Which QB should the Rams draft next year and where?

[dieterbrock]

Edit - looking at this it looks like a sarcastic k but basically I am nodding my head and saying Okay- I can see that

I friggin love Shitts creek

 

[Tano]

I friggin love Shitts creek

It took me a bit to get into it.

Chris Elliot really annoys me.

 

[Merlin]

I have seen fans and some talking heads ask, "Why would McVay take Simpson when he gave up on a more talented QB like Goff?"

I don't think that is an accurate characterization on why he "gave up on Goff". I think he lost faith in Goff's desire to work at some of the basics of QB play, like blitz recognition and and how to counter that and other schemes that teams were throwing at him.

I don't think itvwas a talented issue. It was the realization that he was leveling off, and maybe regressing. Look at the Miami game that year. Also, the Jets game. Goff was making foolish mistakes and something had to change.

If a guy like Simpson is great on the mental aspects of the position, then his physical traits are enough for him to be very successful. Especially, when paired with McVay and Simpson's very good mental approach, running McVay's offense.

I agree Goff's issues were on the mental side. But I also think Simpson's inability to start until his senior season speaks to that side of things to some extent.

Also I think it matters how well Stafford played last season. He's in a year to year type deal at this point with the Rams, so if he has a down year he's gonna be done in horns. And that's good for him.

But for the Rams do you really want to waste a high pick on a QB when it could be argued that it's wiser to go all in with Stafford to win that second title. Just seems like when you total everything up, from the questions surrounding Simpson to the way Stafford's playing to the benefits of that pick translating into an impact player... It's unlikely at best.

 

[Memento]

Well, physical traits are important, but would you rather have had have Jamarcus Russell or Drew Brees? How about Anthony Richardson or Jalen Hurts? Or say Will Levis or Brock Purdy?

Just examples of physically gifted guys being outplayed by guys with less physical talent.

Simpson's arm is not comparable to Brees or even Purdy's. He has accuracy and touch, but a popgun arm; there's a reason why Alabama wanted him gone for their shiny new QB.

 

[RamFan503]

But for the Rams do you really want to waste a high pick on a QB when it could be argued that it's wiser to go all in with Stafford to win that second title. Just seems like when you total everything up, from the questions surrounding Simpson to the way Stafford's playing to the benefits of that

That’s where taking Payton in the third comes in. We use our top picks on CB and a shiny new toy and still potentially have your QB of the future waiting in the wings and learning behind one of the greatest to ever play the game.

 

[PhillyRam]

I agree Goff's issues were on the mental side. But I also think Simpson's inability to start until his senior season speaks to that side of things to some extent.

Also I think it matters how well Stafford played last season. He's in a year to year type deal at this point with the Rams, so if he has a down year he's gonna be done in horns. And that's good for him.

But for the Rams do you really want to waste a high pick on a QB when it could be argued that it's wiser to go all in with Stafford to win that second title. Just seems like when you total everything up, from the questions surrounding Simpson to the way Stafford's playing to the benefits of that pick translating into an impact player... It's unlikely at best.

Burrow didn't play a lot until his senior year so can't really say that means too much.

As far as drafting Simpson, sure I can see why you don't do it. I would accept it with the trust I have in McVay, but not saying they should.

I would love a Styles & Emanual McNeil Warren first rd haul, with CB addressed at 61 or 93 and a high end CB and mid CB added in FA.

 

[dieterbrock]

Simpson's arm is not comparable to Brees or even Purdy's. He has accuracy and touch, but a popgun arm; there's a reason why Alabama wanted him gone for their shiny new QB.

That is so completely false
Simpson arm is much stronger than Purdy.
Brees arm strength coming out of college maybe, but after his shoulder surgery he lost quite a bit. Just insane accuracy
Simpson has Goff arm strength

 

[Memphis Ram]

That’s where taking Payton in the third comes in. We use our top picks on CB and a shiny new toy and still potentially have your QB of the future waiting in the wings and learning behind one of the greatest to ever play the game.

Use a 3rd round selection on Payton only to probably replace him with a 1st rounder the following season.

Might as well use that 3rd rounder on another rare rookie that can make a significant difference in 2026.

If the 2026 Draft selections are going to be key for the 2026 season they need to trade them for veterans.

 

[Merlin]

That’s where taking Payton in the third comes in. We use our top picks on CB and a shiny new toy and still potentially have your QB of the future waiting in the wings and learning behind one of the greatest to ever play the game.

Yes Payton makes a ton of sense. Though I will say if you watch the full NDSU games (there aren't any cutups of Payton's games) you can see that he really struggles on obvious passing downs and distances. So he's a longshot for sure. Just a very talented longshot.

 

[Merlin]

I would love a Styles & Emanual McNeil Warren first rd haul, with CB addressed at 61 or 93 and a high end CB and mid CB added in FA.

I think Styles is going to be a stud in the NFL. He fills with aggression, has great instincts, can stack and shed, and goes sideline to sideline. So yeah if the Rams were to get him at 13 or even after a move up I think it's an ideal situation.

But if they do anything other than corner at 13 then they must go after Corner in that range. Even if it means positioning from 29 for Corner.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I have seen fans and some talking heads ask, "Why would McVay take Simpson when he gave up on a more talented QB like Goff?"

I don't think that is an accurate characterization on why he "gave up on Goff". I think he lost faith in Goff's desire to work at some of the basics of QB play, like blitz recognition and and how to counter that and other schemes that teams were throwing at him.

I don't think itvwas a talented issue. It was the realization that he was leveling off, and maybe regressing. Look at the Miami game that year. Also, the Jets game. Goff was making foolish mistakes and something had to change.

If a guy like Simpson is great on the mental aspects of the position, then his physical traits are enough for him to be very successful. Especially, when paired with McVay and Simpson's very good mental approach, running McVay's offense.

100% this but also think it shows where McVay has his weaknesses as Goff has developed many parts of his game in Detroit when he couldn't do it here. He's a far superior drop back passer now.

But this offense prior to Stafford wasn't as built for drop back/pure passing as much.

 

[OldSchool]

100% this but also think it shows where McVay has his weaknesses as Goff has developed many parts of his game in Detroit when he couldn't do it here. He's a far superior drop back passer now.

But this offense prior to Stafford wasn't as built for drop back passing as much.

Yup McVay did improve Goff but one could argue Ben Johnson improved him more.

 

[Merlin]

100% this but also think it shows where McVay has his weaknesses as Goff has developed many parts of his game in Detroit when he couldn't do it here. He's a far superior drop back passer now.

But this offense prior to Stafford wasn't as built for drop back/pure passing as much.

Goff is still Goff. The difference you are so impressed by is the better pass protection and threat of run game he has in Detroit.

 

[PhillyRam]

100% this but also think it shows where McVay has his weaknesses as Goff has developed many parts of his game in Detroit when he couldn't do it here. He's a far superior drop back passer now.

But this offense prior to Stafford wasn't as built for drop back/pure passing as much.

I think the trade woke Goff up. He needed that trade to mature. I think he took things for granted here after his first couple of years of success.

And sure, McVay probably learned a lot in how to handle that type of situation.

 

[Merlin]

Merlin, while that certainly has something to do with it I'm not confident you're seeing things accurately on the field or perhaps don't always know what you're seeing when it comes to certain aspects of the game.

And I think your vision is about as good as that of my late grandfather. But I deal with it and engage with you anyway.

 

[PhillyRam]

Goff is still Goff. The difference you are so impressed by is the better pass protection and threat of run game he has in Detroit.

True, but he did get better. I will admit that. Still needs those elements around him to support him, but he handles blitzes better and doesn't seem to get confused. If he has time he will light up any D.

Still, if you hit him a few times, he reverts back to shakey Goff. See the 2nd half of the Rams game this year. Turner lit him up on a 3rd quarter incomplete pass to Williams. Then he sacked him on the next play. Goff wasn't the same after that, and that was after having a great first half. It was like a switch was flipped.

 

[Merlin]

I think the trade woke Goff up. He needed that trade to mature. I think he took things for granted here after his first couple of years of success.

I suspect you are correct on this. It's just like it is with us. Have you ever fucked up at work then used that failure to feed a strong run back into top form. So yeah you probably hit this on the head, but of course we'll never know the details.

 

[Merlin]

Still, if you hit him a few times, he reverts back to shakey Goff.

Precisely correct. Hence why I am 100% correct when I say Goff is still Goff.

 

[PhillyRam]

Yes Payton makes a ton of sense. Though I will say if you watch the full NDSU games (there aren't any cutups of Payton's games) you can see that he really struggles on obvious passing downs and distances. So he's a longshot for sure. Just a very talented longshot.

Watch Lance's 25' highlight tape. Then you see all the big passes thrown to him by Payton. Of course you don't see Payton's negative issues on those plays.


View: https://youtu.be/i1alF7RH78M?si=WnL5d_8OQU2kkG-5

 

[PhillyRam]

Precisely correct. Hence why I am 100% correct when I say Goff is still Goff.

True, but a lot of QBs struggle when they get hit a lot.

I would say his highs are higher now and his lows are not as low as they used to be either. He has gotten better overall.