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[Merlin]

This is going to be a crucial season for Jefferson's future in horns. That INT in the Super Bowl hurt his standing on the team. The Rams know he's timid when it comes to going for the ball. Seems like every time I see him with Yarbs on mic'd up segments Yarbs is talking up the physicality and aggression with him. They know he needs to work on it.

But honestly some shit is really tough to fix with coaching. Things that go back to who a player is for example. He's a respectful kid, a cautious and careful type, at least from my armchair. Getting him to play more aggressively might be a tough thing to pull off. Maybe in fact he ends up getting flipped elsewhere as his initial contract gets short.

What I like for 2022 is he should be able to own that WR3 role given this roster. So he'll be a key guy whose development will factor in largely in how well this team does. If he struggles to improve in those areas then it opens up opportunity for Skow and Harris.

Tutu also is in a similar situation. He's gonna have to toughen up to stick on this team. McVay said he needs to show more urgency iirc, which is really a bad thing to hear him say. For him to come out with that to the media means something IMO and it ain't good. As things stand right now Skow can go in there and function in the fullback role and seems to have a great grasp of the scheme. Harris was being worked hard on a lot of the play calls we saw OBJ own down the stretch. I don't think Harris has the hands to be that guy, but they might be good enough to push for playing time.

Would not surprise me if they were to move Tutu basically. Normally I wouldn't think it would be a this year thing either. But this is the Rams we're talking about. They don't F around.

 

[BonifayRam]

This is going to be a crucial season for Jefferson's future in horns. That INT in the Super Bowl hurt his standing on the team. The Rams know he's timid when it comes to going for the ball. Seems like every time I see him with Yarbs on mic'd up segments Yarbs is talking up the physicality and aggression with him. They know he needs to work on it.

But honestly some shit is really tough to fix with coaching. Things that go back to who a player is for example. He's a respectful kid, a cautious and careful type, at least from my armchair. Getting him to play more aggressively might be a tough thing to pull off. Maybe in fact he ends up getting flipped elsewhere as his initial contract gets short.

What I like for 2022 is he should be able to own that WR3 role given this roster. So he'll be a key guy whose development will factor in largely in how well this team does. If he struggles to improve in those areas then it opens up opportunity for the Skow and Harris.

Tutu also is in a similar situation. He's gonna have to toughen up to stick on this team. McVay said he needs to show more urgency iirc, which is really a bad fucking thing to hear him say. For him to come out with that to the media means something IMO and it ain't good. As things stand right now Skow can go in there and function in the fullback role and seems to have a great grasp of the scheme. Harris was being worked hard on a lot of the play calls we saw OBJ own down the stretch. I don't think Harris has the hands to be that guy, but they might be good enough to push for playing time.

Would not surprise me if they were to move Tutu basically. Normally I wouldn't think it would be a this year thing either. But this is the Rams we're talking about. They don't F around.

Ref. TuTu Atwell.......I agree there is no expectation by him to have the right to a Master Roster Position at the end of August of this year.

Whatever the Rams team had to tolerate last season with his lack of effort & play will not be endured again. I have read some fluff high opinions here on Atwells latent potential skill possession.... I clearly do not see any in 2021. In addition, I do not see the abundance of reason to put up with a continuation of the 2021 version of TuTu Atwell.

I do see a much more positive view of young WR's like Brandon Powell/ Jacob Harris/ Ben Skowronek & Landen Akers.

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McVay from my perspective seems to be trending towards my thoughts on TuTu Atwell. If Jefferson can restart to build on being that Stafford deep threat that is seriously needed & that is accomplished, it will make it very hard on TuTu Atwell's roster position. Presently, TuTu Atwell is the 4th highest paid WR.

I certainly hope that I am 100% wrong.

Who is this guy below......

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[Kupped]

This is going to be a crucial season for Jefferson's future in horns. That INT in the Super Bowl hurt his standing on the team. The Rams know he's timid when it comes to going for the ball. Seems like every time I see him with Yarbs on mic'd up segments Yarbs is talking up the physicality and aggression with him. They know he needs to work on it.

But honestly some shit is really tough to fix with coaching. Things that go back to who a player is for example. He's a respectful kid, a cautious and careful type, at least from my armchair. Getting him to play more aggressively might be a tough thing to pull off. Maybe in fact he ends up getting flipped elsewhere as his initial contract gets short.

What I like for 2022 is he should be able to own that WR3 role given this roster. So he'll be a key guy whose development will factor in largely in how well this team does. If he struggles to improve in those areas then it opens up opportunity for the Skow and Harris.

Tutu also is in a similar situation. He's gonna have to toughen up to stick on this team. McVay said he needs to show more urgency iirc, which is really a bad fucking thing to hear him say. For him to come out with that to the media means something IMO and it ain't good. As things stand right now Skow can go in there and function in the fullback role and seems to have a great grasp of the scheme. Harris was being worked hard on a lot of the play calls we saw OBJ own down the stretch. I don't think Harris has the hands to be that guy, but they might be good enough to push for playing time.

Would not surprise me if they were to move Tutu basically. Normally I wouldn't think it would be a this year thing either. But this is the Rams we're talking about. They don't F around.

If they keep Tutu.. I think it plays into 4 WR sets, primarily. I think of the KC model with a guy like Hardman.
Could see space being opened up for him to get hit underneath with space and a seam to hit the jets.

 

[Merlin]

Who is this guy below......

Yet another dipshit who doesn't know anything about the Rams roster.

 

[dpjax]

View: https://twitter.com/AllenRobinson/status/1505567756837552131?s=20&t=3wg_qdJLl1SvOgUnigZAMQ

 

[badnews]

This is going to be a crucial season for Jefferson's future in horns. That INT in the Super Bowl hurt his standing on the team. The Rams know he's timid when it comes to going for the ball. Seems like every time I see him with Yarbs on mic'd up segments Yarbs is talking up the physicality and aggression with him. They know he needs to work on it.

But honestly some shit is really tough to fix with coaching. Things that go back to who a player is for example. He's a respectful kid, a cautious and careful type, at least from my armchair. Getting him to play more aggressively might be a tough thing to pull off. Maybe in fact he ends up getting flipped elsewhere as his initial contract gets short.

What I like for 2022 is he should be able to own that WR3 role given this roster. So he'll be a key guy whose development will factor in largely in how well this team does. If he struggles to improve in those areas then it opens up opportunity for Skow and Harris.

Tutu also is in a similar situation. He's gonna have to toughen up to stick on this team. McVay said he needs to show more urgency iirc, which is really a bad thing to hear him say. For him to come out with that to the media means something IMO and it ain't good. As things stand right now Skow can go in there and function in the fullback role and seems to have a great grasp of the scheme. Harris was being worked hard on a lot of the play calls we saw OBJ own down the stretch. I don't think Harris has the hands to be that guy, but they might be good enough to push for playing time.

Would not surprise me if they were to move Tutu basically. Normally I wouldn't think it would be a this year thing either. But this is the Rams we're talking about. They don't F around.

I thought McVays "urgency" remark was directly related to Atwell as a returner.... which was a failed experiment obviously.

I have a *REALLY* hard time believing that Snead and his scouts missed a work ethic issue with their highest pick....

Besides, Atwells college film shows that he works on his craft. He isn't a Tavon or Donnie Avery who rely on quickness and speed but never had any craft to their game.

 

[Merlin]

Imagine if this guy gets his shit together this offseason:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWL5Xez7bKI&ab_channel=ACCDigitalNetwork

 

[Merlin]

I thought McVays "urgency" remark was directly related to Atwell as a returner.... which was a failed experiment obviously.

I have a *REALLY* hard time believing that Snead and his scouts missed a work ethic issue with their highest pick....

Besides, Atwells college film shows that he works on his craft. He isn't a Tavon or Donnie Avery who rely on quickness and speed but never had any craft to their game.

Honestly I don't know if his comments were solely restricted to return duties. I don't recall. And I hope you're right that chances are Snead and company didn't miss a work ethic issue. I do tend to agree with that line of thinking.

My concerns with him (outside of the McVay comment) mostly revolve around how he doesn't look fast thus far at the NFL level. But that can often be a side effect of thinking, which is a side effect of not knowing wtf you're doing in the scheme.

So good chance this next OTA and camp window helps him a ton. If he's gonna be a guy they hit on, then we should also see him competing for that WR3 role with Jefferson. Will that happen? No idea but I am rooting for him for sure.

 

[badnews]

Imagine if this guy gets his shit together this offseason:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWL5Xez7bKI&ab_channel=ACCDigitalNetwork

A lot of rookies come in with their head spinning..
We've gotten used to immediate returns... but playing WR in a room of Kupp, Woods, VJ, DJax... the size of the learning curve would seem insurmountable to most mortals...

 

[FarNorth]

View: https://twitter.com/AllenRobinson/status/1505567756837552131?s=20&t=3wg_qdJLl1SvOgUnigZAMQ

Very class act by Allen Robinson. Liking this guy more and more all the time.

 

[payote75]

I do think because of our depth initially and then he was hurt that we haven't seen anything yet from tutu besides some decent stuff in the preseason. While it's a huge reach I've continued to watch different vids on you tube and I do think he will have a roll. He is a good route runner and he does work on his craft you can see it in all the videos. I cannot see a reason besides injury because of his size why he can't be like a Tyreek Hill. He won't block very well one would assume but say with Obj or Van then with the other two studs blocking or decoys wteva there is no reason this dude even has to be touched. Even if you can jam him but you miss your dead and he shows the ability to beat you without the ball when you go for the jam. So with 2 blocking receivers and van is good too obj is willing but hasn't perfected the block lol I can see tutu having success. Why can't he be a Tyreek type or a djax type?

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I do think because of our depth initially and then he was hurt that we haven't seen anything yet from tutu besides some decent stuff in the preseason. While it's a huge reach I've continued to watch different vids on you tube and I do think he will have a roll. He is a good route runner and he does work on his craft you can see it in all the videos. I cannot see a reason besides injury because of his size why he can't be like a Tyreek Hill. He won't block very well one would assume but say with Obj or Van then with the other two studs blocking or decoys wteva there is no reason this dude even has to be touched. Even if you can jam him but you miss your dead and he shows the ability to beat you without the ball when you go for the jam. So with 2 blocking receivers and van is good too obj is willing but hasn't perfected the block lol I can see tutu having success. Why can't he be a Tyreek type or a djax type?

He can't be a Tyreek or djax type because he weighs the same as a middle schooler lol..... hopefully he's put on some mass cuz he definitely needs it to better survive the rigors of the NFL

 

[SAK11]

I do think because of our depth initially and then he was hurt that we haven't seen anything yet from tutu besides some decent stuff in the preseason. While it's a huge reach I've continued to watch different vids on you tube and I do think he will have a roll. He is a good route runner and he does work on his craft you can see it in all the videos. I cannot see a reason besides injury because of his size why he can't be like a Tyreek Hill. He won't block very well one would assume but say with Obj or Van then with the other two studs blocking or decoys wteva there is no reason this dude even has to be touched. Even if you can jam him but you miss your dead and he shows the ability to beat you without the ball when you go for the jam. So with 2 blocking receivers and van is good too obj is willing but hasn't perfected the block lol I can see tutu having success. Why can't he be a Tyreek type or a djax type?

I think he's a lot weaker than Hill. I can't imagine his hands are as good as Hill's, either. Hill is also an athletic freak in every way, whereas Tutu seems like a speed guy. Of course, we haven't really seen much of Tutu at the NFL level yet, but it would be very hard for him to even get close to Hill's production and ability. I'm just hoping he can be a contributing part of the offense. With Woods gone, he could be someone we try to use on end-arounds; he was good at that at the college level. Of course, it will be hard for him to get on the field with all the talent we have at the WR position.

 

[payote75]

He can't be a Tyreek or djax type because he weighs the same as a middle schooler lol..... hopefully he's put on some mass cuz he definitely needs it to better survive the rigors of the NFL

I think everyone understands how big he is but if your going to use him as a possession recievers he is as good as dead until maybe as you said some more bulking but he does possess an ability to ole' people so his skills are there. He also seems to know how to minimize getting hit. It's an adjustment to how the NFL players move and run then when your playing college once he gets that down to he will know how to get down minimize impact and use the sidelines. He will never be a number 1 or more than likely a number 2 but it's still unfair to write him off completely. We all know its easy to say now wish we had drafted Creed or we had a chance at bitchface DK and passed.....I'm just not ready to pull that plug just yet.

 

[FarNorth]

Imagine if this guy gets his shit together this offseason:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWL5Xez7bKI&ab_channel=ACCDigitalNetwork

It could still happen. Atwell is a calculated drafting gamble that may not pay off, but we don't know that for sure yet. The Rams didn't draft him for nothing instead of our board anointed center of the future.

We know he's small and yeah McVay was unhappy with him. But in preseason last year imo he looked good catching the ball from a QB with nowhere near a Stafford arm. We know from college too that he can actually track and catch the ball-- more than can be said for a couple of guys higher on the Rams WR depth chart.

Atwell doesn't have to be an all around receiver. Assuming he can learn the routes and playbook-- a challenge for young player in McVay's offense unless you're a rocket scientist like Kupp-- and then he just needs to be a credible threat stretching the field, either deep or underneath, given the other weapons we will have on the field. Put in him in a 4 wide or bunch formation with Kupp, Robinson, and OBJ and what does a safety do?

Imo McVay still has his eyes on a KC style stretch the field offense with a real deep threat. Maybe Jefferson is that guy, not so sure, but still hoping one of our second year guys can step up too.

 

[payote75]

I think he's a lot weaker than Hill. I can't imagine his hands are as good as Hill's, either. Hill is also an athletic freak in every way, whereas Tutu seems like a speed guy. Of course, we haven't really seen much of Tutu at the NFL level yet, but it would be very hard for him to even get close to Hill's production and ability. I'm just hoping he can be a contributing part of the offense. With Woods gone, he could be someone we try to use on end-arounds; he was good at that at the college level. Of course, it will be hard for him to get on the field with all the talent we have at the WR position.

That's the thing yes a gadget play here or there is fine but you want to draw up stuff that plays to his strength on space and also stuff where because of his frame he won't get destroyed minimize his potential contact o know this is football but like you draw a fade up for Obj or ARob that's putting them in a position to succeed so tutu needs that help more so because he is built like a junior high kid lol. That said I'm say a hill "type player" I think once he adjusts to the NFL speed he will figure out ways to not get smashed.

Let's not for get he probably dealt with this tiny tutu problem at every level so let's hand tight before we just declare bust. Wasn't my favorite pick either still isn't but til he plays more jury still out.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I think everyone understands how big he is but if your going to use him as a possession recievers he is as good as dead until maybe as you said some more bulking but he does possess an ability to ole' people so his skills are there. He also seems to know how to minimize getting hit. It's an adjust how the NFL players move and run them when your playing college once he gets that down to he will know how to get down minimize impact and use the sidelines. He will never be a number 1 or more than likely a number 2 but it's still unfair to write him off completely. We all know its easy to say now wish we had drafted Creed or we had a chance at bitchface DK and passed.....I'm just not ready to pull that plug just yet.

I'll definitely write him off as a #1 WR for sure but can he develop into a fast slot? Possibly, but I'm not banking on it. Praying he proves me and other doubters wrong, but time will tell as none of us truly knows if Tutu is putting in the work he needs to behind the scenes. With that said, he better get his shit together as I'm fairly confident we'll draft another WR since we seem to draft one every year.

 

[badnews]

Honestly I don't know if his comments were solely restricted to return duties. I don't recall. And I hope you're right that chances are Snead and company didn't miss a work ethic issue. I do tend to agree with that line of thinking.

My concerns with him (outside of the McVay comment) mostly revolve around how he doesn't look fast thus far at the NFL level. But that can often be a side effect of thinking, which is a side effect of not knowing wtf you're doing in the scheme.

So good chance this next OTA and camp window helps him a ton. If he's gonna be a guy they hit on, then we should also see him competing for that WR3 role with Jefferson. Will that happen? No idea but I am rooting for him for sure.

Yeah my expectations for him aren't much bigger than he is... but I'm not ready to give up on him.

 

[payote75]

I'll definitely write him off as a #1 WR for sure but can he develop into a fast slot? Possibly, but I'm not banking on it. Praying he proves me and other doubters wrong, but time will tell as none of us truly knows if Tutu is putting in the work he needs to behind the scenes. With that said, he better get his shit together as I'm fairly confident we'll draft another WR since we seem to draft one every year.

Yea that's pretty fair trust me creed would look a lot better but I think there might be some hope for tutu yet.

 

[Mackeyser]

I think Harris becomes a TE now, but who knows? Also you forgot Brandon Powell.

WR's.

1. Cooper Kupp
2. Allen Robinson
3. Van Jefferson
4. Ben Skowronek
5. Brandon Powell
6. TuTu Atwell
7. J.J. Koski
8. Landen Akers
9. Warren Jackson

TE's.

1. Tyler Higbee
2. Kendall Blanton
3. Brycen Hopkins
4. Jacob Harris

No. Harris clearly was NOT meant as a TE and McVay cleared that up prior to Harris’ injury. If anything, Skow would be the one to move as he’s less explosive, slower and bigger by at least 20lbs