Where do you stand on QB Ty Simpson?

[fanotodd]

Rams trade #13 to the steelers so THEY can draft Simpson.
Rams get #21 and #53.

Rams pick WR Boston.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Burrow in two years is the ideal.

But hoping is not a plan.

We have to consider several obstacles to that happening. Do franchise QBs in the middle of their prime ever get traded? (Stafford was at the tail end of his prime.)

Even if he's traded, the chances of the Rams being the team to trade for him is like winning the lottery.

Overall, the odds that we can successfully trade for him are likely in the single digits.

So, what's the plan if the pie-in-the-sky dream doesn't materialize?

Draft a kid with Coachable traits and a good arm that you like a lot???

 

[Ram Ts]

That plan worked out pretty amazing for the Chargers with Brees and Rivers. Just think of that. You could argue they should have stuck with Brees!

I hope it’s is not them, for his sake and ours, but agree the Jets should do that!

I forgot about the Chargers with Brees/Rivers. They nailed both. Although didn’t Brees leave via free agency? An interesting ‘what if’ they resigned Brees and didn’t draft Rivers.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

What does it indicate about Joe Burrow's "compete level" that he sat for the same amount of time at Ohio State?

Martz's best QB, the guy who won multiple MVP awards, sat for four years in college.

And also, Martz' handpicked guy, vanilla, placid, Marc Bulger, who he replaced the ULTRA-Competetive Kurt Warner with, didn't exactly strike me as "MR. Competitive."

 

[Coliseum Ram]

I forgot about the Chargers with Brees/Rivers. They nailed both. Although didn’t Brees leave via free agency? An interesting ‘what if’ they resigned Brees and didn’t draft Rivers.

They Drafted Rivers while they STILL HAD Brees. They were teammates for 2 whole Seasons.

 

[Ram Ts]

They Drafted Rivers while they STILL HAD Brees.

Ummm yes, I’m aware. That’s the whole point. We were discussing drafting two QBs in multiple years - a solid guy (late first/ early 2nd) and then next year or two drafting a top 5–10 guy.

Maybe you did not read the words “what if” ?!?

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Ummm yes, I’m aware. That’s the whole point. We were discussing drafting two QBs in multiple years - a solid guy (late first/ early 2nd) and then next year or two drafting a top 5–10 guy.

Maybe you did not read the words “what if” ?!?

Okay, a little misleading. Brees and Rivers Drafted THREE years apart. All good.

 

[TheTackle]

Simpson is almost the anti bust if we take Zach Wilson as an example of a QB (who was drafted at no 2), at the same height and weight

I have complete faith in Simpson being a plus starter in this league. That’s his floor because he doesn’t have any of these faults. In fact, Wilson’s faults are his strengths!

“As with Manziel, too much of Wilson’s work comes off-schedule due to inconsistent anticipation and a desire to hit the big play. But like both Manziel (at Texas A&M) and Plummer, heâs mobile with the ability to extend plays and hit the chunk play. Wilsonâs sophomore year tape shows troubling decision-making, so NFL teams will need to balance his 2019 and 2020 production in the evaluation process. Heâs put in a lot of work to get to this point and has the potential to become a good pro. However, he might need to play with a more disciplined approach to reach his ceiling”

Zach Wilson Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

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[RamFan503]

Fair enough. It appears we disagree. I'll end with this: 40% may be a lower bar, but the 50% 1st round hit rate isn't much better.

Yeah. I get it. I'd just add that these guys make a much longer living off being wrong than any NFL scout or GM could ever dream of because most scouts and GMs are too boring or chaotic sounding for most people to want to listen to.

Cheers man.

 

[HitStick]

Burrow in two years is the ideal.

But hoping is not a plan.

We have to consider several obstacles to that happening. Do franchise QBs in the middle of their prime ever get traded? (Stafford was at the tail end of his prime.)

Even if he's traded, the chances of the Rams being the team to trade for him is like winning the lottery.

Overall, the odds that we can successfully trade for him are likely in the single digits.

So, what's the plan if the pie-in-the-sky dream doesn't materialize?

Debatable. He just won an MVP. Hes still in it!

Rams trade #13 to the steelers so THEY can draft Simpson.
Rams get #21 and #53.

Rams pick WR Boston.

I would extremely disappointed if we took Boston at 21.

 

[dieterbrock]

My final take is that Simpson goes to the Cards at pick #34 and I take back every nice thing I said about him. lol

 

[Tano]

Burrow in two years is the ideal.

But hoping is not a plan.

We have to consider several obstacles to that happening. Do franchise QBs in the middle of their prime ever get traded? (Stafford was at the tail end of his prime.)

Even if he's traded, the chances of the Rams being the team to trade for him is like winning the lottery.

Overall, the odds that we can successfully trade for him are likely in the single digits.

So, what's the plan if the pie-in-the-sky dream doesn't materialize?

We worry about it next year after we win the super bowl.

Lots of possible decent QBs coming out next year that are not injury prone. Choose one of them.

This year I want a superbowl and worry about QB next year.

 

[Merlin]

What does it indicate about Joe Burrow's "compete level" that he sat for the same amount of time at Ohio State?

Each QB is different. Simpson is not Burrow. I could go dig up rates of hitting on a QB that only played for one year but none of that matters really as it pertains to Simpson. It comes down to whether the team believes in the player as they are guessing just like we are, they just have better information and people whose jobs rely on success rate.

I prefer the QB type who sells his pool table because someone beat him on it. I think that's the mentality of player to look for in this process. But regardless these things must be considered. I am sure in the Rams evaluative approach there is in fact a give-a-fuck trait of some sort, called something or other, where that is included as part of the overall look at the player.

And lastly the teams are of course the ones who get to sit down and look these boys in the eye. We don't get to do that. So we're left with not much to go off of with regard to this stuff in particular. Which if anything to me makes indicators like this more important to consider. Not to say I would remove him for that alone as a high pick. But it's part of the overall picture certainly.

In the early going last season I said here on the board many positive things about this player. And I felt at that time that if he could finish out that small sample size with a bang he'd be in play for us in spite of the smallness of his frame etc. But as that college year ended it seemed obvious to me that he wasn't that player. What he is could be a starter. However I simply am not in a hurry to overdraft him.

 

[Flatlyner]

We worry about it next year after we win the super bowl.

Lots of possible decent QBs coming out next year that are not injury prone. Choose one of them.

This year I want a superbowl and worry about QB next year.

Tend to agree. It may cost us dearly but, if you get a young franchise QB is there really too much cost? I think there will be more franchise level QB's next year then teams needing a new franchise guy. There will also be absolute blue chip studs outside of the QB's that teams will be dying to grab (J.Smith, D.Stewart, Pierre, Coleman, L.Moore, etc). Next year is absolutely loaded as we sit here today.

 

[WestCoastRam]

(For example, I personally form my opinions by a complicated algorithm of watching *some* film, listening to a wide range of media experts, considering some analytics, reading board opinions, and rolling dice lol)

You like dice? I use cards...

... why do I keep getting this one when I ask about the Rams at 13?

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Tend to agree. It may cost us dearly but, if you get a young franchise QB is there really too much cost? I think there will be more franchise level QB's next year then teams needing a new franchise guy. There will also be absolute blue chip studs outside of the QB's that teams will be dying to grab (J.Smith, D.Stewart, Pierre, Coleman, L.Moore, etc). Next year is absolutely loaded as we sit here today.

Extremely unlikely we are going to be in play for even the top 3 quarterbacks of next year's draft. Having said that, Ty Simpson is right in there with quarterbacks 4, 5, and 6 of next year's draft. And remember last year Nussmeier, Allar, and Beck we're supposed to be part of this year's FIRST round, not day 3 where they are going. So a lot can change in a year and right now that second tier of quarterbacks next year is being way overhyped. Like I said earlier , I will put Simpson up against the Sellers, Mateer's and Sorsby's of the world.

 

[WestCoastRam]

That plan worked out pretty amazing for the Chargers with Brees and Rivers. Just think of that. You could argue they should have stuck with Brees!

I hope it’s is not them, for his sake and ours, but agree the Jets should do that!

If Brees doesn't hook up with Payton, he has a mediocre career in the NFL.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Debatable. He just won an MVP. Hes still in it!



I would extremely disappointed if we took Boston at 21.

Boston at 21 sounds great. Kinda where I'd slot him.

Ends up being a wonderful complimentary receiver for a long time. Never a blue chipper but really productive.

 

[jrry32]

Each QB is different. Simpson is not Burrow. I could go dig up rates of hitting on a QB that only played for one year but none of that matters really as it pertains to Simpson. It comes down to whether the team believes in the player as they are guessing just like we are, they just have better information and people whose jobs rely on success rate.

I prefer the QB type who sells his pool table because someone beat him on it. I think that's the mentality of player to look for in this process. But regardless these things must be considered. I am sure in the Rams evaluative approach there is in fact a give-a-fuck trait of some sort, called something or other, where that is included as part of the overall look at the player.

And lastly the teams are of course the ones who get to sit down and look these boys in the eye. We don't get to do that. So we're left with not much to go off of with regard to this stuff in particular. Which if anything to me makes indicators like this more important to consider. Not to say I would remove him for that alone as a high pick. But it's part of the overall picture certainly.

In the early going last season I said here on the board many positive things about this player. And I felt at that time that if he could finish out that small sample size with a bang he'd be in play for us in spite of the smallness of his frame etc. But as that college year ended it seemed obvious to me that he wasn't that player. What he is could be a starter. However I simply am not in a hurry to overdraft him.

Simpson isn't my top choice at #13 either, but I don't see any real validation for the critique that because he sat for three years and stuck with his team, he's not competitive. And yes, I know Simpson isn't Burrow, but Burrow also sat for three years. So that alone can't be the reason Simpson lacks competitiveness.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I can't wait for ARI to get Simpson and then for everyone to start shitting on him.

Though I hope he starts for them by the end of the year and shows middling success over the last 4 games so that they don't go after a QB next year.