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[PhillyRam]

View: https://x.com/OzzyNFL/status/1920616994283360608

If true, likely another early bye as it would probably be after that game.

 

[Memento]

At least it's not a home game.

 

[DzRams]

Tutus numbers will improve, but not so much because he has improved, but due to more opportunities. Tutu has produced when used. He doesn't offer much in blocking, but has good hands, tracks the ball well and even draws flags frequently.

This is correct. I've posted the stats before showing that over the last 2 years on games started, Tutu has outproduced Kupp in nearly every metric on a per game basis.

 

[dieterbrock]

This is correct. I've posted the stats before showing that over the last 2 years on games started, Tutu has outproduced Kupp in nearly every metric on a per game basis.

So Kupp only outproduced him in the "meaningless" metrics like receptions, yards and touchdowns

 

[cavay]

View: https://x.com/OzzyNFL/status/1920616994283360608

Yes, for a french fan, it's the easiest way to see the Rams play.

 

[Tano]

Yes, for a french fan, it's the easiest way to see the Rams play.

What? It's only a 7 hour flight to the east coast.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

This is correct. I've posted the stats before showing that over the last 2 years on games started, Tutu has outproduced Kupp in nearly every metric on a per game basis.

What? You proved that Tutu is better than Kupp?

 

[Allen2McVay]

So Kupp only outproduced him in the "meaningless" metrics like receptions, yards and touchdowns

Exactly

 

[Merlin]

Yes, for a french fan, it's the easiest way to see the Rams play.

Oui oui.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

This is correct. I've posted the stats before showing that over the last 2 years on games started, Tutu has outproduced Kupp in nearly every metric on a per game basis.

Seriously can you repost those stats? I was just looking at stat comparisons on Football reference and aside from yards per catch, Kupp is better in every aspect.

And…. YPC advantage should be higher for a deep threat when compared to a receiver that catches a lot of passes close to the LOS. Even then it’s not a big difference 13.6 to 12.3.

 

[dieterbrock]

Seriously can you rrr we post those stats? I was just looking at stat comparisons on Football reference and aside from yards per catch, Kupp is better in every aspect.

And…. YPC advantage should be higher for a deep threat when compared to a receiver that catches a lot of passes close to the LOS. Even then it’s not a big difference 13.6 to 12.3.

It's the "advanced metrics"
Cleanest jersey
Least amount of sweat produced
Most cups of coffee delivered during game

 

[OldSchool]

It's the "advanced metrics"
Cleanest jersey
Least amount of sweat produced
Most cups of coffee delivered during game

Clogged up the sani hut the most

 

[DzRams]

What? You proved that Tutu is better than Kupp?

No. I wasn't trying to prove something so silly. Was just showing that Tutu has produced when given the opportunity and the Rams have recognized that so it's not so much improvement that he needs but to continue doing the same thing with increased reps.

 

[DzRams]

Seriously can you repost those stats? I was just looking at stat comparisons on Football reference and aside from yards per catch, Kupp is better in every aspect.

And…. YPC advantage should be higher for a deep threat when compared to a receiver that catches a lot of passes close to the LOS. Even then it’s not a big difference 13.6 to 12.3.

I had a fuzzy memory on this....now I feel old. Apparently I previously only looked at yards/game.

Also, I'm talking about the 9 games that Tutu started in which Kupp didn't play over the last 2 seasons. In those games, Atwell got many of the snaps in the slot essentially replacing Kupp there in playing close to the LOS.

I calculated other numbers to compare and they're very close but I was wrong with my assertion that Tutu's numbers were better.

Here are the numbers:

Yards/game: Tutu: 65.67; Kupp: 60.29

Rec/game: Tutu: 5.22; Kupp: 5.25

TDs/game: Tutu: .11; Kupp: .46

Tar/game: Tutu: 8.11; Kupp: 8.125

Catch %: Tutu: 64.4%; Kupp: 64.6%

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

No. I wasn't trying to prove something so silly. Was just showing that Tutu has produced when given the opportunity and the Rams have recognized that so it's not so much improvement that he needs but to continue doing the same thing with increased reps.

Due to difference in sizes there will always be certain things a guy like Kupp can do better than Tutu.

I think the whole ‘PFF blocking grade’ claim is debunked just by watching both in any random game you choose. Also physicality in the passing game whee ed n it comes to fighting off press coverage, contested catches and mesh points. Tutu will never be able to reach Kupp’s level of efficiency in those parts of the game, and they are very important parts. Tutu fits a specific niche. It will always limit his utility.

 

[jrry32]

I kind of want the Rams to kick the tires on Nick Chubb if they can get him cheap. He might be cooked after his injury, but I'd be curious to see if he comes back stronger this year.

 

[IkeBruciest]

Don't get the Tutu hate. He's exciting, fast, a great route runner, great hands, and a hard worker. He's the only receiver that keeps the defense from creeping up on us and his presence opens up the whole offense. He can't help his lack of height or the odd Creed Humphrey four year obsession boners. I mean the 2021 draft was very weak. Awful actually. Wide receivers Kardarius Toney, Rashad Bateman, Elijah Moore, Rondale Moore, and D'Wayne Eskridge were all drafted ahead of him and haven't done squat. To me, he was an outstanding pick for a late 2nd rounder in an absolutely shitty draft and now is one of the best $10 million non rookie salary WR in the league. The obsession over maybe the only person in that whole draft that was drafted after him with more success is a little over the top after 4 years. Humphrey wasn't even the next center drafted. Talent was very limited in that draft. Almost every team except the Chiefs failed with their picks after Tutu. Very few choices available when Tutu was picked are even still in the NFL.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I kind of want the Rams to kick the tires on Nick Chubb if they can get him cheap. He might be cooked after his injury, but I'd be curious to see if he comes back stronger this year.

I mentioned that awhile back as well. Would be interesting to see if he has anything left. Wouldn't hurt.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Don't get the Tutu hate. He's exciting, fast, a great route runner, great hands, and a hard worker. He's the only receiver that keeps the defense from creeping up on us and his presence opens up the whole offense. He can't help his lack of height or the odd Creed Humphrey four year obsession boners. I mean the 2021 draft was very weak. Awful actually. Wide receivers Kardarius Toney, Rashad Bateman, Elijah Moore, Rondale Moore, and D'Wayne Eskridge were all drafted ahead of him and haven't done squat. To me, he was an outstanding pick for a late 2nd rounder in an absolutely shitty draft and now is one of the best $10 million non rookie salary WR in the league. The obsession over maybe the only person in that whole draft that was drafted after him with more success is a little over the top after 4 years. Humphrey wasn't even the next center drafted. Talent was very limited in that draft. Almost every team except the Chiefs failed with their picks after Tutu. Very few choices available when Tutu was picked are even still in the NFL.

It’s not hate. Nobody has a personal vendetta against Atwell. If he plays great for a full season then that will be wonderful, exciting! Everyone will love him and sing his praises. The problem is people claiming that McVay didn’t realize how good he was until now, or that he’s been underutilized as if McVay forgot how to coach offense. It’s absurd. Atwell hasn’t proven that he’s even a regular starter. Tutu has been in the league for four seasons. If he was as good as some people claim then at minimum he would have been the number three receiver.

This is just like a few people that used to say Brian Allen or Joe Noteboom were very good. They weren’t. For some strange reason some fans latch onto underdogs and try to build them up to be more than what they are.

Sing Tutu’s praises after he’s proven to be all that you hope he is, not before. I’ll gladly eat crow on Atwell’s ability if he shows he can produce more than in spot starts or against certain teams. Until then, it’s just speculation and projection being passed off as fact.

 

[IkeBruciest]

It’s not hate. Nobody has a personal vendetta against Atwell. If he plays great for a full season then that will be wonderful, exciting! Everyone will love him and sing his praises. The problem is people claiming that McVay didn’t realize how good he was until now, or that he’s been underutilized as if McVay forgot how to coach offense. It’s absurd. Atwell hasn’t proven that he’s even a regular starter. Tutu has been in the league for four seasons. If he was as good as some people claim then at minimum he would have been the number three receiver.

This is just like a few people that used to say Brian Allen or Joe Noteboom were very good. They weren’t. For some strange reason some fans latch onto underdogs and try to build them up to be more than what they are.

Sing Tutu’s praises after he’s proven to be all that you hope he is, not before. I’ll gladly eat crow on Atwell’s ability if he shows he can produce more than in spot starts or against certain teams. Until then, it’s just speculation and projection being passed off as fact.