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Elmgrovegnome

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Any guy who can't stay off the trainer table needs to be moved a bit further down the board than they have been doing of late. Because we are starting to collect those types and it is affecting the bottom line when they're of course not available to move into key roles in the season.

I would rather hit on a solid type who can perform a role for us day one than a pie in the sky upside type who represents a lottery ticket.

Also these long development types are irritating as fuck. Quit with that. Just stop it. Lift your standards a bit in that draft room and a strong draft is very possible for us IMO. Because I don't think our scouts or draft room are bad or anything. They've just been living a bit too far out on that edge and need to reel shit in.
I don’t know why anyone would jump in a pool over a raw fourth round pick chosen predominantly on physical traits.

Taking Rochelle that early hoping/thinking that they can coach him up was a bit presumptive. Now if they could merge Rochelle’s body to Fuller’s brain they might have something.
 

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Yes and no. If it’s for judging talent I’d say no. Stafford and Ramsey were proven players. It took no skill to evaluate them.

Yes, but the draft capital was used to get them… as offset to the quality of picks made with what remained.
 

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Yes, but the draft capital was used to get them… as offset to the quality of picks made with what remained.
Teams can get good players in rounds other than the first one. It’s still not a great track record if you only include round two and beyond
 

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Teams can get good players in rounds other than the first one. It’s still not a great track record if you only include round two and beyond

True but that's why we're arguing that it needs to be weighted, hitting on picks across all teams goes down as rounds increase. What might be a better metric is how did the Rams success rate in those rounds and those drafts compare to the league average.

My guess is that if you do that, they probably are fairly average compared to the field at large. We would want them to be above average and if you take the trades - not as one to one to a draft pick - but weight them, you get a very above average talent acquisition grade for that time frame.

I wouldn't argue it's stellar though cause you give up cheap rookie contracts too with those trades.
 

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True but that's why we're arguing that it needs to be weighted, hitting on picks across all teams goes down as rounds increase. What might be a better metric is how did the Rams success rate in those rounds and those drafts compare to the league average.

My guess is that if you do that, they probably are fairly average compared to the field at large. We would want them to be above average and if you take the trades - not as one to one to a draft pick - but weight them, you get a very above average talent acquisition grade for that time frame.

I wouldn't argue it's stellar though cause you give up cheap rookie contracts too with those trades.
Here's something that seems interesting


Metrics Utilized​

Metric #1: Snap counts, and the Snap Index​

Why is this important? Every team has to fill a large number of snaps for the 22 positions on the field at all times. The more of these snaps that can be filled by cheaper rookie contracts, the more cap dollars that can be allocated to superstar veterans.

How is this being measured? The first step starts with each individual player. The fractions of the snaps on his side (offense, defense, or special teams) that he played in his first four accrued seasons for the team that first acquired his services (either by drafting him or signing him as a UDFA) are summed together. This sum produces a Snap Index for the player, in a range with a minimum of 0 (no snaps contributed) and a maximum of 4 (100% of the snaps contributed each season). As an example, in Von Miller’s first four accrued seasons with the Broncos, his snap count percentages on defense were 79.8%, 89.9%, 47.8%, and 84.3%. The sum of .798, .899, .478, and .843 equals a Snap Index of 3.018.

The second step involves summing up the Snap Indices of all players acquired in the same rookie class (both drafted players and UDFAs) to create a Snap Index for the rookie class as a whole. This Snap Index can then be compared to other rookie classes to see which teams got the most out of the players they secured in the rookie acquisition process. A third step can also involve summing up the rookie class Snap Indices for an entire team or a specific GM or front office to get a broader look as to how that group is doing in this regard.

Note that snap counts are only added from years in which a player accrued a season. As an example, even though Josh Gordon played 22.1% of the offensive snaps for the Browns in 2014, because he failed to accrue a season that year due to multiple suspensions, those snaps are disregarded in this equation. This occurrence is most common with players that are briefly activated off the practice squad for a few games, but not enough to meet the minimum number of six games on the active roster that’s required to accrue a season.

Snap Indices​

Each player is assigned a snap index by adding the portion of snaps he parcipitated in for his original team during his first four accrued seasons, lying in a range between 0 and 4. The rookie class snap index is then calculated by summing up all the players' snap indices that belonged to the rookie class in question.

Team201120122013201420152016201720182019202020212022Total ▾
Jaguars8.0686.57014.65621.48310.69211.0529.8979.00110.7359.7976.0372.775120.763
Ravens9.3359.6719.80211.8107.59217.5128.77216.2258.50310.0363.5642.834115.656
Rams7.75319.41611.98612.77112.4809.92211.9215.54013.5435.9073.0951.033115.367
Cowboys11.09410.02912.2209.41410.25315.75310.20211.3685.63510.7434.5692.901114.181
Broncos16.82210.4924.48712.3817.70211.6037.16414.03011.3379.5245.9492.122113.613
Browns15.67216.3472.43111.3337.90114.18110.07111.9286.2479.8074.1772.651112.746
Packers6.2198.02313.56114.7407.34715.7177.79211.15411.0516.3115.1593.284110.358
Vikings8.54915.15510.9918.42915.2325.9739.8798.49310.03412.7342.9411.861110.271
Seahawks15.45918.3954.6548.6907.03012.7469.51310.7178.8548.0691.1414.521109.789
Bengals10.40417.2576.40011.3156.86012.9829.4539.9598.7019.3164.2702.381109.298
Falcons7.0065.06818.38110.8068.33715.7515.01411.18610.2926.9577.1993.163109.16
Chargers9.3737.74410.3696.89210.2839.87520.4519.6339.4467.2835.2882.365109.002
Dolphins9.28913.2237.4568.95511.8587.7977.68510.67610.80211.6096.7541.324107.428
Buccaneers7.11611.3258.2969.19716.8349.1507.12612.61512.4897.1011.7722.854105.875
Raiders7.5795.5099.89120.1527.0027.7666.14310.89319.4283.7974.8682.169105.197
Commodes10.8709.0678.03611.43511.9366.22111.6078.04611.7847.1626.5101.522104.196
Texans10.86414.1588.77112.14510.69411.2009.8187.3847.9462.7204.0374.328104.065
49ers12.0242.14810.01410.2109.3886.27714.92915.31411.9285.1874.7191.681103.819
Titans9.8879.4298.3559.7438.97013.22911.3237.70911.6506.3522.8723.629103.148
Bears6.4275.6618.79811.24910.89513.1809.98811.5476.4539.5254.2074.620102.55
Colts4.57012.2264.6048.3386.24110.72213.08716.3979.9877.8593.4292.581100.041
Giants7.6497.1496.93810.8939.78910.1337.65211.17213.6148.8642.0713.74899.672
Lions3.0896.13315.5919.8186.26411.9437.1749.28511.6877.5378.2422.72699.489
Bills9.1859.9179.8828.4345.4594.35412.54716.39110.4417.1534.0701.41699.249
Panthers8.77111.1288.61114.4016.8576.5439.33111.2884.47710.1826.2471.30199.137
Chiefs7.6927.3468.48814.41112.2068.3015.8205.8458.9277.9376.3003.24096.513
Saints6.7215.04211.2075.0349.00312.86315.8834.8989.5619.2522.9421.63894.044
Patriots6.8218.22712.1607.30113.7469.3483.9838.0379.4268.1363.5612.09792.843
Eagles8.20611.6339.5536.3385.67711.3708.7138.5547.2377.4426.5490.76392.035
Steelers6.9398.9978.5587.7868.3296.9628.9399.3337.7466.6156.9872.10389.294
Jets7.0858.84610.1165.8164.73312.7097.6847.1876.1817.3236.9572.83187.468
Cardinals7.9547.35112.4049.0078.6361.8867.5628.31213.2755.6343.5061.45586.982
Average8.8909.9599.61510.6489.25710.4699.59810.3169.9827.9334.6872.497
Median8.1379.2489.67810.0148.80310.8879.39210.31810.0117.6984.4202.481
 

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Any guy who can't stay off the trainer table needs to be moved a bit further down the board than they have been doing of late. Because we are starting to collect those types and it is affecting the bottom line when they're of course not available to move into key roles in the season.

I would rather hit on a solid type who can perform a role for us day one than a pie in the sky upside type who represents a lottery ticket.

Also these long development types are irritating as fuck. Quit with that. Just stop it. Lift your standards a bit in that draft room and a strong draft is very possible for us IMO. Because I don't think our scouts or draft room are bad or anything. They've just been living a bit too far out on that edge and need to reel shit in.
Admire the passion on this one and agree 1000%! Good shit!
 

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I don’t know why anyone would jump in a pool over a raw fourth round pick chosen predominantly on physical traits.
I think the goal there was trying to add a strong run blocker next to another strong run blocker in Hav. To allow for some consistent push in the run game. The guy had good tape of him moving DL but the lesson is you gotta be able to pass pro too.

So it wasn't a bad idea and there is still room for it to pay off. And re: the pool I am sure there was alcohol involved. :laugh2:
 

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Here's something that seems interesting


Metrics Utilized​

Metric #1: Snap counts, and the Snap Index​

Why is this important? Every team has to fill a large number of snaps for the 22 positions on the field at all times. The more of these snaps that can be filled by cheaper rookie contracts, the more cap dollars that can be allocated to superstar veterans.

How is this being measured? The first step starts with each individual player. The fractions of the snaps on his side (offense, defense, or special teams) that he played in his first four accrued seasons for the team that first acquired his services (either by drafting him or signing him as a UDFA) are summed together. This sum produces a Snap Index for the player, in a range with a minimum of 0 (no snaps contributed) and a maximum of 4 (100% of the snaps contributed each season). As an example, in Von Miller’s first four accrued seasons with the Broncos, his snap count percentages on defense were 79.8%, 89.9%, 47.8%, and 84.3%. The sum of .798, .899, .478, and .843 equals a Snap Index of 3.018.

The second step involves summing up the Snap Indices of all players acquired in the same rookie class (both drafted players and UDFAs) to create a Snap Index for the rookie class as a whole. This Snap Index can then be compared to other rookie classes to see which teams got the most out of the players they secured in the rookie acquisition process. A third step can also involve summing up the rookie class Snap Indices for an entire team or a specific GM or front office to get a broader look as to how that group is doing in this regard.

Note that snap counts are only added from years in which a player accrued a season. As an example, even though Josh Gordon played 22.1% of the offensive snaps for the Browns in 2014, because he failed to accrue a season that year due to multiple suspensions, those snaps are disregarded in this equation. This occurrence is most common with players that are briefly activated off the practice squad for a few games, but not enough to meet the minimum number of six games on the active roster that’s required to accrue a season.

Snap Indices​

Each player is assigned a snap index by adding the portion of snaps he parcipitated in for his original team during his first four accrued seasons, lying in a range between 0 and 4. The rookie class snap index is then calculated by summing up all the players' snap indices that belonged to the rookie class in question.

Team201120122013201420152016201720182019202020212022Total ▾
Jaguars8.0686.57014.65621.48310.69211.0529.8979.00110.7359.7976.0372.775120.763
Ravens9.3359.6719.80211.8107.59217.5128.77216.2258.50310.0363.5642.834115.656
Rams7.75319.41611.98612.77112.4809.92211.9215.54013.5435.9073.0951.033115.367
Cowboys11.09410.02912.2209.41410.25315.75310.20211.3685.63510.7434.5692.901114.181
Broncos16.82210.4924.48712.3817.70211.6037.16414.03011.3379.5245.9492.122113.613
Browns15.67216.3472.43111.3337.90114.18110.07111.9286.2479.8074.1772.651112.746
Packers6.2198.02313.56114.7407.34715.7177.79211.15411.0516.3115.1593.284110.358
Vikings8.54915.15510.9918.42915.2325.9739.8798.49310.03412.7342.9411.861110.271
Seahawks15.45918.3954.6548.6907.03012.7469.51310.7178.8548.0691.1414.521109.789
Bengals10.40417.2576.40011.3156.86012.9829.4539.9598.7019.3164.2702.381109.298
Falcons7.0065.06818.38110.8068.33715.7515.01411.18610.2926.9577.1993.163109.16
Chargers9.3737.74410.3696.89210.2839.87520.4519.6339.4467.2835.2882.365109.002
Dolphins9.28913.2237.4568.95511.8587.7977.68510.67610.80211.6096.7541.324107.428
Buccaneers7.11611.3258.2969.19716.8349.1507.12612.61512.4897.1011.7722.854105.875
Raiders7.5795.5099.89120.1527.0027.7666.14310.89319.4283.7974.8682.169105.197
Commodes10.8709.0678.03611.43511.9366.22111.6078.04611.7847.1626.5101.522104.196
Texans10.86414.1588.77112.14510.69411.2009.8187.3847.9462.7204.0374.328104.065
49ers12.0242.14810.01410.2109.3886.27714.92915.31411.9285.1874.7191.681103.819
Titans9.8879.4298.3559.7438.97013.22911.3237.70911.6506.3522.8723.629103.148
Bears6.4275.6618.79811.24910.89513.1809.98811.5476.4539.5254.2074.620102.55
Colts4.57012.2264.6048.3386.24110.72213.08716.3979.9877.8593.4292.581100.041
Giants7.6497.1496.93810.8939.78910.1337.65211.17213.6148.8642.0713.74899.672
Lions3.0896.13315.5919.8186.26411.9437.1749.28511.6877.5378.2422.72699.489
Bills9.1859.9179.8828.4345.4594.35412.54716.39110.4417.1534.0701.41699.249
Panthers8.77111.1288.61114.4016.8576.5439.33111.2884.47710.1826.2471.30199.137
Chiefs7.6927.3468.48814.41112.2068.3015.8205.8458.9277.9376.3003.24096.513
Saints6.7215.04211.2075.0349.00312.86315.8834.8989.5619.2522.9421.63894.044
Patriots6.8218.22712.1607.30113.7469.3483.9838.0379.4268.1363.5612.09792.843
Eagles8.20611.6339.5536.3385.67711.3708.7138.5547.2377.4426.5490.76392.035
Steelers6.9398.9978.5587.7868.3296.9628.9399.3337.7466.6156.9872.10389.294
Jets7.0858.84610.1165.8164.73312.7097.6847.1876.1817.3236.9572.83187.468
Cardinals7.9547.35112.4049.0078.6361.8867.5628.31213.2755.6343.5061.45586.982
Average8.8909.9599.61510.6489.25710.4699.59810.3169.9827.9334.6872.497
Median8.1379.2489.67810.0148.80310.8879.39210.31810.0117.6984.4202.481
That's some cool data to dig into!
 

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Imagining Schmitz being installed as Center, and maybe Bruss being able to find his own ass out there in year two, we could potentially be treated to an actual run surge on that right side. Don't think Center is the way they go in round 2 but if they do I'm not gonna complain.
 

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Here's something that seems interesting


Metrics Utilized​

Metric #1: Snap counts, and the Snap Index​

Why is this important? Every team has to fill a large number of snaps for the 22 positions on the field at all times. The more of these snaps that can be filled by cheaper rookie contracts, the more cap dollars that can be allocated to superstar veterans.

How is this being measured? The first step starts with each individual player. The fractions of the snaps on his side (offense, defense, or special teams) that he played in his first four accrued seasons for the team that first acquired his services (either by drafting him or signing him as a UDFA) are summed together. This sum produces a Snap Index for the player, in a range with a minimum of 0 (no snaps contributed) and a maximum of 4 (100% of the snaps contributed each season). As an example, in Von Miller’s first four accrued seasons with the Broncos, his snap count percentages on defense were 79.8%, 89.9%, 47.8%, and 84.3%. The sum of .798, .899, .478, and .843 equals a Snap Index of 3.018.

The second step involves summing up the Snap Indices of all players acquired in the same rookie class (both drafted players and UDFAs) to create a Snap Index for the rookie class as a whole. This Snap Index can then be compared to other rookie classes to see which teams got the most out of the players they secured in the rookie acquisition process. A third step can also involve summing up the rookie class Snap Indices for an entire team or a specific GM or front office to get a broader look as to how that group is doing in this regard.

Note that snap counts are only added from years in which a player accrued a season. As an example, even though Josh Gordon played 22.1% of the offensive snaps for the Browns in 2014, because he failed to accrue a season that year due to multiple suspensions, those snaps are disregarded in this equation. This occurrence is most common with players that are briefly activated off the practice squad for a few games, but not enough to meet the minimum number of six games on the active roster that’s required to accrue a season.

Snap Indices​

Each player is assigned a snap index by adding the portion of snaps he parcipitated in for his original team during his first four accrued seasons, lying in a range between 0 and 4. The rookie class snap index is then calculated by summing up all the players' snap indices that belonged to the rookie class in question.

Team201120122013201420152016201720182019202020212022Total ▾
Jaguars8.0686.57014.65621.48310.69211.0529.8979.00110.7359.7976.0372.775120.763
Ravens9.3359.6719.80211.8107.59217.5128.77216.2258.50310.0363.5642.834115.656
Rams7.75319.41611.98612.77112.4809.92211.9215.54013.5435.9073.0951.033115.367
Cowboys11.09410.02912.2209.41410.25315.75310.20211.3685.63510.7434.5692.901114.181
Broncos16.82210.4924.48712.3817.70211.6037.16414.03011.3379.5245.9492.122113.613
Browns15.67216.3472.43111.3337.90114.18110.07111.9286.2479.8074.1772.651112.746
Packers6.2198.02313.56114.7407.34715.7177.79211.15411.0516.3115.1593.284110.358
Vikings8.54915.15510.9918.42915.2325.9739.8798.49310.03412.7342.9411.861110.271
Seahawks15.45918.3954.6548.6907.03012.7469.51310.7178.8548.0691.1414.521109.789
Bengals10.40417.2576.40011.3156.86012.9829.4539.9598.7019.3164.2702.381109.298
Falcons7.0065.06818.38110.8068.33715.7515.01411.18610.2926.9577.1993.163109.16
Chargers9.3737.74410.3696.89210.2839.87520.4519.6339.4467.2835.2882.365109.002
Dolphins9.28913.2237.4568.95511.8587.7977.68510.67610.80211.6096.7541.324107.428
Buccaneers7.11611.3258.2969.19716.8349.1507.12612.61512.4897.1011.7722.854105.875
Raiders7.5795.5099.89120.1527.0027.7666.14310.89319.4283.7974.8682.169105.197
Commodes10.8709.0678.03611.43511.9366.22111.6078.04611.7847.1626.5101.522104.196
Texans10.86414.1588.77112.14510.69411.2009.8187.3847.9462.7204.0374.328104.065
49ers12.0242.14810.01410.2109.3886.27714.92915.31411.9285.1874.7191.681103.819
Titans9.8879.4298.3559.7438.97013.22911.3237.70911.6506.3522.8723.629103.148
Bears6.4275.6618.79811.24910.89513.1809.98811.5476.4539.5254.2074.620102.55
Colts4.57012.2264.6048.3386.24110.72213.08716.3979.9877.8593.4292.581100.041
Giants7.6497.1496.93810.8939.78910.1337.65211.17213.6148.8642.0713.74899.672
Lions3.0896.13315.5919.8186.26411.9437.1749.28511.6877.5378.2422.72699.489
Bills9.1859.9179.8828.4345.4594.35412.54716.39110.4417.1534.0701.41699.249
Panthers8.77111.1288.61114.4016.8576.5439.33111.2884.47710.1826.2471.30199.137
Chiefs7.6927.3468.48814.41112.2068.3015.8205.8458.9277.9376.3003.24096.513
Saints6.7215.04211.2075.0349.00312.86315.8834.8989.5619.2522.9421.63894.044
Patriots6.8218.22712.1607.30113.7469.3483.9838.0379.4268.1363.5612.09792.843
Eagles8.20611.6339.5536.3385.67711.3708.7138.5547.2377.4426.5490.76392.035
Steelers6.9398.9978.5587.7868.3296.9628.9399.3337.7466.6156.9872.10389.294
Jets7.0858.84610.1165.8164.73312.7097.6847.1876.1817.3236.9572.83187.468
Cardinals7.9547.35112.4049.0078.6361.8867.5628.31213.2755.6343.5061.45586.982
Average8.8909.9599.61510.6489.25710.4699.59810.3169.9827.9334.6872.497
Median8.1379.2489.67810.0148.80310.8879.39210.31810.0117.6984.4202.481
Oof... the last three seasons. So far, anyway.
 

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For me.. Edge before anything else in this draft and it's not close.

With our corners.. I can only hope and pray that a light comes on for Rochell. There were draft previews that said he was very raw and it would take him a couple of years. Maybe.... maybe.. in year 3, he starts to show those incredible physical traits aren't going to waste.
 

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I hear you!!! They should be able to get a stud at #36. Either Edge, TE, CB or C. I think they have their #77 reserved for a RB. So get the stud and then the next best stud at one of those other positions. Take the RB at #77 and then we can relax. Can't wait to see how it all unfolds. 3 more weeks (from tomorrow).
Why are some of you so damn concerned about getting a 3rd down RB early. We NEED 2 NFL caliber Guards and 2 NFL caliber edge pieces and at least1 more CB before another RB. We have 2 centers under contract so that can wait until next year. What we DON'T have are 2 guards at this moment. Noteboom failed miserably as guard and Bruss wasn't even with the 2nd team last year when he went down. Who the hell is on the edge, Hoecht? C'mon, we also need another ILB to play alongside Jones, one who isn't already on the roster. Grab a RB in the 6th and I'm fine with that, outside of Robinson there is not enough of difference with the rest of them. And no, don't give me no BS about Gibbs, seen almost all is games, not that special even if we had a 1st rounder and I wouldn't touch him in the 3rd with the holes on this roster.
 

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For me.. Edge before anything else in this draft and it's not close.

With our corners.. I can only hope and pray that a light comes on for Rochell. There were draft previews that said he was very raw and it would take him a couple of years. Maybe.... maybe.. in year 3, he starts to show those incredible physical traits aren't going to waste.
What I'm wondering is, if he was indeed healthy, why wasn't he given much of a chance to play last year? Could he really have performed worse then Kendricks? He showed a lot of promise in the previous year, then started off injured last year and never gained any footing. Wonder if there was a nagging injury of some sort? Its just difficult for me to believe he was that much worse then some of the guys we trotted out there. The stats I'm pulling up for Rochell show 1 tackle and 1 target, meaning almost no snaps at all last season, even on special teams.
 

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I think the goal there was trying to add a strong run blocker next to another strong run blocker in Hav. To allow for some consistent push in the run game. The guy had good tape of him moving DL but the lesson is you gotta be able to pass pro too.

So it wasn't a bad idea and there is still room for it to pay off. And re: the pool I am sure there was alcohol involved. :laugh2:

One of the underrated aspects of our 2021 Superbowl season was the increased usage of not just Sony Michel in the running game but bringing in Noteboom as a third tackle on some run plays. I don't know that you want to be brining in a third tackle all the time but getting another strong blocker who could at least threaten to run a route isn't a horrible idea.
 

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Imagining Schmitz being installed as Center, and maybe Bruss being able to find his own ass out there in year two, we could potentially be treated to an actual run surge on that right side. Don't think Center is the way they go in round 2 but if they do I'm not gonna complain.
I keep seeing in mocks Schmitz fall further and further and sometimes even to or past our pick in the 3rd. While I doubt there is much truth to this, it has me thinking of the value in trading down a bit to recoup perhaps a 4th and still nabbing the best center in the draft. There is no doubt he would improve our line and allow us to get more draft capital. But yes, I'm very concerned with the current edge group also, so if someone like McDonald, Kancey, or Abe was there, I'd probably just nab them.
 

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One of the underrated aspects of our 2021 Superbowl season was the increased usage of not just Sony Michel in the running game but bringing in Noteboom as a third tackle on some run plays. I don't know that you want to be brining in a third tackle all the time but getting another strong blocker who could at least threaten to run a route isn't a horrible idea.
Its one of the reasons I'm warming a bit to the idea of Washington. I just am afraid he won't develop into a great receiving threat.
 

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Why are some of you so damn concerned about getting a 3rd down RB early. We NEED 2 NFL caliber Guards and 2 NFL caliber edge pieces and at least1 more CB before another RB. We have 2 centers under contract so that can wait until next year. What we DON'T have are 2 guards at this moment. Noteboom failed miserably as guard and Bruss wasn't even with the 2nd team last year when he went down. Who the hell is on the edge, Hoecht? C'mon, we also need another ILB to play alongside Jones, one who isn't already on the roster. Grab a RB in the 6th and I'm fine with that, outside of Robinson there is not enough of difference with the rest of them. And no, don't give me no BS about Gibbs, seen almost all is games, not that special even if we had a 1st rounder and I wouldn't touch him in the 3rd with the holes on this roster.
3rd down RB? I want a stud RB. Kyren Williams is our 3rd down, change of pace, give the #1 a blow RB.. I hope for a fast, on the bigger side RB. Akers is decent but not greaf and is prolly gone after this year ((UFA). He' has already missed a season. What if he goes down again?

Do you honestly think we need TWO OG's? My bet is they believe they have 3 on the roster. A center who can play G would be perfect.

My bet is they get Edge, CB, TE, C and RB with the first 5 picks. I'd prefer a RB in the 3rd but they'll prolly wait till the 5th.

And it's not what WE.....anybody on this or any other board.......want.....it's what McVay and Snead want. I'm just guessing like everybody else.
 

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it has me thinking of the value in trading down a bit to recoup perhaps a 4th and still nabbing the best center in the draft.
That would not surprise me. Does seem like a good chance we'll trade down and he's a need. I'd be quite happy with that approach too, because he's a Center who looks like he steps in day one and starts for us which would not be the case with the LT project types or if we wait and take a pipeline type for the OL later.