid it. But like asshole face says it comes down to gambling so it'll probably happen.

 

[Selassie I]

Fuck Asshole Face. Nobody should care about the shit that comes out of his lying mouth.

He's a complete fake and throws his people under the bus whenever the heat gets turned up. Scumbag of the highest level.


The lottery is a necessity in the NBA where one single player can completely fix a franchise almost by themselves. A game that has only 5 players on each team at a time that have to play offense and defense.

It isn't a good comparison to the NFL.

 

[HighDesertRam]

so that means the New England Patriots would get the #1 pick every year.

 

[Gandalf]

I hope not, sometimes it seems like the NBA lotto is rigged.