49'ers 2022/23 San Francisco 49’ers Thread

[dpjax]

Just another in the long list of problems that are adding up for our favorite team!

 

[GroundPounder]

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Quietly, the 49ers replaced quarterback coach Rich Scangarello this offseason with former NFL quarterback Brian Griese, who never has coached in his life. Now, Scangarello is the offensive coordinator at the University of Kentucky.

Why did the 49ers make the switch? Scangarello went on a podcast with Greg Cosell this offseason and explained how he evaluates draft-eligible quarterbacks. Here's what Scangerallo said. Tell me if he sounds like someone who wanted to coach Trey Lance:

Q: What properties in a college quarterback are teams looking for in the NFL?

SCANGARELLO: "Bottom line is do they have the toughness to stand in the pocket when they're getting hit and deliver when it matters most? If you cannot do that, and you cannot show me that on your college tape, I find it very difficult for you to be a top-tier quarterback in the NFL. I would say that's where most people in the evaluation process run into problems when they don't really take that one trait, in a contested pocket, how a quarterback plays a game in college football, and really evaluates those moments in a guy's career."

Q: In college football, there are lots of quarterbacks who don't work out of muddy, noisy pockets very often. You and I talked about Trevor Lawrence last summer, and in going through all of his tape, there were just 34 plays in which he actually worked through a muddy, noise pocket, and that's obviously not a large sample size to make a judgement about his ability to do that at the NFL level.

SCANGARELLO: "If you evaluate someone how they throw on air, or if they're in a system in college where the coach is telling them where to throw the ball before the snap and they know a small amount of plays, what's good against certain coverages, those things don't really mean anything to me in the evaluation process. If you're watching a (Pro Day) workout that a guy has been through 20 times and his coach has taught him the routine and you think that is going to determine his value in this league, I think you're going to miss a lot of the time. That's not real football. And these kids have been doing it since they were 15-years old and know how to master those things. There are no variables -- they're just throwing on air. You show me a guy, all his clips throughout his career, where they take it in the chin and not turn it down and make good decisions, or when the pocket is pushed on them -- that's the league. That's what it takes in the NFL. If you can't do that, you're not going to get that overnight in the NFL, and that's always going to be where you miss on a guy. If you can't see that in a player and there's not a lot of it on tape -- let's say Trevor (Lawrence) for example, and there have been other guys, Dwayne Haskins comes to mind, I think he was touched like 18 times in his senior year. It was ridiculous how few times he was in a contested pocket. If you're going to overlook those things, then you're going to have a huge margin for error with a miss on a guy."

Q: How do you evaluate quarterbacks who went to smaller schools such as Josh Allen and Trey Lance?

SCANGARELLO: "One of my favorite things about quarterbacks historically, the mid-major to smaller Power 5 schools -- those over the history of time have been some of the best players in this league. And when you can take a quarterback who's a multi-year starter at a mid-major for example, and he can take them a level that they've never season -- let's say they're an average program, and then all of a sudden for two years they're winning conference titles or competing for it -- that tells me that quarterback has the ability to raise the level of everyone around him. For Josh Allen at Wyoming, the two years he was there, they won more games than probably ever in the history of that program. They had never had eight-win seasons. I think they'd had one or two in the whole history of the program. That tells me the guy is a winner and he has the ability to elevate the people around him. Those things are important to me."

Q: What other quarterback traits are non-negotiables for you?

SCANGARELLO: "If you have any aspirations of playing a guy Year 1, he better have been a multi-year starter in college. To me, the experiences and taking the snaps and what you do when you're in charge and banking those reps are so important. You come out, you're a one-year guy, it's very difficult for you to just jump in and play in the league. You just haven't played enough football to hone your craft. So I'm always looking for guys who have a lot of starts. Do they take care of the football in those moments when it could go sideways, or do they create positive plays? Do they make smart decisions in critical situations? How do they play in two-minute situations? There are guys I've evaluated in recent drafts where they're on such good teams at Ohio State or these other schools where maybe they don't even have a two-minute situation that really matters in their entire career. Give me a guy who has played a lot of one-score games and found a way to win, and show me in those situations how he is under duress."

Q: What do you think of Kenny Pickett?

SCANGARELLO: "You could throw him in the Mac Jones mold. He's a multi-year starter, he took Pitt to some real high-level play, he has been very good with the ball, he's tough, he's good under duress, he won big games in the clutch -- all those things bode well...What is the elite trait? Do you want a guy who throws it hard and 70 yards or a guy that runs really fast, or do you want a guy who throws with anticipation, on time, allows Y.A.C., processes, a natural leader, those qualities?"

Let's summarize what Scangerallo said he values:

1. A quarterback who faced heavy pressure in the pocket during college and wasn't a Pro Day wonder (i.e. not Lance. North Dakota State had terrific pass protection, and he had a phenomenal Pro Day).
2. A quarterback who elevated his program (i.e. not Lance. North Dakota State is the best program in the FCS. They compete for championships every year no matter who their quarterback is).
3. A quarterback who was a multi-year starter (i.e. not Lance. He started at North Dakota State in 2019, then played just one game in 2020 due to the pandemic, then he declared for the draft).
4. A quarterback who thrived in two-minute situations in college (i.e. not Lance. He famously had zero two-minute situations at North Dakota State).
5. A quarterback such as Mac Jones or Kenny Pickett (i.e. Not Lance).

It seems clear that when Scangarello talked about highly-drafted quarterbacks who fail, he was describing Lance. And if Scangarello truly believes Lance will be a bust, then the 49ers needed to get rid of Scangarello and replace him with someone who thinks Lance can be great.
It's too bad the 49ers wasted the first year of Lance's development under Scangarello's pessimistic watch.

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Also.....couldn't you substitute M. Jones for T. Lance in numbers 1-4?

 

[Memento]

This dude gets it.

He does, but I'd still kill to trade for Trevor Lawrence when Stafford retires. Keep the pipeline of talented-yet-poorly-utilized quarterbacks going.

 

[GroundPounder]

He does, but I'd still kill to trade for Trevor Lawrence when Stafford retires. Keep the pipeline of talented-yet-poorly-utilized quarterbacks going.

How about we draft and groom our own? I mean Snead and McVay are talent savants, correct?

 

[CGI_Ram]

Jimmy Garoppolo trade rumors: 49ers aiming to deal QB just before 2022 training camp, per report

The veteran starter is still recovering from shoulder surgery

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Jimmy Garoppolo trade rumors: 49ers aiming to deal QB just before 2022 training camp, per report​

Almost all of this year's big-name quarterback dominoes have fallen. Jimmy Garoppolo is not one of them. Despite publicly acknowledging he'd likely be traded soon after the end of the 2021 NFL season, the 49ers veteran remains on San Francisco's roster as he recovers from shoulder surgery. And the team doesn't expect to deal the QB until just before training camp, according to ESPN, aiming to shop Garoppolo (again) after he completes rehab sometime this summer.

"After losing to the Los Angeles Rams in the NFC Championship Game, the expectation was that the first big piece of business -- trading Garoppolo -- would happen quickly," Nick Wagoner wrote Monday. "That was before it was known Garoppolo needed right shoulder surgery, a procedure that wiped out his trade value and put his future in limbo.

"Garoppolo's shoulder is slated to get the all-clear in late June or early July," Wagoner continued, "at which point the Niners will again seek a trade partner. And though the Niners have said repeatedly they don't intend to release Garoppolo, it's still hard to imagine a scenario in which he's on the roster in Week 1, at least at his current $26.95 million cap number."

The 49ers have sent mixed signals regarding Garoppolo's future in recent months. On one hand, they've echoed the QB's expectations of playing elsewhere in 2022, indicating former No. 3 overall pick Trey Lance will require as many first-team reps as possible this offseason as the projected Week 1 starter. On the other, they've recycled comments about Garoppolo's value inside the organization from prior to the 2021 season, hinting they could still keep the veteran as proven insurance. The latter seems unlikely at Garoppolo's current price, as Wagoner alluded to, and even a potential pay cut wouldn't necessarily resolve that; Garoppolo notably skipped voluntary workouts to start the offseason, perhaps in part to enable Lance's takeover.

Regardless, Garoppolo's trade market remains limited. Most teams have already addressed QB vacancies. One of the few teams that could still be interested in the veteran as a 2022 starter is the Panthers, who spent a third-round pick on Mississippi's Matt Corral but otherwise have just Sam Darnold and P.J. Walker on their QB depth chart.

 

[Merlin]

Panthers are sitting on a stick of dynamite in Corral IMO. Problem is he won't help them year one and that coach is gonna have grill marks on his ass if he doesn't start fast.

 

[Memento]

How about we draft and groom our own? I mean Snead and McVay are talent savants, correct?

Nah, fuck them picks, remember?

 

[CGI_Ram]

Panthers are sitting on a stick of dynamite in Corral IMO. Problem is he won't help them year one and that coach is gonna have grill marks on his ass if he doesn't start fast.

Carolina does seem like a hot seat situation. I just don’t know, they are already paying Sam Darnold $19M.

$45M between 2 QB’s doesn’t = Patrick Mahomes

 

[Steve808]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRzlKcvNwBw


This is a thing of beauty and a great laugh. Enjoy!

 

[Steve808]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTR4ADcH6lU


This might be better!

 

[thirteen28]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTR4ADcH6lU


This might be better!

"We were close ..."
"Jimmy G why did you do that to us ... you blow it more times than Mia Khalifa ..."




View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM

 

[BonifayRam]

NFC West power rankings: Can 49ers overtake Rams to win division?​

NFC West power rankings: Can 49ers overtake Rams to win division?

If the 49ers get production from their quarterback, they should be able to make a serious run at the Rams in 2022.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[CGI_Ram]

Why Lynch believes Lance is ready to be 49ers' starting QB

49ers general manager John Lynch believes Trey Lance is ready to take over the starting quarterback role in 2022.

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Why Lynch believes Lance is ready to be 49ers' starting QB​

SANTA CLARA — John Lynch believes it is Trey Lance’s time. S

During his annual media availability ahead of the NFL draft, the 49ers general manager shared that the club’s starting role at quarterback has not been etched in stone but that the young play-caller is sufficiently prepared for his opportunity.

Lynch shot down rumors that Lance had been given the keys to the castle as the starting quarterback but did share that he likes what he has seen from Lance as the young quarterback heads into his second NFL season.

"All these reports, I don’t know where they all come from,” Lynch said. “We always believe in competition, but at the same time we are great believers in what Trey Lance brings to the table. We believe he is ready. He is going to have to show that. I think he’s ready to show that to us, show that to his teammates, and show that to the world.”

After missing the 2020 season at North Dakota State due to COVID-19 restrictions, Lance needed to knock a little rust off in his premier NFL year and sat behind Jimmy Garoppolo for much of the season.

Lance appeared in six games -- two as a starter. The 21-year-old completed 41 of 71 pass attempts for 603 yards and five touchdowns. He also recorded 38 carries for 168 rushing yards and an additional score on the ground.
Garoppolo remains on the roster following offseason shoulder surgery which prohibited the club from procuring a trade. Lynch reported that the veteran will not be able to throw until June, following mandatory minicamp. That means Lance is slated to take all of the first-team reps during the nine organized team activity practices on the field this spring.

“We’re excited for that opportunity that he has,” Lynch said.

 

[CGI_Ram]

NFC West power rankings: Can 49ers overtake Rams to win division?​

NFC West power rankings: Can 49ers overtake Rams to win division?

If the 49ers get production from their quarterback, they should be able to make a serious run at the Rams in 2022.

sports.yahoo.com

Biggest issue for the 49'ers... even if Lance isn't a flat out bust, he's basically a rookie this season.

I don't see a team QB'd by rookie Lance, beating out a team QB'd by Stafford.

 

[Loyal]

Biggest issue for the 49'ers... even if Lance isn't a flat out bust, he's basically a rookie this season.

I don't see a team QB'd by rookie Lance, beating out a team QB'd by Stafford.

I can only see misery and disfunction for the Niners, and I'm here for it!

 

[nighttrain]

I can only see misery and disfunction for the Niners, and I'm here for it!

I like!
train

 

[wolfdogg]

Just doing m' duty whenever there's a thread with "49" in the title.......wait for it......., extra doody

 

[CGI_Ram]

Chris Simms explains why 49ers are 'scared' of Trey Lance situation

Chris Simms believes the San Francisco 49ers are scared to formally name Trey Lance their starting quarterback

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Chris Simms explains why 49ers are ‘scared’ of Trey Lance situation​

Trey Lance has been viewed as a raw prospect since the San Francisco 49ers drafted him with the third overall pick last year. It is still difficult to get a read on whether the Niners plan to name him their starter next season, and Chris Simms has a theory on why the team has been hesitant.

The obvious reason is that the 49ers have yet to trade Jimmy Garoppolo. However, Simms feels they are “scared” to formally give Lance the job.

“Are they scared a little bit?” Simms said on Pro Football Talk Live this week, via SI.com’s Grant Cohn. “Of course they are.”

Simms pointed to the concerns he heard coming out of Niners training camp last year. He said most people who watched Lance practice were not impressed.

“Anybody you talk to who saw training camp last year, either that was part of the 49ers staff or when they went and worked with the Los Angeles Chargers and you hear people who witnessed those practices, there had to be concerns coming out of San Francisco early on in the year last year,” Simms said. “I know there was. There were too many people who were like, ‘Man, the ball is everywhere; man, he’s not ready yet.’ That’s got to scare them to a degree.”

For what it’s worth, Cohn attended training camp practices last year and disagreed with Simms. He shared some stats he charted and said he felt Garoppolo struggled more than Lance in practice.

Simms is probably right. The Niners still believe Lance can be a franchise quarterback, but the last thing they want to do is hand him the reigns before he is ready. They would then risk shaking the 22-year-old’s confidence. If they cannot find a trade partner for Garoppolo, it might make sense to have Lance hold a clipboard for another season.

A recent report made it seem like the 49ers are confident in Lance. We will believe that when we see it.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Is 57% completions horrible for a raw rookie QB?

 

[Mackeyser]

Is 57% completions horrible for a raw rookie QB?

In today's NFL with schemes that allow rookie QBs more than ever to get in to the mid 60s?

yes... yes it is... unless he's getting sacked like David Carr was in Houston.

I mean, Joe Burrow was running for his life the last two years and he had a 65.3% completion rate in 2020 and was at 70.4% in 2021

Being at 57% is just bad especially with the spread concepts and other recent innovations and iterations on offense just in the last 5 years (no coincidence, I think).