Annual Bad Pre-Training Camp Roster Prediction

[Allen2McVay]

Not for me as I really believe it depends upon the actual player, his position and his situation with the key being how easy it would be to replace said player (Admittedly that is easier for some organizations than others).

That's why I said that most solid veterans are also JAG.

For example. Ernest Jones was a solid LB. He was easily replaced by JAG Nate Landman.

IMO, it's far more difficult with QBs and far easier with other positions like WRs. Don't get me wrong, talent is important at WR. But a lesser talented WR who is merely on the same page with a good/great QB can still put up numbers do wonders on offense.

Seems to me that these are two Different Topics.

One is simply player-evaluation-opinions ... which vary. One person may view a player as a Solid Veteran, while someone else may view that same player as a JAG. Just varying opinions that are subject to debate.

The second topic is one of objective classification of the terms Solid Veteran vs. Just-a-Guy.
To describe a player as a Solid Veteran is to state that he is More-than, or Better-than Just-a-Guy.
The terms are simply not synonymous. I just don't see that as debatable.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Seems to me that these are two Different Topics.

One is simply player-evaluation-opinions ... which vary. One person may view a player as a Solid Veteran, while someone else may view that same player as a JAG. Just varying opinions that are subject to debate.

The second topic is one of objective classification of the terms Solid Veteran vs. Just-a-Guy.
To describe a player as a Solid Veteran is to state that he is More-than, or Better-than Just-a-Guy.
The terms are simply not synonymous. I just don't see that as debatable.

If one were speaking in general I would agree with you. But, I'm not sure anyone was doing that until you jumped in. At least I wasn't.

 

[Allen2McVay]

If one were speaking in general I would agree with you. But, I'm not sure anyone was doing that until you jumped in. At least I wasn't.

I was focusing on your comment that ...
'most solid veterans are JAGs ... . Sure some may be more experienced, but they are still JAGs.'

I strongly disagree with that statement.


However, I did jump-in to the exchange late ... so, I will now jump-out ...

 

[El Chapo Jr]

We would all feel better to have better depth at every singe position on the team. But whatever may gives us the warm and fuzzies doesn't mean it's necessary for success.

Or that it may be necessary......

 

[El Chapo Jr]

As stated earlier, each of us are going to have differing opinions on who is solid or not.

You are right. Jefferson had no dawg in him at all. Still he looked solid to me in 2021, though you could sorta tell his knee started giving him trouble.

But, let's say he was always JAG. A JAG had 50 receptions for 802 yards and 6 TDs in 2021. Shouldn't that tell us how easy the position is to fill?

But that's where you get my definition incorrect. A solid vet is someone that has more than a flash in the pan year of being a solid vet. I want someone that consistently gives solid work year to year or has a better/longer body of work than Jefferson. To me, other than that one year you are talking about, Van Jefferson just wasn't it. He honestly to me is a player that was about to cross that JAG barrier but he just couldn't find that inner dog. I think a lot of us believe if he somehow got that dog in him, he would have turned out to be a much better player. Not hating on the dude as I also cheered him frustratingly on.

 

[Fire Ants]

I like that both 53s have UDFAs making it but it’s more likely most if not all will be on the practice squad and only if they show possible starting, sub-package and/or demon special teams potential

That’s how it is, it’s a tough tough roster to crack

Yeah, I think the gang is a bit too high on the FA's.

 

[Memphis Ram]

But that's where you get my definition incorrect. A solid vet is someone that has more than a flash in the pan year of being a solid vet. I want someone that consistently gives solid work year to year or has a better/longer body of work than Jefferson. To me, other than that one year you are talking about, Van Jefferson just wasn't it. He honestly to me is a player that was about to cross that JAG barrier but he just couldn't find that inner dog. I think a lot of us believe if he somehow got that dog in him, he would have turned out to be a much better player. Not hating on the dude as I also cheered him frustratingly on.

So we are even working on a different definition because for me once that rookie season is over I consider a player a veteran. And a WR can be solid after one good season IMO, as he's proven he can do it. Hence a solid veteran WR. But, again situations/circumstances change for these guys. Whether that be injuries, wear and tear, usage, fit, his QB or offense, etc...

IMO, Jefferson's main issue with the Rams is that the team wanted and needed more than a solid WR out of him.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I was focusing on your comment that ...
'most solid veterans are JAGs ... . Sure some may be more experienced, but they are still JAGs.'

I strongly disagree with that statement.


However, I did jump-in to the exchange late ... so, I will now jump-out ...
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Not me when it comes to the WR topic that was and is being discussed.

IMO, WR may be the most plentiful position talentwise in the entire NFL (Doesn't hurt that it's one of, if not the most drafted positions annually)

This makes even solid veterans (anyone's definition) very replaceable to me. Especially, when the main keys for success include the player being a scheme fit and being on the same page with a good/great QB.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

So we are even working on a different definition because for me once that rookie season is over I consider a player a veteran. And a WR can be solid after one good season IMO, as he's proven he can do it. But, again situations/circumstances change for these guys. Whether that be injuries, wear and tear, usage, fit, his QB or offense, etc...

IMO, Jefferson's main issue with the Rams is that the team wanted and needed more than a solid WR out of

I wouldn't call a 2nd year player a vet at all. They are still young as hell at that point and got plenty to learn. Its possible for one to be but its usually not the case. I'm more of the mindset that they are a vet when they got the NFL life down as far as on and off the field to the point where younger players can come to them for help.