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LOL indeed those come around every couple of drafts don't they.
That's what I kept thinking listening to all the Clowney talk.
LOL indeed those come around every couple of drafts don't they.
Nah. There will always be some "once in a generation" defensive player someone will be butthurt about not getting.
That's what I kept thinking listening to all the Clowney talk.
LOL indeed those come around every couple of drafts don't they.
I agree. His pocket awareness has improved, and they seem to have instilled confidence in him. In 2011 it looked like his confidence was zapped out. I think a reason you see a higher success rate in our draft picks recently is because we have better coaches to develop them. We also have a GM that picks better talent as well. Demoff has said they pick high upside guys because they know our coaches can develop them. That's why we picked Robinson.Yes, I think they'd be quite different. I don't think it's so much Spags's approach as it was the dysfunctional environment, lack of player development and poor coaching.
If Bradford had Fisher, Schottenheimer, the other assistants, and a roster that likely would have been better developed (especially by now) around him. Yes, I think he'd have established himself as the franchise QB.
The thing that I've noticed in really watching Bradford since Fisher, Schotty, and co. took over is that his game has progressed to such a major degree. And it isn't just being comfortable in the scheme. His mechanics, pocket presence, and eye discipline have all greatly improved over time. I think that is in stark contrast to when Spags was here. He just didn't have people around him that developed talent effectively.
Plus, gotta believe that we'd have had Paul Boudreau instead of Steve Loney as an OL Coach which would have made a world of difference.
In conclusion, I think Sam would have been in 2012 where he was heading in 2013...a player cementing himself as a franchise QB...and I think he would have successfully done it.
I hope you are correct about Sam this year - it could be his breakout season.Lol true, I'm sure Bradford doesn't mind being the 50 million dollar man. I have always looked at his 2012-2013 season and thought "why aren't we okay with this statistically" even though he had some rough stretches. I think this is the year for Bradford and I have always been on the fence about him. Expecting a huge breakout and him to win my fantasy league for me lol
I think his career passer rating of 79.6 has more to do with it. He has not shined.I think the majority of the hate on Bradford stems from two things. His draft position and the expectations that come with it. Plus, that big contract. If he were to be drafted a year later and maybe late first round, I think things would be different. People wouldn't be looking at that contract as a reason why they can't get him the support he needs.
Wayne Hunter Quinn Ojinnakka Robert Turner Harvey Dahl and Barry Richardson was his line combination for a good stretch of games. His best receiver Danny Amendola missed a large chunk of games. I don't know what you would expect any QB to do under those circumstances.I hope you are correct about Sam this year - it could be his breakout season.
If you were okay with Sam's 2012 season statistically:
24th in the NFL in completion percentage at 59.5%
26th in the NFL in YPA at 6.7
21st in the NFL in QB rating at 82.6
15th in the NFL in yards passing at 3,702
Then I submit you have pretty low standards.
Of those I am least concerned about the passing yards - if he were to get that yardage this year but with a completion percentage over 62, a YPA in the mid 7's, and a QB rating over 90 I would be pleased!
I hope you are correct about Sam this year - it could be his breakout season.
If you were okay with Sam's 2012 season statistically:
24th in the NFL in completion percentage at 59.5%
26th in the NFL in YPA at 6.7
21st in the NFL in QB rating at 82.6
15th in the NFL in yards passing at 3,702
Then I submit you have pretty low standards.
Of those I am least concerned about the passing yards - if he were to get that yardage this year but with a completion percentage over 62, a YPA in the mid 7's, and a QB rating over 90 I would be pleased!
Quinn was the right pick. It still hurts that we could have had Quinn and Cobb. I hope Austin turns into a player similar to Cobb. He's like a smaller, faster, and more elusive Cobb.
Wayne Hunter Quinn Ojinnakka Robert Turner Harvey Dahl and Barry Richardson was his line combination for a good stretch of games. His best receiver Danny Amendola missed a large chunk of games. I don't know what you would expect any QB to do under those circumstances.
Great line combosI have a fun game, basically you select a number at random and then try and guess the starting OL for that game.
For example 7:
Rodger SaffoldLT
Jacob BellLG
Jason BrownC
Adam GoldbergRG
Jason SmithRT
or 36:
Wayne HunterLT
Quinn OjinnakaLG
Robert TurnerC
Harvey DahlRG
Barry RichardsonRT
Alright I'm depressed now.
Great line combos
Not many other teams in the league have people from their 2012 offensive line alive much less in the league at all.I like how each line has 1 guy still in the league.
I submit that stats are reliant on the supporting cast and team element. Thus, they are not truly individual and do not accurately sum up "play".
For example, Tom Brady in 2013 with lackluster weapons:
Completion% = 60.5%
YPA = 6.9
YPG = 271.4
TDPG = 1.6
INTPG = 0.7
QB Rating = 87.1
And Rob Gronkowski played 7 games, which is close to half the year. Without Gronk, Brady had:
Completion% = 57.6%
YPA = 6.2
YPG = 237.6
TDPG = 1.3
INTPG = 0.7
QB Rating = 80.3
With Gronk, Brady had:
Completion% = 64.1%
YPA = 7.8
YPG = 315
TDPG = 1.9
INTPG = 0.7
QB Rating = 95.8
It's astounding here the differences in the numbers with Gronk and without. So lets look at what Bradford was throwing to in 2012:
1. Chris Givens - Rookie
2. Brandon Gibson
3. Danny Amendola - Injured
4. Lance Kendricks
5. Austin Pettis
Lets look at Bradford's OL (number of games started):
LT: Rodger Saffold(10)/Wayne Hunter(4)/Joe Barksdale(2)
LG: Robert Turner(7)/Quinn Ojinnaka(5)/Shelley Smith(4)
C: Robert Turner(9)/Scott Wells(7)
RG: Harvey Dahl(14)/Shelley Smith(2)/Chris Williams(0)
RT: Barry Richardson(16)
Where did his running game rank, you may ask? 19th in yards, 15th in yards per carry and 29th in TDs.
I don't think any of us believe that Bradford is Tom Brady good. But look at the effect Brady's cast had on his numbers. Now look at Bradford's cast in 2012. You had one of the league's worst group of WRs, you had an OL filled with a bunch of JAGs and players out of the NFL except for Wells and Saffold who were both injured for good chunks of the year, and you had an average running game.
Where was his help? I think the fact that his numbers were actually somewhat solid speaks well of his play.
It is okay guys. We all understand the situation that Sam has been in.Wayne Hunter Quinn Ojinnakka Robert Turner Harvey Dahl and Barry Richardson was his line combination for a good stretch of games. His best receiver Danny Amendola missed a large chunk of games. I don't know what you would expect any QB to do under those circumstances.
Don't be so defensive. Sam will survive introspection.
I was responding to the comment (paraphrasing) "why aren't we happy with the year 2012 statistically?"....
I pointed out that the 2012 statistics were not good. I did not qualify them, nor did I blame anyone. I just pointed out that we should not be happy with them. I did not mean to cause an immediate rush to defend Sam.
Jeez - you guys have a hair trigger.
It is okay guys. We all understand the situation that Sam has been in.
That doesn't mean we can wish away reality.
I think this year Sam will break out.
It is not, however, fait accompli.